Could Itachi/Kakashi learn Hiraishin?

[GrayParadise]

O' almighty banana, please enlighten us on how Kakashi is faster than Itachi.

I look forward to you completely avoiding their fight in part 1, Itachi's speed feats, and any logic. So please, arise from my very low expectations.

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Don't be so vexed just yet Lol This guy is new.

Wow. Grow up. I really don't like the way you went about it, you sound like a real smartass. 'This guy is new', pft, whatever. The time you spend on the base doesn't determine your debating skills and how knowledgeable you are in the series.

Anyway, Kakashi can access Gates. Itachi can't even keep up with the first Gate, therefore Kakashi > Itachi in speed.

 

[Smd]

could you stfu?=D

nither needs it.:|

 

[GrayParadise]

LMFAO. this is you're last chance! I already got turnt up on bogard earlier.

If you reply to this post IM GETTING TURNT UP

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I dare you to turn up with me.

 

[Crow Zero]

*get popcorn *

 

[Fodder#4]

I'm not going to lie, the first time I ever encountered and saw Prince Charles say "Don't get me turnt up." I misread it for, "Don't get me turnt on."

OT: Again, yes. But Minato's a specialist in this type of S/t jutsu. He'd most likely be superior to them.

 

[Icelerate]

The first to come to my mind were the two ANBU geniuses.

Indeed, Yamato FTW.

 

[Prince Charles]

almost done with my post.

 

[Prince Charles]

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I dare you to turn up with me.

Lmfao aite bro. IM TURNT UP

SMH

First off regarding Kakashi entering gates does not help in anyway shape or form against Itachi. The fact that you underrate the shatigan reflex and perception abilities proves you dont know jack shit.

Linear style attacks with the combination of speed is useless before the sharigan!

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We see sasuke capable of evading Bee's number 8

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^^^ sasukes own mouth. Linear attacks useless before the sharigan. Smh unless you're saying First gate is faster than Bee's multiple tailed form.

Smh pre 3 tomeo sasuke was capable of reading the movements of reading the movements of kurama enhanced narutos speed at the Valley of the end.

So can you can clearly see Itachi will have no trouble keeping up with first gate kakashi. Linear attacks or not Itachi is reacting to kakashi.

SIDE VIEW attacks are of no worry of Itachi. During the kcm narutoon the bottom panel Bee comes in for a surprise attack and Itachi was not looking.

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now the next scan Itachi flawlessly evades

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Look closely at the scan. Not only is he able to evade Bee but also he returns swiftlessly back to where nagato was and You see Bee still turned around from where itachi was before which proves Itachis speed.

Smh

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Itachi was capable of doing a feint clone shunshin speed blitz on a dsm kabuto enhanced with sensing abilities! Show me a scan worthy of kakashi to be compared to that!

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Smh a 30% Itachi was capable of reacting to a Kakashi clone from underground.

I mean theres more that i can sat but i really shouldnt need to!

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Smh the fact that kakashi could hardly keep up with itachi when Itachi shunshin speed blitzed his clone over to where kakashi and kurenai were!.

Smh.

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Kakashi even admits he cant take on itachi by himself yet you think kakashis speed> Itachis speed..

The fact that Kakashi needed to use kamui because he couldnt react to sasukes sussano arrow..

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I mean.. Itachi has already shown speed feats that suggest that he would be capable of dodging that arrow!

Itachis shunshin feats shit on kakashi!

 

[RealMadaraUchiha]

Did I just read kakashi is faster than Itachi terrible seriously.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Lmfao aite bro. IM TURNT UP

SMH

First off regarding Kakashi entering gates does not help in anyway shape or form against Itachi. The fact that you underrate the shatigan reflex and perception abilities proves you dont know jack shit.

Linear style attacks with the combination of speed is useless before the sharigan!

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We see sasuke capable of evading Bee's number 8

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^^^ sasukes own mouth. Linear attacks useless before the sharigan. Smh unless you're saying First gate is faster than Bee's multiple tailed form.

Smh pre 3 tomeo sasuke was capable of reading the movements of reading the movements of kurama enhanced narutos speed at the Valley of the end.

So can you can clearly see Itachi will have no trouble keeping up with first gate kakashi. Linear attacks or not Itachi is reacting to kakashi.

SIDE VIEW attacks are of no worry of Itachi. During the kcm narutoon the bottom panel Bee comes in for a surprise attack and Itachi was not looking.

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now the next scan Itachi flawlessly evades

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Look closely at the scan. Not only is he able to evade Bee but also he returns swiftlessly back to where nagato was and You see Bee still turned around from where itachi was before which proves Itachis speed.

