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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
Go view Deidara vs Gaara. When exactly did Early Part 2 Gaara go into a rage, and attack blindly? Exactly, never. He was more in control of Shukaku in Early Part 2.
NewKageism
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It does not really mean he controled Shukaku Gaara. Just more his rage because Naruto wooped him into making him believe he had friends. People stop trying to make attempts on his life from his own village. He never had a strong locking seal like Naruto or a friendship like Bee had with his tail beast. He was in control with the fight with Deidra, but thats because he had a village to think about and he was way less selfish and being about himself than.
I never take place in top 10 because it can get tricky in top 10 in power scales and overall levels. But I could give you a list of 12 that can beast him if you want.
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
I never claimed he had rage issues in part two, but after the fights w/o Shukaku he seemed to be more strategic. At that point I think he depended more on the 1-tails automatic defense, which IMO was his downfall against Deidara. Other than that, there are no obvious advantages that the Shukaku provided for Garra, so i see Current Garra>=Shukaku Garra. Either one is still in my top 15 and possibly 10, as he poses a threat to most 7-10 shinobi.
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
If he was in control because he was thinking of his village/friends/family then that is control, it's surpression.
You contradict yourself here: "He was in control with the fight with Deidara, but that's because he had a village to think about, and he was way less selfish, and being about himself than". But you first said: "It does not really mean he controlled Shukaku Gaara".
If he was in control because he was thinking of his village/friends/family then that is control, it's surpression.
Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
So my opinion still stands Early Part 2 Shukaku Gaara > Current Gaara.
But Gaara did have rage issues in Part 1 lol, in which was overcome in Early Part 2 due to Bijuu suppression/control. Also his automatic sand isn't because of Shukaku it's due to his mother Karura's love. And his dependency on his automatic sand defense wasn't his downfall, you're giving little credit to Deidara here, he is a genius in his own, a microscopic C1/C2 within a container (Gaara's sand in which he was concealing himself) would do loads of damage in which it did; ultimately allowing Deidara to capture Gaara.
So my opinion still stands Early Part 2 Shukaku Gaara > Current Gaara.
xxSasukEkUnxX
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
Shukaku gaara has more chakra and stamina, sure, sure..
Does shukaku gaara have gold dust? Or the incredible feats gaara has shown in the war like being able to fight against very high tier kages? If shukaku gaara was even close to top 15, Deidara would have been taken out easily.
Not even current gaara can fight multiple bijuu, despite the feats he has shown in the war. Shukaku gaara nor War Gaara is top 10. "Effortlessly makes it into top 10" - Fanboy Statement. The only valuable things gaara loses from shukaku is shukaku shield which can tank CS2 attacks, big deal, and stamina and some chakra reserves (Because shukaku is an excuse of a bijuu, the thing is jounin level it just has tons of chakra)
Shukaku gaara has more chakra and stamina, sure, sure..
Does shukaku gaara have gold dust? Or the incredible feats gaara has shown in the war like being able to fight against very high tier kages? If shukaku gaara was even close to top 15, Deidara would have been taken out easily.
Not even current gaara can fight multiple bijuu, despite the feats he has shown in the war. Shukaku gaara nor War Gaara is top 10. "Effortlessly makes it into top 10" - Fanboy Statement. The only valuable things gaara loses from shukaku is shukaku shield which can tank CS2 attacks, big deal, and stamina and some chakra reserves (Because shukaku is an excuse of a bijuu, the thing is jounin level it just has tons of chakra)
Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
You're insulting Deidara's intelligence, not many ninja can see microscopic nano bombs unless they have Byakugan/Sharingan.
And no it wasn't a fanboy statement, Shukaku Gaara > EMS Sasuke, Shukaku Gaara > MS Itachi, etc. If you want to try and prove me wrong deeming me a fanboy by all means go for it. But I assure you, you will not win.
Let's get something straight, Gaara does not possess Gold Dust, he had kept a speck in which he used against the Mizukage, it isn't his ability, he doesn't have it end of discussion.
You're insulting Deidara's intelligence, not many ninja can see microscopic nano bombs unless they have Byakugan/Sharingan.
And no it wasn't a fanboy statement, Shukaku Gaara > EMS Sasuke, Shukaku Gaara > MS Itachi, etc. If you want to try and prove me wrong deeming me a fanboy by all means go for it. But I assure you, you will not win.
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
Suppression? Nope. He got whooped by Naruto that was his suppression knowing he wasn't the killer he thought he was. Before he thought if it was for survival he will kill anyone and everyone. Examples sneaking into Lee when he was messed up and trying to kill him. But after he realized he could not beat everyone he sat back and rethought about life.
Suppression? Is automatic defense his doing or the tail beast. That right there tells you Shukaku does what Shukaku wants and he still has no control over it.
How did that really contradicted myself? Don't play word jumble with me first of all. Being in control of one self is being control of like I said 1 ( 1 being single) self. Shukaku is Shukaku a tail beast. He thinks and has his own opinions about who he should or should not kill.
Suppression? Nope. He got whooped by Naruto that was his suppression knowing he wasn't the killer he thought he was. Before he thought if it was for survival he will kill anyone and everyone. Examples sneaking into Lee when he was messed up and trying to kill him. But after he realized he could not beat everyone he sat back and rethought about life.
Suppression? Is automatic defense his doing or the tail beast. That right there tells you Shukaku does what Shukaku wants and he still has no control over it.
