Kishi didn't return Hiruzen to his prime bc he would be stronger than madara and hash

[Sageof7Path]

Weakened zombies. You clearly know this

Two weakend hokage level zombies vs a 70 year old hokage hmmmmm clearly the handicap is still in hiruzens neck of the woods. If Hashiramas power was as mythological as everyone says he would have been able to beat hiruzen as a weakened zombie with only 20 percent of his power if needed. I mean you people give Hiruzen no chance yet deny the fact that he beat the 1st and his brother even though they where decades younger and practically couldn't be killed!

 

[Space Cowboy]

Well lets see.
-Can counter Hashis wood style his signature tech
-IF he wanted to end Hashirama he would reaper death seal, it would end his life though.
-Beat 2 Edo killing machines with massive handicaps, and sealed Orchimaru his intent. As a 68 year old man
-Knows all of the leaf villages jutsu, and more than likley knows about it's kenkai genkai
-God of Shinobi
-Kept the village safe when he was the hokage.
-Other shit I'm forgetting.

1. Can counter Hashi's wood with Enma? Are you f*cking kidding? Against a weakened edo zombie? Yes. Agaisnt a PRIME Hashirama who can pull wood dragons and thousand hands statue out of his ass? As well as flower tree world? Not a chance.

2. He needs to somehow manage to run up and hold on to Hashirama for dear life in order for that to happen. Needless to say, with Hashi's mokuton, this is insanely improbable.

3. Two WEAKENED edos. Him catching all of them after bringer of darkness with clones was ridiculous bullsh*t.

4. Arguing with you is almost pointless as you somehow think Hiruzen has access to kekkei genkai. Do you not know how that works? You need the genetics in order to use them..

5. Bullsh*t title that was taken from him and given to HASHIRAMA

6. Minato kicks the Kyuubi's ass, not Hiruzen

7. Youre an idiot

 

[Space Cowboy]

why should he get banned?

Clearly trolling.. It likely wont stop here

 

[Ababeel]

while it's true that prime Hiruzen IS stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama, but I don't think he's stronger than them
to the point that he'd wipe the floor with them. :O

 

[-Sky-]

Forgetting the fact that Hashirama didn't use Sage Mode or Thousand Hand Buddha when he fought Hiruzen as an edo.

Face it, Kishi wanted Hiruzen to be the strongest Hokage in Part One, but decided it'd be better to stick with Hashirama and Minato.

That's why those two are the only Hokage getting hyped + Panel time

 

[Space Cowboy]

Two weakend hokage level zombies vs a 70 year old hokage hmmmmm clearly the handicap is still in hiruzens neck of the woods. If Hashiramas power was as mythological as everyone says he would have been able to beat hiruzen as a weakened zombie with only 20 percent of his power if needed. I mean you people give Hiruzen no chance yet deny the fact that he beat the 1st and his brother even though they where decades younger and practically couldn't be killed!

Weakened edo zombies that did not display a fraction of their actual strength. At least in respect to Hashirama. Not too mention the completely different power scales. I cant believe i got pulled into such a ridiculous thread. You think he can beat Madara for f*ck's sake

 

[Trollasaur]

1. Can counter Hashi's wood with Enma? Are you f*cking kidding? Against a weakened edo zombie? Yes. Agaisnt a PRIME Hashirama who can pull wood dragons and thousand hands statue out of his ass? As well as flower tree world? Not a chance.

2. He needs to somehow manage to run up and hold on to Hashirama for dear life in order for that to happen. Needless to say, with Hashi's mokuton, this is insanely improbable.

3. Two WEAKENED edos. Him catching all of them after bringer of darkness with clones was ridiculous bullsh*t.

4. Arguing with you is almost pointless as you somehow think Hiruzen has access to kekkei genkai. Do you not know how that works? You need the genetics in order to use them..

5. Bullsh*t title that was taken from him and given to HASHIRAMA

6. Minato kicks the Kyuubi's ass, not Hiruzen

7. Youre an idiot

1.He can counter the wood style he showed and wood dragon and the woodstyle he showed are different techs

2.Hiruzen ends hashirama with that move

3.We don't know how weakend they were, he still managed to beat them great feat

4.I meant he has knowledge of the kenkai genkai

5.Hiruzen was refered to God of Shinobi first

6.Enma can easily push out the kyubi

7.Nope.FLV

-Whats the counter to the rest?

 

[Space Cowboy]

1.He can counter the wood style he showed and wood dragon and the woodstyle he showed are different techs

2.Hiruzen ends hashirama with that move

3.We don't know how weakend they were, he still managed to beat them great feat

4.I meant he has knowledge of the kenkai genkai

5.Hiruzen was refered to God of Shinobi first

6.Enma can easily push out the kyubi

7.Nope.FLV

-Whats the counter to the rest?

You literally restated your exact argument that i refuted. Get out of here

 

[Trollasaur]

You literally restated your exact argument that i refuted. Get out of here

I countred all of it. I also educated you in some areas. The only thing that was restated was the part about reaper death seal. I also clarified in some of my points.

