Zabuza vs Kitsuchi

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza

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Kitsuchi

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Location: Where Darui fought the G and S Brothers because there's a large body of water there for Zabuza and a large area of earth for Kitsuchi. It's an even battlefield.


Knowledge: Manga


Who wins?

I think Zabuza takes this high diff, this is why:

Of course Zabuza is going to start off with the Hidden Mist Jutsu. Kitsuchi, to avoid the mist, is going to use Moving Earth Core to raise the terrain to go above the mist.

Zabuza, hearing this, will use Water Dragon Jutsu to strike Kitsuchi. Kitsuchi knowing Doton>Suiton, will use Rock Shelter to block the dragon.

While Kitsuchi is distracted by the dragon, Zabuza can send up a Water Clone. The Water Clone, shown when against Kakashi, will silently appear behind Kitsuchi. Kitsuchi will probably be able to avoid the clone with little injury despite him not having sensing abilities, because it's only a clone.

Kitsuchi, after jumping away from the clone, will use Rock Fist to match Zabuza's Kubikiribocho. He will charge at the clone and overpower it with his strength because a clone only has 1/10 of the user's strength.

Once he destroys the clone, he will realize it's not the real Zabuza and fall for the clone feint. Zabuza will then appear behind him and swing his sword at Kitsuchi. Kitsuchi will duck to avoid it (that is if he can, he doesn't have a 3 tomoe Sharingan like Kakashi did to enhance his reflexes). That will give Zabuza the opening to kick him off the terrain. Zabuza has the strength for this, as he showed to kick Kakashi a far distance into a lake. Not only that, but he has a 4/5 for Strength according to the data book, matching Kakuzu, who is very strong.

Kitsuchi, kicked off the terrain would then land in the mist. Within the mist, he will not be able to read Zabuza's movements.

Since Zabuza will be right on him and not at a far pretty far starting distance, Kitsuchi won't have the time to use Moving Earth Core again. Which is why Silent Killing takes this for Zabuza.


Some of you may disagree due to the fact that Doton>Suiton; however, it's not over EVERY Suiton. Zabuza's offensive Suiton, Water Dragon Jutsu and Giant Vortex Jutsu will have no effect due to Kitsuchi's Doton shields. But, his Doton can't guard Hidden Mist Jutsu and Silent Killing. It can't decipher Water Clones from the original and it won't allow him to escape Water Prison Jutsu if caught.

Some of you may argue that once on top of the raised terrain, he could just use Earth Sandwich. This is not the case -

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Earth Sandwich takes a significantly amount of prep time to perform. While he's up on the raised terrain, he's not going to have all that time to prepare to use the technique. Zabuza is an assassin, he strikes fast.

Not only that, but even if Kitsuchi had the time to use the technique, he wouldn't know what direction to use it in because he doesn't know where Zabuza is. True, the technique covers a HUGE area; however, it doesn't cover the WHOLE ENTIRE battlefield.

As shown against the Juubi, it only covers a large area IN FRONT of Kitsuchi. Zabuza moves behind his opponent, chances are, the tech will miss. But Kitsuchi wouldn't even have time to use it anyways.

Plus Zabuza's CQC is better than Kitsuchi's.


That's why I give this to Zabuza high diff.

Thoughts?

 

[The Necromancer]

Earth Sandwhich doesn't have much prep time, as seen when tobi attacked. You're clearly biased as anyone can create a scenario where either person wins. Zabuza is not a strong opponent.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

I think Zabuza takes this high diff

No surprise there Lol

And just like Necromancer said Earth Sandwhich doesn't take alot of time and anyone can create a scenario where either ninja wins.

 

[The Necromancer]

Plus you've already asked about this pairing before. Multiple times if i'm not mistaken.

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Earth Sandwhich doesn't have much prep time, as seen when tobi attacked. You're clearly biased as anyone can create a scenario where either person wins. Zabuza is not a strong opponent.

