[Discussion] Last 2 war potentials

[Pure Logic]

Ichigo's inner hollow took control, and part of his true powers merge out, because Ichigo lost, and was on the verge of dying, that's why his Hollow took over, because Orihime couldn't heal Ichigo, that's why she screamed, and Hollow Ichigo was like "Oh shit I better do something before we die" Also as I recall the first fight with Kenpachi, Old Man Zangestu stopped Ichigo from bleeding...

 

[chopstickchakra]

Just want to throw this out here.... Hollow's don't have hearts.... and as I recalled, Ichigo went full hollow. And hollow's have the ability to heal whatever.... and when he reverted back his hollow powers healed him. Don't let this confuse you with Arrancars... cause they lose the ability to heal besides Ulquiorra but he can only heal only a certain amount.

Ichigo was stabbed through his heart while in shinigami form but shinigami can still die and if they didn't have a heart they'd have no blood to spill. Either way he wasn't a Hollow when he was "killed" either time.

Old man Zangetsu was a Quincy so that has no bearing on your "hollows heal" case.

 

[chopstickchakra]

As I said I might be wrong but I don't think I am...

The attack itself might have hit him in the heart who knows Bleach has never really followed injuries like that being fatal I mean look at what happened in MITR Grand Fisher pierced Ichigo several times in the chest and he was able to survive that but that's my opinion and going on about this anymore is pointless since I'm not changing my opinion on that Ichigo wasn't dead and you don't seem the type that would change yours.

Anyway I wouldn't say Unohana was the one Orihime could on level with I think she could be better than Unohana but what about the one who actually taught Unohana herself does he not have the ability to be better than Orihime?

Unohana's teacher has never been mentioned(as far as I remember) so as far as we know he's not around anymore. Also Unohana died from a pierced heart in the Kenpachi fight.

I'd be open to changing my opinion when presented with evidence(like ichigo not breathing) but the only thing you have to say he wasn't dead is a translation and an opinion and the evidence shows he died twice fighting Ulquiorra.

 

[TheHokage]

Unohana's teacher has never been mentioned(as far as I remember) so as far as we know he's not around anymore. Also Unohana died from a pierced heart in the Kenpachi fight.

I'd be open to changing my opinion when presented with evidence(like ichigo not breathing) but the only thing you have to say he wasn't dead is a translation and an opinion and the evidence shows he died twice fighting Ulquiorra.

Well I could I suppose use this...

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If Ichigo had been dead his Zanpaktou would have brought him back before he died, it clearly states when Ichigo was in serious danger his Shinigami/Hollow powers would have saved him...however Orihime was able to heal him before he reached that stage if he had died then his Vasto Lorde form would have appeared not to mention again Grimmjow said 'heal' not 'revive' insinuating he was still alive.

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Here Kirinji states he taught Unohana her healing techniques since she was originally a Kenpachi he was her teacher.

 

[Pure Logic]

Ichigo was stabbed through his heart while in shinigami form but shinigami can still die and if they didn't have a heart they'd have no blood to spill. Either way he wasn't a Hollow when he was "killed" either time.

Old man Zangetsu was a Quincy so that has no bearing on your "hollows heal" case.

You've completely blown off my statement, Hollow's have the ability to heal limbs and organs, Ichigo was on the verge of dying, Orihime couldn't heal "reject that hole in his chest where his heart was" No Heart Beat = Dead, well that might of been true for a shinigami, but you forget Ichigo is part Hollow, and his Hollow side took over, and once his hollow was done, he healed his body.

 

[Pure Logic]

While I was reading the Wiki I did notice she could bring back the dead, but she couldn't heal Ichigo, this could be due to the hollow Ichigo taking over, and the hole in the chest didn't need healing to begin with cause you know... hollows....

 

[chopstickchakra]

While I was reading the Wiki I did notice she could bring back the dead, but she couldn't heal Ichigo, this could be due to the hollow Ichigo taking over, and the hole in the chest didn't need healing to begin with cause you know... hollows....

Maybe I think it was due to the difference between hers and Ulquiorra's reiatsu Ulq's being stronger than she could handle.

And I answered your last post but may have misunderstood, I thought you said he got injured as a hollow when you said they had no heart, but he was harmed as human"shinigami" body

 

[Pure Logic]

Maybe I think it was due to the difference between hers and Ulquiorra's reiatsu Ulq's being stronger than she could handle.

And I answered your last post but may have misunderstood, I thought you said he got injured as a hollow when you said they had no heart, but he was harmed as human"shinigami" body

What I meant was having a heart doesn't matter if your a hollow, so that didn't effect Hollow Ichigo talking over... if anything it helped him take over quicker.