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After losing Shukaku, Garra never carelessly covered himself completely with sand and if he did, he seprated his enhanced sand from that disposable sand.
sorry I meant part 2, but he didnt always have rage issues in part 1. The fight against Kimimmaro is an example of that. No, initially his automatic defenses were credited to the Shukaku, his mothers love and how this related to his defense wasnt finalized until later. Actually, I give Deidara a lot of credit, I'm a fan of both and they both deserve top spots. However, I also know the Deidara received prior information about Garra's abilities through Sasori.
After losing Shukaku, Garra never carelessly covered himself completely with sand and if he did, he seprated his enhanced sand from that disposable sand.
Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
And I wasn't fumbling your words, they were in the end yours.
Shukaku is a crazed beast in which wants to kill everyone, and everything.. Why do you think Gaara had so many urges in Part 1? Due to his blood quenching thirst (Shukaku's). Gaara was not a big thinker in Part 1, but what you've listed in your middle argument was an obvious act of suppression. Gaara if not have suppressed the Ichibi would have killed the majority within that room, possibly all of the victims within the room.
And I wasn't fumbling your words, they were in the end yours.
Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
Garra fought multiple susnno clones made Madara, arguably just as durable and powerful. We've seen few chracters "fight" bjuui, it's more like defending for their lives.
Garra does not possess Gold Dust, he simply kept traces of it from his fight. Presumably for "just in case matters." Deidara wasn't a good match-up for Garra, especially when having yo defend his village and when someone is aware of your abilities and you are not. However, with this being said, Deidara is NO pushover and could defeat some of the strongest characers in the series, so this is no discredit to Garra.
Garra fought multiple susnno clones made Madara, arguably just as durable and powerful. We've seen few chracters "fight" bjuui, it's more like defending for their lives.
xxSasukEkUnxX
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I don't wanna get into the gold dust debate but let me point out some things.
1. Shukaku doesn't have the relationship with Gaara to break him out of tsukuyomi or any genjutsu Itachi would input onto him. Sure, he can tank his attacks, but what in the literal hell does either gaara have to pierce Yata Mirror, let alone phase it?
2. Shukaku gaara over EMS sasuke, eh? Can shukaku shield tank Kirin? More or so, what does he have against powerful combo attacks with Aoda? It'd just be him sitting there with his ultimate defense, there wouldn't be much to do. Not even yata mirror, what in the world does shukaku gaara have that can get over Susano'o? Incomplete one arm MS Sasuke Susano'o tanked one of gaara's most powerful attacks WITH other attacks with no physical damage.
Kid, shukaku gaara is barely top 25. Quite double guessing yourself. I don't mind gaara fans as I like the character, but "effortlessly into top 10" is one of the most laughable fanboyish statements I have seen not just on here, but in the entire debating community of naruto.
Current naruto is high up in the top 10 Shockwave'd and deflected bijuu 1-7 and overcame all of their TBB's. How can you even put any form of gaara in the same list as that?
And the fighting several susano'o clones is just adding on to my claim that War Gaara > Summit Gaara =/= shukaku gaara
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amarusboobs
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
I would say Gaara is not top 15, if you include others like Elder son, Younger Son... Other mythic/legends and others. But current, sure.
NewKageism
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
Gaara transform when he get frustrated? He did not have time to get frustrated in the fight with Deindra because he was not thinking of himself on a one vs one basic in his life threaten more of his people, but at the end he was coming for Gaara not the people and that was just a front for Gaara to waste needless energy to defend them. Why would Gaara feel threaten off two people where he is in his domain around a bunch of sand where he could use that for his advantage. He knew nothing of these guys strength but he knew in a 1vs1 battle it was him or Naurto life and Shukaku was activated out of frustration.
How in fact would Gaara control the beast when he had no friendship or real connections in talking with the beast like bee and Naruto did. In fact Naruto had to go into training to even get to where he is now.
Yes. They were mines ,but before your eyes they turned into something different.
Gaara transform when he get frustrated? He did not have time to get frustrated in the fight with Deindra because he was not thinking of himself on a one vs one basic in his life threaten more of his people, but at the end he was coming for Gaara not the people and that was just a front for Gaara to waste needless energy to defend them. Why would Gaara feel threaten off two people where he is in his domain around a bunch of sand where he could use that for his advantage. He knew nothing of these guys strength but he knew in a 1vs1 battle it was him or Naurto life and Shukaku was activated out of frustration.
How in fact would Gaara control the beast when he had no friendship or real connections in talking with the beast like bee and Naruto did. In fact Naruto had to go into training to even get to where he is now.
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xxSasukEkUnxX
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Re: Are Neji and Gaara top 20 ?
Nah, I already won anyways. Infact, I won the single second you tried to argue that Shukaku Gaara can even TOUCH ems sasuke and MS Itachi. I could've honestly made a 1,000 word paragraph putting gaara against people that have showed up in many plausible top 10 lists and how he gets utterly destroyed no diff by them, but that'd be too cruel.
obviously you have nothing to argue if you are referring to Naruto (top 5) who possesses the strongest jinki and plot shield. Not many shinobi could have done that! Does this except Garra from top 10 (nearly top 10)?? Could Sasuke have done this? could Kabuto?? Hell even Kakashi wast able to use Kamui.
That was a horrible example.
how about you present you list of 12 like you stated earlier. I am curious to see this
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