What a silly comment ^_^
He is highly underestimated because he lost to kakashi.
Keep in mind that Kakashi was a Konoha elite, one of the best.
Perhaps if he had more screen time he could have shown more techs.
He has a 4/5 in almost everything in the databook. (Not in Intelligence and Genjutsu.)
I'm not saying he is the best.
But he should be held in higher regard.
Though, with all these OP people around I can see why someone would come to that conclusion.

OT: Yeah, high difficulty. 6/10 times.

 

[The Necromancer]

What a silly comment ^_^
He is highly underestimated because he lost to kakashi.
Keep in mind that Kakashi was a Konoha elite, one of the best.
Perhaps if he had more screen time he could have shown more techs.
He has a 4/5 in almost everything in the databook. (Not in Intelligence and Genjutsu.)
I'm not saying he is the best.
But he should be held in higher regard.
Though, with all these OP people around I can see why someone would come to that conclusion.

OT: Yeah, high difficulty. 6/10 times.

I would be more impressed if kishi had shown his higher prowess in part 2. But seeing as how he came back in part 2 with the same exact power as in part 1 even with the power scaling difference, i have no reason to believe he's nearly as strong as he seemed in part 1. Honestly, i believe most of the K11 beats him now.

 

[Thoth]

Earth > Water, aka Kitsuchi wins with medium difficulty.

 

[EZQ]

Ma friend.. i want you to know that i support you iln zabuza vs darui and others. but i think kitsuchi beats zabuza higj diff

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Earth Sandwhich doesn't have much prep time, as seen when tobi attacked. You're clearly biased as anyone can create a scenario where either person wins. Zabuza is not a strong opponent.

Actually, the prep time when he used it against Obito was shown off screen. This was proved when his prep time was showed against the Juubi.

Not only that, but I already countered in my argument on how even if he can use the technique, it wouldn't even matter. Please read through all of my arguments for you won't make yourself look like an idiot.

You saying Zabuza isn't a strong opponent further proves that you are one of the fellow members on here that greatly underrate Zabuza. It's clear he is, indeed, a strong opponent.

How about you stop wasting my time and actually counter my arguments.

No surprise there Lol

And just like Necromancer said Earth Sandwhich doesn't take alot of time and anyone can create a scenario where either ninja wins.

Already countered if he could use the Earth Sandwich in my argument.

How about you stop ******** and actually give me a debate here.

What a silly comment ^_^
He is highly underestimated because he lost to kakashi.
Keep in mind that Kakashi was a Konoha elite, one of the best.
Perhaps if he had more screen time he could have shown more techs.
He has a 4/5 in almost everything in the databook. (Not in Intelligence and Genjutsu.)
I'm not saying he is the best.
But he should be held in higher regard.
Though, with all these OP people around I can see why someone would come to that conclusion.

OT: Yeah, high difficulty. 6/10 times.

Agreed.

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

I would be more impressed if kishi had shown his higher prowess in part 2. But seeing as how he came back in part 2 with the same exact power as in part 1 even with the power scaling difference, i have no reason to believe he's nearly as strong as he seemed in part 1. Honestly, i believe most of the K11 beats him now.

It's not fair to say that about him when he came back.
He was being controlled so he only used the same techs because those are all that Kabuto knew of.
K11? Like who?
Besides the obvious like Naruto and maybe Lee with gates. Although, Lee has NOTHING against the mist.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Earth > Water, aka Kitsuchi wins with medium difficulty.

Already countered this argument in my thread.

Ma friend.. i want you to know that i support you iln zabuza vs darui and others. but i think kitsuchi beats zabuza higj diff

Explain

 

[Lamb]

If Kitsuchi manages to get a good distance he can easily finish the fight with sandwich mountain. Zabusa's chances are to get in close as possible and use sneak attack with mist because Sandwich mountain is not an option in a close quarter battle. He has to force Kitsuchi in a CQC, where his only weapon is Rock fist. Even then, Kitsuchi seems to be proficient in CQC, being able to knock down a pseudo jink.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

If Kitsuchi manages to get a good distance he can easily finish the fight with sandwich mountain. Zabusa's chances are to get in close as possible and use sneak attack with mist because Sandwich mountain is not an option in a close quarter battle. He has to force Kitsuchi in a CQC, where his only weapon is Rock fist. Even then, Kitsuchi seems to be proficient in CQC, being able to knock down a pseudo jink.

