Kishi didn't return Hiruzen to his prime bc he would be stronger than madara and hash

[Space Cowboy]

You don't understand lol you haven't even seen or read prime hiruzen in battle yet you say kakashi can beat him. Hirzen is kage level and not some myth lie he guys you're obsessed with. You're pathetic.

Yep,bro, whatever you say

 

[Sageof7Path]

... I quit. You defeat me

Well dude it was a short response but an obvious one. You didn't really analyze anything you just listed things not how you thought they would happen but tried to execute false statements to the point where hashirama looks stronger. In all honesty there's actual proof in the manga and the anime that Hiruzen out classes both Hashi and his brother at the same time and not false speculation.

 

[Trollasaur]

..Exactly what did you educate me on again? How to make yourself look like a dipsh*t? Cause yeah, i guess you schooled me up there. I know im being a d*ck and all but this is ridiculous. To your last point, AGAIN:

1. Whats your point? Wood dragon easily maneuvers around Enma. Flower tree world also wrecks no difficulty

2. How exactly is he going to get anywhere near Hashirama? You seem to be forgetting that Hiruzen needs to grab onto him and pray he can maintain that grip long enough for the jutsu to take affect. So somehow hes getting past a man who can create literal forests at will? Get real

3. We know they were weakened enough where we didnt see 4 of Hashi's most powerful jutsu. Pretty big difference if you ask anybody capable of cognitive function

4. Great, he can have all the knowledge in the world, doesnt mean he has the means necessary to defeat them

5. And then it was retconned. Kishi clearly f*cked Hiruzen over with this, but he is the "god of shinobi" no longer

6. But it was not going to beat the Kyuubi or defend the village from TBBs like Minato did

7. There you go. Again

You said that Hiruzen wasn't a God of SHinobi thats it

1.Enma can literally become any size he wants I believe he would go head first with the wood dragon, and he could potetially break it like he did with Hashis regular wood

2.reaper death seal could catch Hashi it's a possiblity, the enma cage for example even though that might be a reach

3.There wasn't even ****ing room to do the budda or other of his massive techs, fact is Hiruzen solo'd 2 damn edo's and orchimaru with there personalites removed making them killing machines, and we don't know how weakend they are, and Hiruzen had massive handicaps.

4.He has all knowledge about all jutsu and kenkai genkai he proably knows ways to counter anything Wood style related

5.Kishi isn't going to contridict himself, at least I don't see it happening

6.Dude if Enma were to fight the Kyubi in the leaf village where people ****ing live that would cause many deaths, I don't see why Enma didn't follow the Kyubi though lol

7.NOPE.FLV

 

[Migualon J.J.]

When he referred to Hashirama as it instead

he referred to SO6P as to God of Shinobi, than to Hashirama, so you think that SO6P isn't God of Shinobi as well?

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[Sageof7Path]

What I never said Hashirama was using a lesser wood release that just sounds stupid. I'm not trolling you posers will fiend over anyone you think is sage level or some myth master legend what ever the heck you people call them. It's obvious that the lot of you are in denial and cant except that Hiruzen beat them in his old age and could wreck them both in his young age.

 

[Space Cowboy]

You said that Hiruzen wasn't a God of SHinobi thats it

1.Enma can literally become any size he wants I believe he would go head first with the wood dragon, and he could potetially break it like he did with Hashis regular wood

2.reaper death seal could catch Hashi it's a possiblity, the enma cage for example even though that might be a reach

3.There wasn't even ****ing room to do the budda or other of his massive techs, fact is Hiruzen solo'd 2 damn edo's and orchimaru with there personalites removed making them killing machines, and we don't know how weakend they are, and Hiruzen had massive handicaps.

4.He has all knowledge about all jutsu and kenkai genkai he proably knows ways to counter anything Wood style related

5.Kishi isn't going to contridict himself, at least I don't see it happening

6.Dude if Enma were to fight the Kyubi in the leaf village where people ****ing live that would cause many deaths, I don't see why Enma didn't follow the Kyubi though lol

7.NOPE.FLV

Im off NB for 3 weeks and this is the shit i come back to. I give in. Rational thought and you clearly do not mix. This is not worth the time. See ya

 

[Space Cowboy]

he referred to SO6P as to God of Shinobi, than to Hashirama, so you think that SO6P isn't God of Shinobi as well?

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Except he called Hashirama the God of shinobi when Hiruzen was right there also..? If you think this thread is onto something, go ahead and say it. No ones stopping you

 

[Trollasaur]

Im off NB for 3 weeks and this is the shit i come back to. I give in. Rational thought and you clearly do not mix. This is not worth the time. See ya

I don't see whats so irrational, you just can't deal with the fact that Hiruzen (prime) could possibly>Hashirama.

 

[Sageof7Path]

No voice nothing just a ban wagoner.

