Minato's reaction to Jiraiya's death.

[Mr Hiru]

Alright "smart-ass" then why didn't you cover the fact that all data a Kagebunshin receives is transmitted to the original user when the jutsu is undone? Oh, it must have been a "pain" in the "ass"
The same thing happened to Minato. The data from the chakra left in Naruto (or Kagebunshin) was transmitted to his original brain when the chakra has vanished.

Use something called "logic" before trying to argue with me.

And there you failed again, Mr. Genius.

I said that the chakra left, when there isn't a original owner to return to, it returns to the nature that surrounds it. Do you know which is the nearest live being to that chakra projection?

Yeah, it was Naruto itself. So that chakra never left him. Do you even know which were the last words Minato said in Pain's Arc?

I won't tell ya, it still is a pain in my ass.

All you need to know is that chakra isn't with Edo Minato right now.

PS: You are too far away to try and be cocky with me kid. You need more experience.

PS2: Cooled my head so I could give you a better argument for your failure... The information of a Kage Bunshin can be transmitted thanks to chakra. Dead bodies can't use neural systems or chakra circulatory system to bring chakra and interpret information, so it's impossible that information was transmited to Minato through that mean, because he was dead when this message was transmitted. Oh yeah... and that Minato didn't use a Kage Bunshin... I just gave an example of chakra projection. So the information Minato got doesn't have to travel to the original owner necesarily.

 

[miromiro]

And there you failed again, Mr. Genius.

I said that the chakra left, when there isn't a original owner to return to, it returns to the nature that surrounds it. Do you know which is the nearest live being to that chakra projection?

Yeah, it was Naruto itself. So that chakra never left him. Do you even know which were the last words Minato said in Pain's Arc?

I won't tell ya, it still is a pain in my ass.

All you need to know is that chakra isn't with Edo Minato right now.

PS: You are too far away to try and be cocky with me kid. You need more experience.

PS2: Cooled my head so I could give you a better argument for your failure... The information of a Kage Bunshin can be transmitted thanks to chakra. Dead bodies can't use neural systems or chakra circulatory system to bring chakra and interpret information, so it's impossible that information was transmited to Minato through that mean, because he was dead when this message was transmitted. Oh yeah... and that Minato didn't use a Kage Bunshin... I just gave an example of chakra projection. So the information Minato got doesn't have to travel to the original owner necesarily.

Soo.... a dead body has no chakra in it? So I suppose Edo Tensei not only revives you, but also gives you chakra? Oooh, nice deal.
Look dude, I used the kagebunshin as an example. Minato's chakra was fading, meaning that it was returning to his body. This is plot no jutsu... how this chakra embedding system works. In the end, Minato was literally having a dialogue with Naruto. