[Discussion] Last 2 war potentials

[chopstickchakra]

You people seem to think war potential means solely, brute force or attack capability, well that's not all there is to war. Without top level tacticians and medics an army will only make it so far on brute strength, Which makes Uryu and Orihime top candidates.

 

[ziggyZ]

You people seem to think war potential means solely, brute force or attack capability, well that's not all there is to war. Without top level tacticians and medics an army will only make it so far on brute strength, Which makes Uryu and Orihime top candidates.

It appears you didn't even read the OP, 'cos if ya did, you'd realize that I pointed that out and said that's why Orihime & Urahara are two of the most possible candidates.

 

[TheHokage]

It was to my understanding that the 5 War Potentials that Juha first spoke of excluded Aizen.

The War Potentials are 5 people who will play a crucial role in the Quincy/Shinigami war. Aizen was asked to join them but he refused. Had he accepted he would have been the 6th. That's what I thought anyways because, personally, it doesn't make much sense to name Aizen one of the 5 originals if he's incarcerated. He can't do anything from where he's at, thus, he's currently not a threat.

Oh, I wasn't sure I assumed Aizen was a war potential because Juha was trying to recruit him, I wasn't sure but then saying he isn't a threat because he incarcerated is also wrong as well since he was able to confuse Juhabach even then.

Ulquoirra killed ichigo and she revived him so he could fight again. episode 164

He wasn't dead...he was close to death but he wasn't dead...Shinigami's can take a lot more damage than human bodies can so even an attack like that wouldn't kill him straight away. Orihime's power is to reject meaning she can reject an injury but when it comes to death she can't otherwise she would have been able to revive Ichigo after he had the cero blasted through his chest...the only thing that could save him then was his Zanpaktou.

You people seem to think war potential means solely, brute force or attack capability, well that's not all there is to war. Without top level tacticians and medics an army will only make it so far on brute strength, Which makes Uryu and Orihime top candidates.

Well considering the only war potentials that have been mentioned are purely because of their strength it's understandable why people would assume that.

Also when Ichigo, Orihime, Chad and Urahara went to HM it was reported only one war potential had entered...but then again after thinking this it also leads me to believe Urahara might not be one after all.

 

[Pure Logic]

Can any shinigami's be War Potentials besides Ichigo and Kenpachi? If you come to think about it, the Shinigami that have bankai can't use it, which makes them weaker. And if Urahara finds a way to counter it... then there would be a lot more I think. We have to think outside the box. There's still Grimmjow, he's a hollow, and he can eat/steal souls to power himself up.... since that's what hollows do...Also there's the fullbringers....Ginjō might in fact still have Ichigo's fullbringer powers... and lets not forget he has Bankai also and he's been training also. Also I just thought of something.... 5 War Potentials:
"Shinigami"- Kenpachi
"Qunicy"-Uyru
"Arrancar" - Grimmjow
"Fullbringer" - Ginjō
"Transcending Being" - Ichigo/Aizen

 

[chopstickchakra]

It appears you didn't even read the OP, 'cos if ya did, you'd realize that I pointed that out and said that's why Orihime & Urahara are two of the most possible candidates.

That wasn't meant for you it was meant for the ones who disagree and say Orihime CAN'T be a war potential. Stop being sensitive

He wasn't dead...he was close to death but he wasn't dead...Shinigami's can take a lot more damage than human bodies can so even an attack like that wouldn't kill him straight away. Orihime's power is to reject meaning she can reject an injury but when it comes to death she can't otherwise she would have been able to revive Ichigo after he had the cero blasted through his chest...the only thing that could save him then was his Zanpaktou.

He sure seemed dead from here with the whole not breathing thing and his eye color flattening(a standard manga tech to show loss of life)

Epi-sode 164 that I posted earlier at 16 minutes in when Nel is crying to Ichigo, He's dead.

 

[TheHokage]

That wasn't meant for you it was meant for the ones who disagree and say Orihime CAN'T be a war potential. Stop being sensitive



He sure seemed dead from here with the whole not breathing thing and his eye color flattening(a standard manga tech to show loss of life)

Epi-sode 164 that I posted earlier at 16 minutes in when Nel is crying to Ichigo, He's dead.

So why couldn't she revive him after he was shot through the chest?

Ichigo was on the brink of death, she rejected his wounds while he was barely alive, Orihime's power allows her to heal anyone as long as they have even the slightest bit of life.

If she had the power to revive the dead don't you think she'd be getting used a lot more for example Soul Society would have had her revive Yamamoto's Lieutenant and many others that had fallen.

Her powers have a limit, after all she's only human and to have her suddenly gain some major potential this far on in the series would feel rushed.

I get where you're coming from though Orihime's power has always been...debated personally I believe it is a fullbring but Kubo has never really confirmed what they are however other than healing and providing pretty weak shields there not that powerful nor do I see a potential where they could be powerful to make her that much of a threat.

 

[Pure Logic]

Ignored.... :T_T: ... Anyways what is Orihime? Fullbringer?

 

[TheHokage]

Ignored.... :T_T: ... Anyways what is Orihime? Fullbringer?

I think she is...I mean wasn't Chad's powers confirmed to be fullbring...Orihime got her powers the same the way so it leads me to believe she is.

Can any shinigami's be War Potentials besides Ichigo and Kenpachi? If you come to think about it, the Shinigami that have bankai can't use it, which makes them weaker. And if Urahara finds a way to counter it... then there would be a lot more I think. We have to think outside the box. There's still Grimmjow, he's a hollow, and he can eat/steal souls to power himself up.... since that's what hollows do...Also there's the fullbringers....Ginjō might in fact still have Ichigo's fullbringer powers... and lets not forget he has Bankai also and he's been training also. Also I just thought of something.... 5 War Potentials:
"Shinigami"- Kenpachi
"Qunicy"-Uyru
"Arrancar" - Grimmjow
"Fullbringer" - Ginjō
"Transcending Being" - Ichigo/Aizen

Sorry I didn't get back to this...

Anyway I think any Shinigami can be a war potential as long as they have the potential I mean of course the random fodders are not going to be war potentials but it's most likely the people who you know have the potential but just haven't shown it yet.

For example...Renji, Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, Rukia, etc...

With Grimmjow I feel like Kubo isn't teasing us at all...but he's hiding something I mean perhaps his appearance has changed quite dramatically. I like the idea of Grimmjow being a war potential as he was never caught by the Quincy army and I'd like to think he has a second release form by now which would be badass.

With Ginjo I'm not sure...I mean I never really liked his character in my opinion there was never anything that made him really stand out other than to help Ichigo gain his powers back...he will play a part in the arc but I don't think it's going to be that important.

I like the idea that one of each power is a war potential but I don't think Juhabach finds the fullbringers a threat at all. I do think Grimmjow and Uryu might be a potential...but in my own opinion I hope one of the war potentials is Rukia or Isshin, since we haven't seen much of Rukia's power when she actually tries but she actually has quite a bit of potential especially if she gained Bankai.

With Isshin, I think his Bankai will be incredible I mean it apparently strains his body to even use it so it must be powerful.

Also...before anyone replies remember I know Rukia and Isshin have barely any chance of being war potentials.

 

[Pure Logic]

Well, I actually agree with you on Rukia. Here's my reason why though. A war potential doesn't mean there badass, they could be a key pawn in the war. Also the relationship between Rukia and Ichigo could be used as a bargaining chip in further battles if she's captured, almost like when Aizen took Orihime. Rukia could be used to change the whole outcome of the war... but lets not forget that leaves, Orihime, Chad, Karin, Yuzu, and Isshin as potential hostages. Chad is bound to have a power up, Orihime might find more about her powers... I still feel its to early to tell what Bach's means about War Potentials. The only one that hasn't had any power ups lately is Rukia.... and her role in the manga has decrease so this might be a chance for Kubo to bring her back in.

 

[TheHokage]

Well, I actually agree with you on Rukia. Here's my reason why though. A war potential doesn't mean there badass, they could be a key pawn in the war. Also the relationship between Rukia and Ichigo could be used as a bargaining chip in further battles if she's captured, almost like when Aizen took Orihime. Rukia could be used to change the whole outcome of the war... but lets not forget that leaves, Orihime, Chad, Karin, Yuzu, and Isshin as potential hostages. Chad is bound to have a power up, Orihime might find more about her powers... I still feel its to early to tell what Bach's means about War Potentials. The only one that hasn't had any power ups lately is Rukia.... and her role in the manga has decrease so this might be a chance for Kubo to bring her back in.

Hmm...interesting I had forgot about Karin and Yuzu...out of the two of them I see Karin being the one who actually fights...I mean imagine if Yoruichi was Karin's teacher...she has the same blood as Ichigo, she might not have the same potential as Ichigo but she has a lot more potential than normal Shinigami's...

With Rukia I've never understood why Kubo has pretty much moved her to the sidelines after Ichigo lost his powers it makes no sense at all...she's like in the top 5 in almost every favorite Bleach character poll, it was the same with the Fullbring arc the ratings only went up when Rukia returned...I really do hope Kubo plans to use her efficiently instead of constantly sidelining her in favor of other and lets face it boring characters...Chad and Orihime come to mind here. I mean I don't mind their characters but usually there only there to watch Ichigo fight and act like cheerleaders it's not so bad for Orihime as that's all she's really done anyway but for Chad it feels a little disappointing.

Anyway back to Rukia...her potential has always been there in my opinion anyway I mean she was able to beat an espada without a Bankai and her Ice abilities are actually quite useful...I really do hope we get to see the main Heroine's Bankai.

 

[Pure Logic]

Well, that might happen, Rukia is up with the Royal Guard, and she could of been left behind and healed just fine without the royal treatment, so why waste this chance and not train and find out about bankai... because I feel the next 2 Royal Guards might be the one that first found Bankai. Just saying, the Monk/Viking looking guy looks like the one that would mediate and talk to his Zanpakutō, to understand it better.

 

[TheHokage]

Well, that might happen, Rukia is up with the Royal Guard, and she could of been left behind and healed just fine without the royal treatment, so why waste this chance and not train and find out about bankai... because I feel the next 2 Royal Guards might be the one that first found Bankai. Just saying, the Monk/Viking looking guy looks like the one that would mediate and talk to his Zanpakutō, to understand it better.

I hope that to...it would be better if both Ichigo and Rukia had to re-learn Bankai together alone well Ichigo would be re-learning Bankai Rukia would just be learning it. (Then again that's just my IchiRuki side talking)

I mean Ichigo has a new Zanpaktou and I wonder if he'll be able to use Bankai straight away again or will he have to go through some trial where his Hollow/Shinigami/Quincy powers want him to go through as I think Tensa Zangetsu so far has only been a portion of his true Bankai.

With Rukia...her Bankai definitively will have something to do with Ice powers no doubt about that but I wonder what she will look like...perhaps she'll wear the same attire as Sode No Shirayuki (You know the full white attire) and it would go with matching attire's for Ichigo...and bring Kubo's poem to life. (Black Sun and White Moon)

 

[chopstickchakra]

So why couldn't she revive him after he was shot through the chest?

Ichigo was on the brink of death, she rejected his wounds while he was barely alive, Orihime's power allows her to heal anyone as long as they have even the slightest bit of life.

If she had the power to revive the dead don't you think she'd be getting used a lot more for example Soul Society would have had her revive Yamamoto's Lieutenant and many others that had fallen.

Her powers have a limit, after all she's only human and to have her suddenly gain some major potential this far on in the series would feel rushed.

I get where you're coming from though Orihime's power has always been...debated personally I believe it is a fullbring but Kubo has never really confirmed what they are however other than healing and providing pretty weak shields there not that powerful nor do I see a potential where they could be powerful to make her that much of a threat.

at bold: She isn't there to revive them she was and is still in Hueco Mundo. They didn't know they'd get invaded or that any let alone that many would have died. Also some characters need to die to advance plot or for emotional responses from other characters, the main character however will never die.

As far as her powers, according to the manga according to Aizen, her powers along with Chads are a result of the Hogyoku responding to them by way of Ichigo. And she has the power to reject phenomena by denying or undoing events in various forms, meaning if she chooses to deny or not accept someones death she could bring them back. Her skill Sōten Kisshun created an arm for Grimmjow out of nothing. And she can revive the dead check Bleach manga; Chapter 274, page 12 or 14 depending on the site and art pre-story on the site, But she revives L.oly(or one of those two jealous girls that gave her a hard time)

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Weak Shields? You mean the shield that stood up to the Sweeper at it's weakest and an attack from Ulquiorra at it's current best? Seems like a fairly reliable shield to me.

Also Chad's power was stated to be like that of a Hollow when they invaded Hueco Mundo and he showed an arm blast similar to a cero.

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Notice how his shield at "true" power looks like a face or hollow mask. Also Fullbringer's use a Hollow type Reiatsu

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As for whether he was dead or not I guess that's up to the manga, as I said his eyes flatten, he was stabbed in the heart(you can tell by the wound location), and he hasn't moved or breathed(his chest hasn't expanded and contracted) for 2 episodes, his body is completely limp when Grimmjow kicks him. Also you'll notice when she heals him here she says" This spiritual pressure around his wound...I can't reject it...Who did this" yet Ichigo revives and the shine returns to his eyes.

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I thinki the reason the Hollow "needed" to save Ichigo the second time was A) plot development B) Ulquiorra's ressurection Reiatsu was stronger than his generic reiatsu which was already hard for Orihime to reject, thus making the second wound twice as difficult.

 

[Pure Logic]

Her Bankai, would be Ice, and I think she would resemble a Ice Queen/Princess, also her bankai might be bulky... Something I notice, isn't all the bankai's suppose to be bulky? Old Man Yamamoto's wasn't.... on topic now, I don't know if she'll achieve Bankai, but I think with Byakuya... since he had his Bankai stolen, they might reforge a new blade for him. I think Renji and Ichigo Tag Team will go first, and then the 2nd wave of Rukia and Byakuya Tag Team.

 

[TheHokage]

at bold: She isn't there to revive them she was and is still in Hueco Mundo. They didn't know they'd get invaded or that any let alone that many would have died. Also some characters need to die to advance plot or for emotional responses from other characters, the main character however will never die.

As far as her powers, according to the manga according to Aizen, her powers along with Chads are a result of the Hogyoku responding to them by way of Ichigo. And she has the power to reject phenomena by denying or undoing events in various forms, meaning if she chooses to deny or not accept someones death she couldbring them back. Her skill Sōten Kisshun created an arm for Grimmjow out of nothing. And she can revive the dead check Bleach manga; Chapter 274, page 12

Also Chad's power was stated to be like that of a Hollow when they invaded Hueco Mundo and he showed an arm blast similar to a cero. Weak Shields? You mean the shield that stood up to the Sweeper at it's weakest and an attack from Ulquiorra at it's current best? Seems like a fairly reliable shield to me.

As for whether he was dead or not I guess that's up to the manga, as I said his eyes flatten, he was stabbed in the heart(you can tell by the wound location), and he hasn't moved or breathed(his chest hasn't expanded and contracted) for 2 episodes, his body is completely limp when Grimmjow kicks him. Also you'll notice when she heals him here she says" This spiritual pressure around his wound...I can't reject it...Who did this" yet Ichigo revives and the shine returns to his eyes.

I'm not saying you're wrong it's purely my take on the manga for all I know you could be right...I'd have no problem with that other than it would seem a bit rushed to make Orihime this super war potential when in my opinion it could be used on so many other characters...

My take on Orihime's powers are that she can reject anything other than death...it makes sense it's an OP ability but at the same time not to OP and it makes her potentially the best healer in Bleach...but with Aizen's words you don't know how much truth they hold as the number one rule for me when it comes to Aizen is everything he says is either a lie or there's more to what he's saying.

With Ichigo being dead...you're right you can't really tell but his eyes flattening don't necessarily mean he died (close to death but not quite) Also the wound was more central in the chest so it's uncertain whether or not it actually hit his heart.

Now onto Grimmjow's arm the thing is Grimmjow was actually alive when lost his arm so I think that's why she was able to bring it back.

Also in your updated post notice how Grimmjow say's healed and not revive or bring back alive...healed is normally used in an expression of someone who is not dead.

 

[TheHokage]

Her Bankai, would be Ice, and I think she would resemble a Ice Queen/Princess, also her bankai might be bulky... Something I notice, isn't all the bankai's suppose to be bulky? Old Man Yamamoto's wasn't.... on topic now, I don't know if she'll achieve Bankai, but I think with Byakuya... since he had his Bankai stolen, they might reforge a new blade for him. I think Renji and Ichigo Tag Team will go first, and then the 2nd wave of Rukia and Byakuya Tag Team.