Smh

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Itachi was capable of doing a feint clone shunshin speed blitz on a dsm kabuto enhanced with sensing abilities! Show me a scan worthy of kakashi to be compared to that!

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Smh a 30% Itachi was capable of reacting to a Kakashi clone from underground.

I mean theres more that i can sat but i really shouldnt need to!

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Smh the fact that kakashi could hardly keep up with itachi when Itachi shunshin speed blitzed his clone over to where kakashi and kurenai were!.

Smh.

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Kakashi even admits he cant take on itachi by himself yet you think kakashis speed> Itachis speed..

The fact that Kakashi needed to use kamui because he couldnt react to sasukes sussano arrow..

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I mean.. Itachi has already shown speed feats that suggest that he would be capable of dodging that arrow!

Itachis shunshin feats shit on kakashi!

The part Kakashi had trouble keeping up with Itachi in part 1 was his hand seal speed, nothing else. The Itachi "blitzing" Kakashi from behind is irrelevant. That Kakashi was a water clone set up when Kakashi used the water wall to defend himself. He then had to get himself hurt saving Kurenai's useless ass.

Kakashi wasn't trying to hit Itachi with his clone in the fight vs the 30% version. His intent was to grab on to Itachi and get caught in tsukuyomi(or genjutsu period), allowing Naruto to "blindside" him with the rasengan.

Kakashi claiming his inferiority to Itachi wouldn't necessarily mean speed. More so the explanation would be that Kakashi isn't capable of defeating Itachi. That was over 400 chapters ago anyway, and when there's been developments since then that change that scenario, it's probably not wise to rely on a statement from then.

Itachi hasn't shown speed feats that would dodge the susanoo arrows. Lets not be ridiculous. Kakashi needed to use his technique that near-instantly warps things to avoid being hit by it. Itachi doesn't move that fast. No base ninja does.

Itachi and Kakashi's speed are on similar levels. Itachi seems to have a slight advantage, but it's one negated by Kakashi's speed when using raikiri.

Both are masters in CQC, both are geniuses in regards to tactical intelligence, both have ridiculously overpowered mangekyo techniques, both have a wide array of ninjutsu, etc. They're equals on most grounds. It's time to stop acting like this is still part 1 Kakashi who Itachi was a league or two above.

Arguing Itachi > Kakashi by a slight margin is fine, and I'd actually agree. But this "lolol Itachi shits on Kakashi" in regards to anything, whether it be speed, taijutsu or whatever else, is laughable at best.

 

[Lilt]

Arguing Itachi > Kakashi by a slight margin is fine, and I'd actually agree. But this "lolol Itachi shits on Kakashi" in regards to anything, whether it be speed, taijutsu or whatever else, is laughable at best.

Well, genjutsu. But I do agree with you overall.

Kakashi is roughly the same skill-level as Itachi in about every area.

I do think Itachi's shunshin is notably faster though, which is what started the debate.

 

[Bogard]

The part Kakashi had trouble keeping up with Itachi in part 1 was his hand seal speed, nothing else. The Itachi "blitzing" Kakashi from behind is irrelevant. That Kakashi was a water clone set up when Kakashi used the water wall to defend himself. He then had to get himself hurt saving Kurenai's useless ass.

Kakashi wasn't trying to hit Itachi with his clone in the fight vs the 30% version. His intent was to grab on to Itachi and get caught in tsukuyomi(or genjutsu period), allowing Naruto to "blindside" him with the rasengan.

Kakashi claiming his inferiority to Itachi wouldn't necessarily mean speed. More so the explanation would be that Kakashi isn't capable of defeating Itachi. That was over 400 chapters ago anyway, and when there's been developments since then that change that scenario, it's probably not wise to rely on a statement from then.

Itachi hasn't shown speed feats that would dodge the susanoo arrows. Lets not be ridiculous. Kakashi needed to use his technique that near-instantly warps things to avoid being hit by it. Itachi doesn't move that fast. No base ninja does.

Itachi and Kakashi's speed are on similar levels. Itachi seems to have a slight advantage, but it's one negated by Kakashi's speed when using raikiri.

Both are masters in CQC, both are geniuses in regards to tactical intelligence, both have ridiculously overpowered mangekyo techniques, both have a wide array of ninjutsu, etc. They're equals on most grounds. It's time to stop acting like this is still part 1 Kakashi who Itachi was a league or two above.

Arguing Itachi > Kakashi by a slight margin is fine, and I'd actually agree. But this "lolol Itachi shits on Kakashi" in regards to anything, whether it be speed, taijutsu or whatever else, is laughable at best.