 

[Sageof7Path]

I don't see whats so irrational, you just can't deal with the fact that Hiruzen (prime) could possibly>Hashirama.

Exactly he's in total denial.

 

[Space Cowboy]

I don't see whats so irrational, you just can't deal with the fact that Hiruzen (prime) could possibly>Hashirama.

Yep dude, i just cant deal. Has nothing to do with the fact that im not autistic or anything

 

[Sageof7Path]

I still don't see any proof of Hashirama being able to own Hiruzen.

 

[Trollasaur]

Yep dude, i just cant deal. Has nothing to do with the fact that im not autistic or anything

It's withing the realm of possiblity that Hiruzen>Hashirama

Deal with it. Stop getting so worked up over a damn manga btw

 

[Space Cowboy]

It's withing the realm of possiblity that Hiruzen>Hashirama

Deal with it. Stop getting so worked up over a damn manga btw

It really isnt. Not in the mood to deal with mass amounts of stupidity either

 

[Trollasaur]

It really isnt. Not in the mood to deal with mass amounts of stupidity either

It is, deal with it, the only stupid one here is you. You can't deal with the fact that a fictonal character Hiruzen could possibly be on the same level as another fictonal character Hashirama. And you don't even state reasons why I'm irrational and stupid on my posts.

Cowboy bebop is the worst piece of shit anime/manga btw.

 

[Sageof7Path]

It really isnt. Not in the mood to deal with mass amounts of stupidity either

Stupidity coming from the guy who believes Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen without question. You're lame now you just got owned in a thread by the guy with the obito picture and now you're just rambling on. You couldn't disprove anything he said just go away this argument is over all you did was repeat your self.

 

[Space Cowboy]

It is, deal with it, the only stupid one here is you. You can't deal with the fact that a fictonal character Hiruzen could possibly be on the same level as another fictonal character Hashirama. And you don't even state reasons why I'm irrational and stupid on my posts.

Cowboy bebop is the worst piece of shit anime/manga btw.

No, i can deal with it if its true. What i cant deal with are pretentious douches repeatedly stating ******* and thinking themselves geniuses for it. Anyone who read your post could see why me pointing it out was incredibly unnecessary, but **** it, ive got some steam to blow and nothing to do so lets go ******. Im sure regardless of the fact that i will point out every flaw in the posts you make it wont deter you a bit, but i dont really care at this point. I dont care if you think CB is shitty, everyone has their own preferences.

1. Here we go. For a third time. All Enma's staff can do is grow LONGER. It extends, thats it. Not really the ideal weapon for a target (wood dragon) that is capable of lateral movement, which happened to be fast enough to keep up with a Bijuu Naruto, who is currently the fastest character in the manga save Minato. Useless point, the staff can do nothing to help him here. Then, again, no counter for Flower tree world whatsoever. As soon as he breathes hes going to sleep. That simple

2. Could reaper death seal catch Hashirama technically? Yes. Would that ever actually happen? Of course not. There is feasible way that He is managing to get past the forests that Hashirama can create, as well as wood dragons capable of keeping up with BM Naruto. Not a chance in the world

3. He made a forest in there still though, didnt he? Save Shinsenju, FTW, wood dragon, and sage mode all would have been able to have been utilized in that tight space.. Yet he didnt use them..? Hmm.. Shows a bit how weakened he was, yes? They were stated numerous times to not be at full strength. This is a commonly accepted fact. Youre only rebuttal for this is, "we dont know how weakened they were" Good luck winning any sort of debate with that logic

4. Ridiculous assumption. Nothing more. Never was it stated he has an effective counter to every single jutsu.. Especially not the strongest KKG in the entire manga

5. He already did..? read the manga bud

6. Whats he going to do with the Kyuubi? Push it to the end of the world? Dont forget he was f*cked when it was getting ready to unleash a TBB, but Minato saved them all. He could not handle that thing like Minato could

 

[Trollasaur]

No, i can deal with it if its true. What i cant deal with are pretentious douches repeatedly stating bullsh*t and thinking themselves geniuses for it. Anyone who read your post could see why me pointing it out was incredibly unnecessary, but f*ck it, ive got some steam to blow and nothing to do so lets go dipsh*t. Im sure regardless of the fact that i will point out every flaw in the posts you make it wont deter you a bit, but i dont really care at this point. I dont care if you think CB is shitty, everyone has their own preferences.