Bulky?...maybe I can't imagine that though...as not all Bankai's are necessarily bulky Byakuya's wasn't, Toshiro's wasn't, Kensei's isn't and there is probably countless others who have not got bulky Bankai's and personally I don't see Rukia with a bulky Bankai.

Also I don't think Byakuya will get another Bankai unless there is some real good explanation I mean wouldn't they want all the captain's who lost their Bankai's to get a new one for the time to fight the Quincies...

With the you're next point I don't really want to see Ichigo with Renji again...it was good seeing them together but it got boring real fast like every time they arrived at a new platform it was the same thing over and over again. I wouldn't mind Ichigo meeting up with both Byakuya and Rukia...since it would be a good time to have Ichigo and Byakuya talk since the last time they saw each other Byakuya was nearly dead also it would be a good place to reveal Ichigo's Shiba heritage to them since the Shiba family where nobles I can imagine Byakuya would know a bit about them.

 

[Pure Logic]

Well my statement was drawn upon Byakuya's statement earlier in the manga, when Ichigo and Him fought, and he commented on Ichigo's Bankai being so condensed. I hope Rukia's Bankai "If she ever gets bankai" is condensed also. Also Byakuya revealing some information to him about his family legacy would be interesting, I hope he find's a cool relic, or something that might help him, and help him decide his side in the war... "I have this feeling Bach is going to say something shocking about SS past that would make Ichigo think again" and Ichigo goes and thinks about it, and makes his choice. Also I don't think Rukia and Byakuya will go on with the other Royal Guards, and I'm not sure Renji will go on for much longer... and the only one that will meet the Soul King will be Ichigo.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm not saying you're wrong it's purely my take on the manga for all I know you could be right...I'd have no problem with that other than it would seem a bit rushed to make Orihime this super war potential when in my opinion it could be used on so many other characters...

My take on Orihime's powers are that she can reject anything other than death...it makes sense it's an OP ability but at the same time not to OP and it makes her potentially the best healer in Bleach...but with Aizen's words you don't know how much truth they hold as the number one rule for me when it comes to Aizen is everything he says is either a lie or there's more to what he's saying.

With Ichigo being dead...you're right you can't really tell but his eyes flattening don't necessarily mean he died (close to death but not quite) Also the wound was more central in the chest so it's uncertain whether or not it actually hit his heart.

Now onto Grimmjow's arm the thing is Grimmjow was actually alive when lost his arm so I think that's why she was able to bring it back.

Also in your updated post notice how Grimmjow say's healed and not revive or bring back alive...healed is normally used in an expression of someone who is not dead.

If you saw my updated post then you should have seen where she REVIVED a decimated L.oly or Melony(can't remember which)

As to his wound that's where a human heart is located it's not actually under your right breast like the pledge of allegiance, it's more centered in the body.

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The only person who could have been a better healer than Orihime was Unohana and she's dead now.

 

[Pure Logic]

Just want to throw this out here.... Hollow's don't have hearts.... and as I recalled, Ichigo went full hollow. And hollow's have the ability to heal whatever.... and when he reverted back his hollow powers healed him. Don't let this confuse you with Arrancars... cause they lose the ability to heal besides Ulquiorra but he can only heal only a certain amount.

 

[TheHokage]

If you saw my updated post then you should have seen where she REVIVED a decimated L.oly or Melony(can't remember which)

As to his wound that's where a human heart is located it's not actually under your right breast like the pledge of allegiance, it's more centered in the body.

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The only person who could have been a better healer than Orihime was Unohana and she's dead now.

As I said I might be wrong but I don't think I am...

The attack itself might have hit him in the heart who knows Bleach has never really followed injuries like that being fatal I mean look at what happened in MITR Grand Fisher pierced Ichigo several times in the chest and he was able to survive that but that's my opinion and going on about this anymore is pointless since I'm not changing my opinion on that Ichigo wasn't dead and you don't seem the type that would change yours.

Anyway I wouldn't say Unohana was the one Orihime could on level with I think she could be better than Unohana but what about the one who actually taught Unohana herself does he not have the ability to be better than Orihime?