He just bite more than he can chew. He will start whining/complaining or tell you to GTFO when you'll prove him wrong. In majority of his posts, he doesn't even know what he is talking about

 

[EliteKakashi]

Well, genjutsu. But I do agree with you overall.

Kakashi is basically the same as Itachi.

The only issue with that advantage is Itachi hasn't shown anything that Kakashi would be able to break out of short of tsukuyomi..which he knows to avoid. Going in to the fight with no knowledge would restore that advantage..but just about anyone who goes in to a fight with Itachi without any knowledge is probably ****ed.

 

[Lilt]

The only issue with that advantage is Itachi hasn't shown anything that Kakashi would be able to break out of short of tsukuyomi..which he knows to avoid. Going in to the fight with no knowledge would restore that advantage..but just about anyone who goes in to a fight with Itachi without any knowledge is probably ****ed.

Yeah, the advantage is definitely nullified by the defensive properties of the Sharingan if the two fought.

I'm just saying that if you line them up side by side, then Itachi's genjutsu skill isn't really close to with Kakashi's.

Like just about every other area.

 

[Prince Charles]

He just bite more than he can chew. He will start whining/complaining or tell you to GTFO when you'll prove him wrong. In majority of his posts, he doesn't even know what he is talking about

damn bogard. why all da hate G? dont be mad cus i got turnt up on you earlier!

 

[TheEvilOne]

Every character can learn it who has high chakra reserves or who has good chakra control

 

[Prince Charles]

The part Kakashi had trouble keeping up with Itachi in part 1 was his hand seal speed, nothing else. The Itachi "blitzing" Kakashi from behind is irrelevant. That Kakashi was a water clone set up when Kakashi used the water wall to defend himself. He then had to get himself hurt saving Kurenai's useless ass.

Kakashi wasn't trying to hit Itachi with his clone in the fight vs the 30% version. His intent was to grab on to Itachi and get caught in tsukuyomi(or genjutsu period), allowing Naruto to "blindside" him with the rasengan.

Kakashi claiming his inferiority to Itachi wouldn't necessarily mean speed. More so the explanation would be that Kakashi isn't capable of defeating Itachi. That was over 400 chapters ago anyway, and when there's been developments since then that change that scenario, it's probably not wise to rely on a statement from then.

Itachi hasn't shown speed feats that would dodge the susanoo arrows. Lets not be ridiculous. Kakashi needed to use his technique that near-instantly warps things to avoid being hit by it. Itachi doesn't move that fast. No base ninja does.

Itachi and Kakashi's speed are on similar levels. Itachi seems to have a slight advantage, but it's one negated by Kakashi's speed when using raikiri.

Both are masters in CQC, both are geniuses in regards to tactical intelligence, both have ridiculously overpowered mangekyo techniques, both have a wide array of ninjutsu, etc. They're equals on most grounds. It's time to stop acting like this is still part 1 Kakashi who Itachi was a league or two above.

Arguing Itachi > Kakashi by a slight margin is fine, and I'd actually agree. But this "lolol Itachi shits on Kakashi" in regards to anything, whether it be speed, taijutsu or whatever else, is laughable at best.

The part Kakashi had trouble keeping up with Itachi in part 1 was his hand seal speed, nothing else. The Itachi "blitzing" Kakashi from behind is irrelevant. That Kakashi was a water clone set up when Kakashi used the water wall to defend himself. He then had to get himself hurt saving Kurenai's useless ass.

It wasn't just the use of is jutsu, you fail realize the mechanics behind the situations. When kakashi performed that Suiton technique their is clearly no

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The next scan Kakashi is referring to his fast jutsu but you don't analyze the situation! now we see a

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The clone obviously got their by means of speed by which i was referring to!. Itachis quick release and his ability to shunshin blitz his clone over behind the kakashi water clone is impressive.

Kakashi wasn't trying to hit Itachi with his clone in the fight vs the 30% version. His intent was to grab on to Itachi and get caught in tsukuyomi(or genjutsu period), allowing Naruto to "blindside" him with the rasengan.

Does it matter? fact is the clone appeared out of the ground and Itachi was capable of reacting to it.

Itachi hasn't shown speed feats that would dodge the susanoo arrows. Lets not be ridiculous. Kakashi needed to use his technique that near-instantly warps things to avoid being hit by it. Itachi doesn't move that fast. No base ninja does.


Wrong. The manga clearly has shown ninja that would be capable of dodging that sussano arrow. Minato could had dodged that arrow with his amazing shunshin feats. If we go by what Itachi has shown that I see no reason why not to believe Itachi wouldn't react to the arrow when Itachi was capable of reacting to natural lightning!

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Here we see the arrow being shot. But notice kakashi's sharigan. Its still in the 3tomeo state.

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Kakashi was capable of switching to his MS sharigan AND still warp the arrow in time. Adding in all those factors and time gaps and the time interval kakashi had to warp the arrow it only sounds logically that someone like Itachi who has greater speed feats than kakashi and reaction feats would be capable of evading the sussano arrow with his speed!

Itachi and Kakashi's speed are on similar levels. Itachi seems to have a slight advantage, but it's one negated by Kakashi's speed when using raikiri.

No it inst negated. The sharigan has already been shown to the follow the movements of character faster than kakashi using a raikiri to enhance his speed! I mean.. the fact that itachi has a maxed out 5 in his speed and kakashi has a 4.5..

Both are masters in CQC, both are geniuses in regards to tactical intelligence, both have ridiculously overpowered mangekyo techniques, both have a wide array of ninjutsu, etc. They're equals on most grounds. It's time to stop acting like this is still part 1 Kakashi who Itachi was a league or two above.

I agree with you. But even in the early parts of part 2

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. I'll acknowledge the fact that obviously kakashi improved later on in part 2 mainly his kamui feats. I will acknowledge the fact that their pretty much on equal grounds but Itachi is simply greater in certain areas.

Arguing Itachi > Kakashi by a slight margin is fine, and I'd actually agree. But this "lolol Itachi shits on Kakashi" in regards to anything, whether it be speed, taijutsu or whatever else, is laughable at best.

When it comes to speed he actually somewhat does. Anyways you took my comment regarding
''itachi shunshin feats shit on kakashi'' too seriously but i still stand by the fact that itachi>kakashi in speed and itachi has greater shunshin feats.

 

[GrayParadise]

I just want to let you know beforehand... I didn't do this to you. I'm not punishing you for the sake of it. I'm not giving you this sentence just because you deserve it, nor do I hold any spite against you. No, no. Not me. But you.

You did this to yourself. You decided to turn yourself into a fuccboi. And now I have to get you turnt down.

Lmfao aite bro. IM TURNT UP

SMH

First off regarding Kakashi entering gates does not help in anyway shape or form against Itachi. The fact that you underrate the shatigan reflex and perception abilities proves you dont know jack shit.

Yes it does learn to read boi. We all know the sharingan can read and copy everything, that's it's job. But that's all it does is read it. It doesn't tell or send an order to the brain to dodge anything, boi. That's up to the user, BOI.

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Hell, even Itachi's clone couldn't dodge Sasuke's wimpy chidori Shuriken Windmill and had to resort to genjutsu.

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Linear style attacks with the combination of speed is useless before the sharigan!

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We see sasuke capable of evading Bee's number 8

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^^^ sasukes own mouth. Linear attacks useless before the sharigan. Smh unless you're saying First gate is faster than Bee's multiple tailed form.

Boi you a fool.
You're assuming that First Gates is linear, which most of your argument is based off of. But here, we can clearly see Lee moving in zig zag lines.

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Smh pre 3 tomeo sasuke was capable of reading the movements of reading the movements of kurama enhanced narutos speed at the Valley of the end.

And as we all know, BEE IS FASTER THAN 1 TAIL NARUTO. 2 tomoe or whatever Sharingan can dodge that crap. But even 3 tomoe couldn't dodge a few slashes from Bee's swords boi. Learn what you talkin bout little boi. Check Bee's speed, ol boi. He was competing with Minato and Aye in a life/death situation lil prince boi.

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So can you can clearly see Itachi will have no trouble keeping up with first gate kakashi. Linear attacks or not Itachi is reacting to kakashi.

You already showed me proof that linear attacks won't work, which was incorrect since Gated Kakashi can use zig zag, given that even Weightless Lee could use zig zags.

Now prove to me that nonlinear attacks won't work, you didn't show any proof how they wouldn't.

SIDE VIEW attacks are of no worry of Itachi. During the kcm narutoon the bottom panel Bee comes in for a surprise attack and Itachi was not looking.

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That page you just provided me with was the biggest piece of trash I've ever seen in my life.
Itachi and Naruto went up at each other in the air. Itachi punched Naruto, he blocked it of course. Naruto swung at Itachi, he blocked it. And he wasn't even moving that fast he was using a REGULAR SPEED because he was trying to talk to him. All he was doing was staying on the defense.

And in that bottom panel Naruto wasn't punching Itachi boi, don't take me for a fool. That was Itachi slashing at Naruto, which he dodged effortlessly. And even then, that page was completely invalid and innacurate because Kabuto was controlling him, none of that was Itachi's own doing, so all of that is invalid. But I countered it anyway just because it smelled like such sickening dog shit.

[/quote].now the next scan Itachi flawlessly evades

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Look closely at the scan. Not only is he able to evade Bee but also he returns swiftlessly back to where nagato was and You see Bee still turned around from where itachi was before which proves Itachis speed.[/quote]Kabuto was controlling him. Itachi has Sharingan, not Byakugan, so there was no way he could've seen that coming.

Smh

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Itachi was capable of doing a feint clone shunshin speed blitz on a dsm kabuto enhanced with sensing abilities! Show me a scan worthy of kakashi to be compared to that!

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Smh a 30% Itachi was capable of reacting to a Kakashi clone from underground.

SMFH BOI NO YOU DIDN'T
STOP READING THE MANGA AND SWITCH OVER TO BLEACH OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY ARE CHOKING FOR ANY LOGIC AT ALL YOU CAN FIND NO MATTER HOW FLAWED IT IS


30% POWER MEANS 30% POWER THE CLONES STILL HAVE ALL THE TYPES OF ABILITIES, SKILLS AND REFLEXES THE ORIGINAL HAS BOI THAT JUST MEANS THAT A NORMAL ITACHI CLONE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO USE A 30% POWERED FIREBALL IDIOT YOU CANT HAVE A 30% REFLEX, THAT'S RETARDED.

smfh u need 2 stop boi.

I mean theres more that i can sat but i really shouldnt need to!

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Smh the fact that kakashi could hardly keep up with itachi when Itachi shunshin speed blitzed his clone over to where kakashi and kurenai were!.

Which I already responded to earlier.

Smh.

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Kakashi even admits he cant take on itachi by himself yet you think kakashis speed> Itachis speed..

Nah son read again. Don't remember seeing the word speed there. And there are a few reasons he said that.

1. Kakashi is merciful. Almost too merciful for his own good.
Obito.
Zabuza.
Itachi.
Kakazu.

Realize what these people have in common? They're all people who Kakashi could've killed easily and got behind them with his kunai with. One slash and that's it. But due to story purposes, Kishi never lets him straight up kill anybody. He always has to say something and let them walk smh boi. You should know dis by now. And don't argue 'Oh he got Kakazu but didn't kill him'. He could've easily Raikir'd that bois head and ended him. But of course, Kishi decides to always make him go for the heart.

2. He wanted to capture him, not kill him.
As a member of Akatsuki, he had valuable info that could've been used by Konoha. Kamui is all it would've took and he woulda been OUT, BOI.

3. Kakashi could've used any gates 1-7 to speed blitz and demolish Itachi. He didn't because plot. Kishi knows how op Kakashi would be using both Ninjutsu and Gates, so that's why he didn't let him use it.

4. And here Kakashi just used a light speed blitz to jump back on Obito. You remember, the guy who was fighting Naruto, Gai, Bee and Kakashi at the same time.

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The fact that Kakashi needed to use kamui because he couldnt react to sasukes sussano arrow..

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Lmao this is your weakest argument in the entire post and u no it. It's not the fact that he 'needed to use Kamui because he couldn't react to it', it's that he had the reaction to kamui Sasuke's arrow that is impressive. Stop trying to turn a feat into a disappointment, cus its not working. Sasuke's arrow is near instant.

I mean.. Itachi has already shown speed feats that suggest that he would be capable of dodging that arrow!

Itachis shunshin feats shit on kakashi!

Kakashi either Kamui's Itachi, or uses 4th gate to speed blitz.
Kakashi is faster than Itachi.

You did this to yourself, not me. Now go sit in the corner.

 

[Prince Charles]

Sigh.. I didnt want to get TURNT up but i now i have to.

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You did this to yourself. You decided to turn yourself into a fuccboi. And now I have to get you turnt down.[/FONT]Yes it does learn to read boi. We all know the sharingan can read and copy everything, that's it's job. But that's all it does is read it. It doesn't tell or send an order to the brain to dodge anything, boi. That's up to the user, BOI.

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Hell, even Itachi's clone couldn't dodge Sasuke's wimpy chidori Shuriken Windmill and had to resort to genjutsu.

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Smh Obviously its up the user to react. Itachi has already shown the capability of amazing reaction time but since you're simply incompetent ill have to show you. First off the scan with sasuke getting hit by Bee is honestly stupid. Why are you even comparing MS sasuke to Itachi when itachi has clearly shown better feats in term of reaction and speed? The scan you first of sasuke getting knocked out by Bee was actually part of Bee's 8 sword style attack.

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SMH this was Bee's sword style attack that sasuke was up against the lead up to the scan that showed Sasuke getting knocked backed! We clearly see that sasuke is capable of defending against Bee's 8 sword style attack for a while until like you said in he fell victim to the speed of the swords

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This isnt the case for Itachi as seeing during the war Bee used the same attack on Itachi but something was different. Itachi was capable of evading against all of the attacks and evading it flawlessly unlike sasuke.

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As you can clearly see during the war Itachi is capable of countering and evading Bee's 8 sword style attack that sasuke wasnt capable of. So i don't know why you're comparing sasuke here when clearly Itachi is above sasuke in terms of speed and reaction.

Smh Itachis clone stopped the shuriken but due to sasukes raiton element combined with the shuriken, it gave the windmill shuriken the ability to go through the kunai of which the Itachi clone stopped the windmill.

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So as you can clearly see the Itachi clone stopped the shuriken in its track but due to the raiton added from sasuke it was able to penetrate it you FOOL.

Boi you a fool.
You're assuming that First Gates is linear, which most of your argument is based off of. But here, we can clearly see Lee moving in zig zag lines.

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And as we all know, BEE IS FASTER THAN 1 TAIL NARUTO. 2 tomoe or whatever Sharingan can dodge that crap. But even 3 tomoe couldn't dodge a few slashes from Bee's swords boi. Learn what you talkin bout little boi. Check Bee's speed, ol boi. He was competing with Minato and Aye in a life/death situation lil prince boi.

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Of course in gates Kakashi wont be prone to just linear movements.. Of course he will zig zag and go from the side and what not but what you're not understanding is the sharigans enhanced detailed perception and view of things.

This clearly isnt the case when sasuke was able to

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and not a moment too late was capable of dodging it.. As you can clearly see Sasuke even turn around full to see naruto which obviously shows the sharigan giving its user great perception of their surrounding and allowing them to dodge attacks without even looking to a greater extent.

just look at Itachi taking on kCM naruto.

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. The next page his flawlessl

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As you can clearly see kakashi doing zig zags and what not hardly plays a factor here when Itachi with his amazing utilization of his surroundings will have no trouble reacting and also the help with the sharigan.

Smh.. Nice job comparing Gaara to Itachi. Since when does Gaara have a sharigan and displayed great speed and reaction feats like itachi?:| So of course Gaara couldnt keep up with gate Lee. Smh Of course Bee> part 1 narutos tail mode.. You simply dont understand the point of that scan. It just goes to show how the sharigan can keep track of hide speed movement infront of them. Now when were talking about itachi who had already evaded bee's attack ... sigh.

That page you just provided me with was the biggest piece of trash I've ever seen in my life.
Itachi and Naruto went up at each other in the air. Itachi punched Naruto, he blocked it of course. Naruto swung at Itachi, he blocked it. And he wasn't even moving that fast he was using a REGULAR SPEED because he was trying to talk to him. All he was doing was staying on the defense.

And in that bottom panel Naruto wasn't punching Itachi boi, don't take me for a fool. That was Itachi slashing at Naruto, which he dodged effortlessly. And even then, that page was completely invalid and innacurate because Kabuto was controlling him, none of that was Itachi's own doing, so all of that is invalid. But I countered it anyway just because it smelled like such sickening dog shit.

what are you talking about?

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At the bottom panel we clearly see Itachi do a roundhouse kick on kCM naruto and Bee comes in for a surprise attack.

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He clearly evades it and returns to nagatos side. The rest of that post was utter bull shit and not worth my time to counter.

30% POWER MEANS 30% POWER THE CLONES STILL HAVE ALL THE TYPES OF ABILITIES, SKILLS AND REFLEXES THE ORIGINAL HAS BOI THAT JUST MEANS THAT A NORMAL ITACHI CLONE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO USE A 30% POWERED FIREBALL IDIOT YOU CANT HAVE A 30% REFLEX, THAT'S RETARDED.

Smh Itachi clearly saids

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. Hence the word STRENGTH and not only jutsu. Strength comes in to play regarding speed,reflexes, etc.


Kakashi could've used any gates 1-7 to speed blitz and demolish Itachi. He didn't because plot. Kishi knows how op Kakashi would be using both Ninjutsu and Gates, so that's why he didn't let him use it.

Smh where did you get that kakashi can use any of 1-7 gates?

4. And here Kakashi just used a light speed blitz to jump back on Obito. You remember, the guy who was fighting Naruto, Gai, Bee and Kakashi at the same time.

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Lmao this is your weakest argument in the entire post and u no it. It's not the fact that he 'needed to use Kamui because he couldn't react to it', it's that he had the reaction to kamui Sasuke's arrow that is impressive. Stop trying to turn a feat into a disappointment, cus its not working. Sasuke's arrow is near instant.

Kakashi either Kamui's Itachi, or uses 4th gate to speed blitz.
Kakashi is faster than Itachi.

You did this to yourself, not me. Now go sit in the corner.

Please.. What kakashi did to obito was hardly a speed blitz.. smh he was still in the air heading towards obito. Lmfao i can't take this guy seriously anymore.

Kakashi himself saids he couldnt react to the arrow. He clearly saids it was too fast. His only option was to use kamui. If he was capable of dodging the arrow he wouldnt had to use kamui.

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And please show me a scan of kakashi being able to use the 4th gate? if my memory serves me correctly, in part 1 during the chunin exams while lee was fighting gaara kakashi sads he can open the first gate.. why are you bringing up all this 4th and 7th gate bull shit?
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Sigh.. I didnt want to get TURNT up but i now i have to.

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Smh Obviously its up the user to react. Itachi has already shown the capability of amazing reaction time but since you're simply incompetent ill have to show you. First off the scan with sasuke getting hit by Bee is honestly stupid. Why are you even comparing MS sasuke to Itachi when itachi has clearly shown better feats in term of reaction and speed? The scan you first of sasuke getting knocked out by Bee was actually part of Bee's 8 sword style attack.

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SMH this was Bee's sword style attack that sasuke was up against the lead up to the scan that showed Sasuke getting knocked backed! We clearly see that sasuke is capable of defending against Bee's 8 sword style attack for a while until like you said in he fell victim to the speed of the swords

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The fact of the matter was that he couldn't react to Bees speed.
Do you agree that he couldn't react?
Yes, you do agree.
The reason you agree is because if he could react, he would, and wouldn't have gotten knocked back.
But he saw it and couldn't react, because he was too fast. Fact.
Therefore, you agree.

And dude, what the hell? I didn't start this comparison, you did. You're the person who bought MS Sasuke into this debate when it was about Kakashi and Itachi, so I don't know what the hell you're trying to blame me for boi.

This isnt the case for Itachi as seeing during the war Bee used the same attack on Itachi but something was different. Itachi was capable of evading against all of the attacks and evading it flawlessly unlike sasuke.

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As you can clearly see during the war Itachi is capable of countering and evading Bee's 8 sword style attack that sasuke wasnt capable of. So i don't know why you're comparing sasuke here when clearly Itachi is above sasuke in terms of speed and reaction.

Holy crap. In the name of all crap that is holy, I now pronounce you the crapstain of NB.

That first scan is bullcrap. He threw shuriken at B, which he countered with his swords. Wtf.

That second scan cannot be compared with Sasuke. Sasuke stood toe to toe with Bee, trying to counter and deflect all of his attacks. That's why he got owned. Itachi on the other hand didn't. He leaped back, running away and avoiding his swings. That's not impressive, Kakashi could do that boi. Don't try and put nothing past these eyes boi. These eyes see bullshit boi. And right now you're very visible.

Smh Itachis clone stopped the shuriken but due to sasukes raiton element combined with the shuriken, it gave the windmill shuriken the ability to go through the kunai of which the Itachi clone stopped the windmill.

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So as you can clearly see the Itachi clone stopped the shuriken in its track but due to the raiton added from sasuke it was able to penetrate it you FOOL.

Woah dere slow down boi.
You just proved my point. Itachi faltered right there. He was stuck in place, he couldn't react fast enough. TRUE. He stopped the windmill with his Kunai. But it's also TRUE he couldn't dodge that windmill as it cut through it.

He could have easily grabbed another Kunai, stuck it in the middle of the windmill and swung it around elsewhere as Sasuke did with Danzo. But did he do that? Nope. 2slow.

Of course in gates Kakashi wont be prone to just linear movements.. Of course he will zig zag and go from the side and what not but what you're not understanding is the sharigans enhanced detailed perception and view of things.

Oh no, I get it. It's just that you don't.
Just because it can see it doesn't mean he can dodge it. And boi if you're really about to try and tell me that Itachi can beat a Gated Kakashi then boi stop.

This clearly isnt the case when sasuke was able to

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and not a moment too late was capable of dodging it.. As you can clearly see Sasuke even turn around full to see naruto which obviously shows the sharigan giving its user great perception of their surrounding and allowing them to dodge attacks without even looking to a greater extent.