 

[N1nken]

I dont dislike his character, its just the people who are still in denial about his complete lack of feats that irks me. When he shows something impressive, then ill give him the credit that is due. Till then he is nothing

Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely understand. I'm attempting to remain neutral; I suppose I'm on the opposite side of your spectrum, however. I'm just waiting to see something emerge from his overwhelming hype, but I'm being optimistic. I support seeing something impressive from him. After all, delusional people will always remain delusional, but I personally find bashers to be more irritating than wankers. At this point in time, however, Kishi's turning him into a Sakura. Even if he does show something impressive, a majority probably won't give him credit, instead finding ways to underrate him.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely understand. I'm attempting to remain neutral; I suppose I'm on the opposite side of your spectrum, however. I'm just waiting to see something emerge from his overwhelming hype, but I'm being optimistic. I support seeing something impressive from him. After all, delusional people will always remain delusional, but I personally find bashers to be more irritating than wankers. At this point in time, however, Kishi's turning him into a Sakura. Even if he does show something impressive, a majority probably won't give him credit, instead finding ways to underrate him.

i have to completely agree with you U_U

 

[Space Cowboy]

I countred all of it. I also educated you in some areas. The only thing that was restated was the part about reaper death seal. I also clarified in some of my points.

..Exactly what did you educate me on again? How to make yourself look like a dipsh*t? Cause yeah, i guess you schooled me up there. I know im being a d*ck and all but this is ridiculous. To your last point, AGAIN:

1. Whats your point? Wood dragon easily maneuvers around Enma. Flower tree world also wrecks no difficulty

2. How exactly is he going to get anywhere near Hashirama? You seem to be forgetting that Hiruzen needs to grab onto him and pray he can maintain that grip long enough for the jutsu to take affect. So somehow hes getting past a man who can create literal forests at will? Get real

3. We know they were weakened enough where we didnt see 4 of Hashi's most powerful jutsu. Pretty big difference if you ask anybody capable of cognitive function

4. Great, he can have all the knowledge in the world, doesnt mean he has the means necessary to defeat them

5. And then it was retconned. Kishi clearly f*cked Hiruzen over with this, but he is the "god of shinobi" no longer

6. But it was not going to beat the Kyuubi or defend the village from TBBs like Minato did

7. There you go. Again

 

[Space Cowboy]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely understand. I'm attempting to remain neutral; I suppose I'm on the opposite side of your spectrum, however. I'm just waiting to see something emerge from his overwhelming hype, but I'm being optimistic. I support seeing something impressive from him. After all, delusional people will always remain delusional, but I personally find bashers to be more irritating than wankers. At this point in time, however, Kishi's turning him into a Sakura. Even if he does show something impressive, a majority probably won't give him credit, instead finding ways to underrate him.

I get what youre saying. Ive been seeing people claim this stuff with hiruzen forever but if you really analyze his skills even Kakashi should be able to beat him yet here he is being compared to Hashi and Madara.. Its ridiculous

 

[Sageof7Path]

..Exactly what did you educate me on again? How to make yourself look like a dipsh*t? Cause yeah, i guess you schooled me up there. I know im being a d*ck and all but this is ridiculous. To your last point, AGAIN:

1. Whats your point? Wood dragon easily maneuvers around Enma. Flower tree world also wrecks no difficulty

2. How exactly is he going to get anywhere near Hashirama? You seem to be forgetting that Hiruzen needs to grab onto him and pray he can maintain that grip long enough for the jutsu to take affect. So somehow hes getting past a man who can create literal forests at will? Get real

3. We know they were weakened enough where we didnt see 4 of Hashi's most powerful jutsu. Pretty big difference if you ask anybody capable of cognitive function

4. Great, he can have all the knowledge in the world, doesnt mean he has the means necessary to defeat them

5. And then it was retconned. Kishi clearly f*cked Hiruzen over with this, but he is the "god of shinobi" no longer

6. But it was not going to beat the Kyuubi or defend the village from TBBs like Minato did

7. There you go. Again

Flowers and tree wrecks DUDE lol he defeated hashirama while hashirama was using wood release.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Flowers and tree wrecks DUDE lol he defeated hashirama while hashirama was using wood release.

... I quit. You defeat me

 

[Sageof7Path]

You don't understand lol you haven't even seen or read prime hiruzen in battle yet you say kakashi can beat him. Hirzen is kage level and not some myth lie he guys you're obsessed with. You're pathetic.

 

[TobisPawn]

Very funny. :|

 

[Migualon J.J.]

..Exactly what did you educate me on again? How to make yourself look like a dipsh*t? Cause yeah, i guess you schooled me up there. I know im being a d*ck and all but this is ridiculous. To your last point, AGAIN:

1. Whats your point? Wood dragon easily maneuvers around Enma. Flower tree world also wrecks no difficulty

2. How exactly is he going to get anywhere near Hashirama? You seem to be forgetting that Hiruzen needs to grab onto him and pray he can maintain that grip long enough for the jutsu to take affect. So somehow hes getting past a man who can create literal forests at will? Get real

3. We know they were weakened enough where we didnt see 4 of Hashi's most powerful jutsu. Pretty big difference if you ask anybody capable of cognitive function

4. Great, he can have all the knowledge in the world, doesnt mean he has the means necessary to defeat them

5. And then it was retconned. Kishi clearly f*cked Hiruzen over with this, but he is the "god of shinobi" no longer

6. But it was not going to beat the Kyuubi or defend the village from TBBs like Minato did

7. There you go. Again

where did Kishi state that Hiruzen is no longer God of Shinobi?

 

[Space Cowboy]

where did Kishi state that Hiruzen is no longer God of Shinobi?

When he referred to Hashirama as it instead

 

[sagemode07]

Flowers and tree wrecks DUDE lol he defeated hashirama while hashirama was using wood release.

I think I have said this, and you came up with some lame excuse I can't quite remember, HE WAS USING A MUCH LESSER WOOD RELEASE.

Go home troll you are hopelessly outdone.