Kishi didn't return Hiruzen to his prime bc he would be stronger than madara and hash

[Sageof7Path]

I refuse to feed you troll.
You obviously don't understand the manga or better yet choose not to understand them.
The kages power has been retconned.
Stop sticking in the past.

I'm not trolling you're just weak minded. You want to believe that these three OLD legendary ninja could beat Hizuren. It seems as though any body will praise an iconic figure kage level ninja over hiruzen simply because we've seen him in part 1. Keep in mind that Hiruzen was no where near his prime when he BEAT Hashi and Tobi and still managed to stop Orochimaru.

 

[KingHashirama]

Deal with it, Prime could possibly beat Hashirama. It's been stated many times he is a God and was the strongest Hokage. The old man also beat 2 damn edos with massive handicaps, they had there personalites removed thats right, but that just made them into killing machines, Hiruzen can destroy Hashis wood and can counter bringer of drakness. They may infact of had been weaker versions but it never states how much more weak they were. Also his stats are almost perfect in the databook.

Highly false. Hes never been addressed to as "god" Orochimaru simply stated what others called or hyped him up as. But Hashirama is the God of Shinobi..... hell not just konoha but even people like Suigetsu know him. And not to forget somepeople started to consider Hashirama a fairy tale due to his strength.

And Hiruzen has no chance against the buddha.. And Iruka never said "3rd Hokage was the strongest Hokage", he stated "Some say the 3rd was the strongest of all the Hokage".

And why aren't you dealing with it that you guys need the "prime" excuse to even put him up against the other Hokage.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

I believe that it's Hashiramas special ablity to supress tailed bests too.

i am talking about Hiruzen, he was 58 when Kyuubi attacked Konoha and Minato died that night, so how can anyone say that Hiruzen at the age of 58 was in his prime?

Highly false. Hes never been addressed to as "god" Orochimaru simply stated what others called or hyped him up as. But Hashirama is the God of Shinobi..... hell not just konoha but even people like Suigetsu know him. And not to forget somepeople started to consider Hashirama a fairy tale due to his strength.

And Hiruzen has no chance against the buddha.. And Iruka never said "3rd Hokage was the strongest Hokage", he stated "Some say the 3rd was the strongest of all the Hokage".

And why aren't you dealing with it that you guys need the "prime" excuse to even put him up against the other Hokage.

and some say that Hashirama was fairy taile and that he was God of Shinobi, it's the same thing, some say that this one was this and that one was that

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[Altaneen]

What do we know about Hashiramas death? How do you know he died young?

Stated by who? They where in full power with limitless chackra and got out classed and sealed away by a 69 year old Hiruzen.

I'm really starting to think most of you judge the out comes of these battles on appearance and "legend status"

They were not at full power in that fight. Top panel

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"This time we were brought back to this world with almost our full power." Meaning that last time they were not. Reading the manga will help you to understand more things, but I figure I'm talking to a troll so I guess you win in the sense you are getting people to argue the obvious. So good job, ya did it.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Its a shame all the irrational threads get the most attention

Irrational? Really? It's more rational then the way some of you think. The way you refuse to believe a guy who already beat two kage level ninja at age 70, in his prime would be stronger than the two kage level ninja he defeated. TRUST ME Prime Hiruzen whipes the floor with the Senjus.

 

[Trollasaur]

Highly false. Hes never been addressed to as "god" Orochimaru simply stated what others called or hyped him up as. But Hashirama is the God of Shinobi..... hell not just konoha but even people like Suigetsu know him. And not to forget somepeople started to consider Hashirama a fairy tale due to his strength.

And Hiruzen has no chance against the buddha.. And Iruka never said "3rd Hokage was the strongest Hokage", he stated "Some say the 3rd was the strongest of all the Hokage".

And why aren't you dealing with it that you guys need the "prime" excuse to even put him up against the other Hokage.

I never heard anyone saying Hashirama was the best hokage.
And Hiruzen has been called a god before and so has Hashirama and God=Fairytale.
Hiruzen knew all of the Leaf Villages jutsu and knew about all it's kenkai genkai.
Hiruzen managed to beat Orchimaru Tobirama and Hashirama with 3 ****ing jutsu......

This man should not be underistimated and people should take into consederation that his prime self could potentially beat Hashirama

/end rant

 

[Migualon J.J.]

They were not at full power in that fight. Top panel

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"This time we were brought back to this world with almost our full power." Meaning that last time they were not. Reading the manga will help you to understand more things, but I figure I'm talking to a troll so I guess you win. Good job.

yeah, they weren't in full power, but were they in half of power? 1/3 of power? 90% of power? we don't know how much power were they revived in during the battle with Hiruzen

 

[Trollasaur]

i am talking about Hiruzen, he was 58 when Kyuubi attacked Konoha and Minato died that night, so how can anyone say that Hiruzen at the age of 58 was in his prime?



and some say that Hashirama was fairy taile and that he was God of Shinobi, it's the same thing, some say that this one was this and that one was that

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I was just saying lol

 

[Sageof7Path]

Highly false. Hes never been addressed to as "god" Orochimaru simply stated what others called or hyped him up as. But Hashirama is the God of Shinobi..... hell not just konoha but even people like Suigetsu know him. And not to forget somepeople started to consider Hashirama a fairy tale due to his strength.

And Hiruzen has no chance against the buddha.. And Iruka never said "3rd Hokage was the strongest Hokage", he stated "Some say the 3rd was the strongest of all the Hokage".

And why aren't you dealing with it that you guys need the "prime" excuse to even put him up against the other Hokage.

If he was as strong as you say he is and has fairy tail like strength why was Hiruzen able to defeat him in edo tensei when he isn't suppose to be able to die!

That's exactly what I'm talking about you people base ninja fights off of there "legend hype" and not their actual ability or what has actually been seen. Come to think of it what I saw last was Hiruzen whipping the floor with two young hokage's even though they where immortal!

 

[Migualon J.J.]

I was just saying lol

same here

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[Fodder#4]

Oh, I enjoy this thread... Let us all wank to Hiruzen, GOD OF SHINOBI!

 

[Sageof7Path]

Oh, I enjoy this thread... Let us all wank to Hiruzen, GOD OF SHINOBI!

Butt hurt troll come up with something better.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

Oh, I enjoy this thread... Let us all wank to Hiruzen, GOD OF SHINOBI!

no one here is wanking to Hiruzen (at least i think and hope so

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) but these threads are still better than some people still thinking that Jiraya could beat Kisame and Itachi at the same time just because Itachi said so

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[Edinburgh]

He was brought back the first time young, the databook says he died in war. Why do you think he died old, Tobirama wouldn't have been the Hokage so soon if that was the case.

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Tobirama mentions that this time him and Hashirama were revived at near full power. Meaning as opposed to last time, they were not near full power.

Tell me what makes Hiruzen so strong and how he can beat Edo Madara and Hashirama. I would LOVE to hear it

Just to let you know, sexy sig guy, that he says nearly at full power.

I think that even though Hiruzen was an exclusive part one character, his part two feats (If he gets them.) will put him at Hashirama's level. I'm directly referring towards his professor title here.

 

[Darkrai03]

I can understand why u think that cz kages were weak when they fought hiruzan but hiruzan was very old yet he defeated them. But the thing is that we haven't seen much from hiruzen during his prime, he did nothing during the nine tail attack he was a little younger then, and we have seen so much from madara and hashirama that we have to believe they are stronger. Also the manga didn't show any hints that he was stronger than madara and hashi infect from what we have seen they are the strongest, maybe obito now.

 

[Sageof7Path]

yeah, they weren't in full power, but were they in half of power? 1/3 of power? 90% of power? we don't know how much power were they revived in during the battle with Hiruzen

You don't know how much power they had. Even if it where true it doesn't level the playing field when fighting some one who is 70 but Hiruzen still won.

 

[Trollasaur]

Highly false. Hes never been addressed to as "god" Orochimaru simply stated what others called or hyped him up as. But Hashirama is the God of Shinobi..... hell not just konoha but even people like Suigetsu know him. And not to forget somepeople started to consider Hashirama a fairy tale due to his strength.

And Hiruzen has no chance against the buddha.. And Iruka never said "3rd Hokage was the strongest Hokage", he stated "Some say the 3rd was the strongest of all the Hokage".


And why aren't you dealing with it that you guys need the "prime" excuse to even put him up against the other Hokage.

I believe enma can transform into any size, and he could push out kuarama out of the village easily. It might be a stretch but if Enma can infact transform inot any side the ****ing budda statue has competion. That thing looks so useless btw.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

You don't know how much power they had. Even if it where true it doesn't level the playing field when fighting some one who is 70 but Hiruzen still won.

actually there is possibility they only had like 1/10 of their power or 1/5 of their power, that would make a difference and i don't think dying can be considered as victory

 

[Fodder#4]

no one here is wanking to Hiruzen (at least i think and hope so

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) but these threads are still better than some people still thinking that Jiraya could beat Kisame and Itachi at the same time just because Itachi said so

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xD, I don't mind those threads if they are well written. It's obviously false, but if you can provide some back up source it's all worth the read. Might learn something new! Plus, J-man needs some love babeh! And >.> I only saw the title and then commented... DID NOT READ! So, I assume there would be more jokesters amuk.

Butt hurt troll come up with something better.

Totes butthurt, can I have some lube? My butthurts and It needs lube or lotion .

Nah, there's a difference between playfully joking and trolling. I was doing the former here.

 

[Trollasaur]

no one here is wanking to Hiruzen (at least i think and hope so

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) but these threads are still better than some people still thinking that Jiraya could beat Kisame and Itachi at the same time just because Itachi said so

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Jirayia>Pain though