1. Here we go. For a third time. All Enma's staff can do is grow LONGER. It extends, thats it. Not really the ideal weapon for a target (wood dragon) that is capable of lateral movement, which happened to be fast enough to keep up with a Bijuu Naruto, who is currently the fastest character in the manga save Minato. Useless point, the staff can do nothing to help him here. Then, again, no counter for Flower tree world whatsoever. As soon as he breathes hes going to sleep. That simple

2. Could reaper death seal catch Hashirama technically? Yes. Would that ever actually happen? Of course not. There is feasible way that He is managing to get past the forests that Hashirama can create, as well as wood dragons capable of keeping up with BM Naruto. Not a chance in the world

3. He made a forest in there still though, didnt he? Save Shinsenju, FTW, wood dragon, and sage mode all would have been able to have been utilized in that tight space.. Yet he didnt use them..? Hmm.. Shows a bit how weakened he was, yes? They were stated numerous times to not be at full strength. This is a commonly accepted fact. Youre only rebuttal for this is, "we dont know how weakened they were" Good luck winning any sort of debate with that logic

4. Ridiculous assumption. Nothing more. Never was it stated he has an effective counter to every single jutsu.. Especially not the strongest KKG in the entire manga

5. He already did..? read the manga bud

6. Whats he going to do with the Kyuubi? Push it to the end of the world? Dont forget he was f*cked when it was getting ready to unleash a TBB, but Minato saved them all. He could not handle that thing like Minato could

LOL You mad over manga

1.Enma is a staff and a ****ing monkey king as a staff he can change his size/length as a actual ****ing monkey he can do the same, Hiruzen spent the majorty of his ****ing life as a kage and he studied jutsu/kenkai genkai the whole time he was the kage. He surely would of picked up on some counters, but thats just an asumption. Also Obitos genjutsu is the best in Naruto.

2.You theres a chance of catching Hashirama deal with it

3.The ****ing Budda would make the floor fall apart more than likely and that shit is bigger than the barrier. But yes he proably couldn't even do those techs. He still beat moderatley strong Hashirama and Tobirama by the looks of it, and they were both ****ing edo killing machines.

4.IDK how that's a ridiculous assumption since the majorty of his life was being kage and while being kage he studied all of kohans jutsu and learned all non kenkai kohana ninjutsu.

5.Kishi hasn't contridcted himself YET

6.Minato was at the right place at the right time, no way in hell hiruzen could get to the place he's at, un less he had a FTG marker laid out. And it's a possiblity Hiruzen knows FTG, and Enma could of scarafised himself to save the village. Although his FTG might not be as good as Minatos. I doubt Hiruzen has it though but it's possible.

 

[Space Cowboy]

LOL You mad over manga

1.Enma is a staff and a ****ing monkey king as a staff he can change his size/length as a actual ****ing monkey he can do the same, Hiruzen spent the majorty of his ****ing life as a kage and he studied jutsu/kenkai genkai the whole time he was the kage. He surely would of picked up on some counters, but thats just an asumption. Also Obitos genjutsu is the best in Naruto.

2.You theres a chance of catching Hashirama deal with it

3.The ****ing Budda would make the floor fall apart more than likely and that shit is bigger than the barrier. But yes he proably couldn't even do those techs. He still beat moderatley strong Hashirama and Tobirama by the looks of it, and they were both ****ing edo killing machines.

4.IDK how that's a ridiculous assumption since the majorty of his life was being kage and while being kage he studied all of kohans jutsu and learned all non kenkai kohana ninjutsu.

5.Kishi hasn't contridcted himself YET

6.Minato was at the wrong place at the right time, no way in hell hiruzen could get to the place he's at, un less he had a FTG marker laid out. And it's a possiblity Hiruzen knows FTG, and Enma could of scarafised himself to save the village. Although it might not be as good as Minatos

Mad when i came on, its translated a bit strongly, hasnt it? Anyways, to the point, this is a joke post.

1.Go ahead and look at the wiki for the Enma staff. Its ability is its EXTENDABILITY. You have no proof he can increase his size as a monkey either. Its sad how much of your posts are consisted of complete assumptions and what-if scenarios. "Picked up on some counters"? Really? The only person capable of countering him was Madara, and you can be damn sure Hiruzen doesnt have anywhere near the abilities as he does. So no, mokuton is as legendary as it is for a reason. Since when did Obito's genjutsu become a part of our discussion.. Irrelevant

2. Yeah, and theres a chance of konahamaru killing the Rikudo sennin with a kunai too.

3. They used shit compared to the jutsu theyve been using lately, (Hashirama at least) so no, they beat weak-ass edo zombies. The technique was far from perfected, as Kabuto later said. Once again, all you do is assume

4. Studied all of Konoha's jutsu yet all he could do was make some damn tile shuriken. Why spend any time studying how to defeat a jutsu that was your dead sensei's and his only? No one else had mokuton at the time. Even then, knowing about a jutsu and being able to defeat it are very different things

5. He referred to Hashirama as the god of shinobi right in Hiruzen's face. If thats not a contradiction i dont know what is.

6. I dont even understand your last post, but once again, you manage to assume that Hiruzen knows FTG. Get out dude. You lost, get over it

 

[BestGamer]

lol edo hiruzen is basically prime hiruzen with lower chakra levels & less physical strength...

no hes weaker