Boi you tryin to play me hardtime.
lol,

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Stop trying to act like I DON'T backtrack your evidence. He could've dodged that, right? But he couldn't. And his sharingan saw it, but his body was too slow to react. Boi just give up, you already lost.

just look at Itachi taking on kCM naruto.

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. The next page his flawlessl

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I already responded to this, but since you insist on copy and pasting the same argument, I'll just copy and paste what I said too.

Kabuto was controlling him. Itachi has Sharingan, not Byakugan, so there was no way he could've seen that coming.

As you can clearly see kakashi doing zig zags and what not hardly plays a factor here when Itachi with his amazing utilization of his surroundings will have no trouble reacting and also the help with the sharigan.

But he can't do that living. Itachi can NOT CHALLENGE THE SPEED OF GATES. Let's not forget, neither of them were moving at full speed. They were just throwing random swings.

You're probably one of those plebs who thinks he can beat Minato.

Smh.. Nice job comparing Gaara to Itachi. Since when does Gaara have a sharigan and displayed great speed and reaction feats like itachi?:| So of course Gaara couldnt keep up with gate Lee. Smh Of course Bee> part 1 narutos tail mode.. You simply dont understand the point of that scan. It just goes to show how the sharigan can keep track of hide speed movement infront of them. Now when were talking about itachi who had already evaded bee's attack ... sigh.

That wasn't the point. I wasn't proving that Gaara could dodge it. I was proving that Gated Kakashi could move in zig zags, which you've already admitted.

And you're telling me something I already know. I know he can see things coming. Just not within the wide range Byakugn provides, and he doesn't have the speed to react.

And boi... What... the... hell?? What do you mean I'm 'missing the point'? Quote on quote, you literally said

'Smh pre 3 tomeo sasuke was capable of reading the movements of reading the movements of kurama enhanced narutos speed at the Valley of the end.'

So tell me how I'm missing the point. You tried to make that outdated feat relevant by showing how a 2T Sasuke could dodge a 1 Tail Naruto. I told you that that's barely useful since Bee was faster than 1 tail Naruto, and Sasuke got hit by him, proving you wrong. So... how did I miss the point? You're slippin Charley boi. You slippin real hard.

what are you talking about?

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At the bottom panel we clearly see Itachi do a roundhouse kick on kCM naruto and Bee comes in for a surprise attack.

He wasn't doing that on his will. Kabuto was controlling him. Any other time, Naruto would've sensed that kick coming and either speed blitzed his ass to the next dimension, or dodged it. He chose to stand there and tank it.

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He clearly evades it and returns to nagatos side. The rest of that post was utter bull shit and not worth my time to counter.

TRANSLATION: I heard and read what you said, but just chose to ignore it because I can't counter it.
Good work, GrayParadise, you've won this debate. I sure do wish I was as good as a debater as you.

I know boi.

Smh Itachi clearly saids

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. Hence the word STRENGTH and not only jutsu. Strength comes in to play regarding speed,reflexes, etc.

...Wtf. Strength=Strength.
Strength=/=Speed.

Smh where did you get that kakashi can use any of 1-7 gates?

Kakashi has removed his chakra limiters. Any gate he wants access to, he can use it. It's a 1 time thing only.

Once you learn to remove your chakra limiters, that's it. You've unlocked the gates. You're under the impression that in order to use gates, you have to individually train in each one. That's not the case, you gain access to each after removing them. Point blank end of story.

Please.. What kakashi did to obito was hardly a speed blitz.. smh he was still in the air heading towards obito. Lmfao i can't take this guy seriously anymore.

Wow.
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
I really hope you understand that you just basically said 'Kakashi flew towards Obito while he was in the air and never touched the ground'.
He did touch the ground, and bounced back towards him in an instant. Light speed blitz. That's what he did.

Kakashi himself saids he couldnt react to the arrow. He clearly saids it was too fast. His only option was to use kamui. If he was capable of dodging the arrow he wouldnt had to use kamui.

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And you're suggesting Itachi could if he wanted to? Nah son. Sasuke's arrow is nearly the fastest attack in the manga. Only a limited number of characters can dodge it, those few being Minato, A, Naruto and debatebly Bee.

And please show me a scan of kakashi being able to use the 4th gate? if my memory serves me correctly, in part 1 during the chunin exams while lee was fighting gaara kakashi sads he can open the first gate.. why are you bringing up all this 4th and 7th gate bull shit?
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I already responded to this.
Boi.