But I already countered the Earth Sandwich argument! Haha I wish someone would just give me 1 good argument

 

[Lamb]

If he can manage to take sandwich mountain out of the equation, then it will be a really good matchup.

 

[Liath]

just because you say you already countered the sando no jutsu doesnt mean that you are necessarily correct...there's no way zabuza escapes the two walls of kitsuchi's mountain jutsu, it was much larger than the juubi, which dwarfed the entire shinobi alliance. hiding in his mist wont save him from that. btw your entire post was filled with assumptions, not proof.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

just because you say you already countered the sando no jutsu doesnt mean that you are necessarily correct...there's no way zabuza escapes the two walls of kitsuchi's mountain jutsu, it was much larger than the juubi, which dwarfed the entire shinobi alliance. hiding in his mist wont save him from that. btw your entire post was filled with assumptions, not proof.

You're assuming Kitsuchi would have the time to use the Sandwich tech and you're assuming if he did use it Zabuza would get caught in it and you're assuming that there's no chance Zabuza would be behind Kitsuchi when using it.

Ignorant

 

[Liath]

You're assuming Kitsuchi would have the time to use the Sandwich tech and you're assuming if he did use it Zabuza would get caught in it and you're assuming that there's no chance Zabuza would be behind Kitsuchi when using it.

Ignorant

i'm not assuming he would have time because the jutsu activates very quickly, as shown when used against the juubi, the only drawback about it is that it takes a lot of chakra. however zabuza would definitely be hit, because of the sheer size of the jutsu, and how quickly the trap snaps on the target. why would kitsuchi even use the mountain jutsu if zabuza was not in front of him?

 

[ShaneEyyy]

i'm not assuming he would have time because the jutsu activates very quickly, as shown when used against the juubi, the only drawback about it is that it takes a lot of chakra. however zabuza would definitely be hit, because of the sheer size of the jutsu, and how quickly the trap snaps on the target. why would kitsuchi even use the mountain jutsu if zabuza was not in front of him?

I will change your mind about this:

What r u talking about saying it activated quickly? Go look at the description again and look at the last scan. Kitsuchi SAID HIMSELF HE NEEDS PREP TIME TO MOLD ENOUGH CHAKRA TO USE IT. That's manga fact right there.

Also, that's the thing, Kitsuchi won't know if Zabuza is in front of him or not because you're forgetting Zabuza is still covered by the mist.


Dude can u take into consideration what im saying? im not saying Kitsuchi has no chance but I see Zabuza winning 6/10

 

[Liath]

I will change your mind about this:

What r u talking about saying it activated quickly? Go look at the description again and look at the last scan. Kitsuchi SAID HIMSELF HE NEEDS PREP TIME TO MOLD ENOUGH CHAKRA TO USE IT. That's manga fact right there.

Also, that's the thing, Kitsuchi won't know if Zabuza is in front of him or not because you're forgetting Zabuza is still covered by the mist.


Dude can u take into consideration what im saying? im not saying Kitsuchi has no chance but I see Zabuza winning 6/10

the only reason he needed prep time to mold chakra against the juubi was because he had used up all his chakra in fighting at the beach warzone, against the gedo mazo, and then against the juubi, all in one day. when he used the mountain jutsu against the gedo mazo, it required little to no prep time.

 

[Gakido]

Kitsuchi knows a few random Earth Style and one good one. This essentially comes down to how effective Kitsuchi can use said jutsu. Having said that, Zabuza should take it do to him being a more fleshed out.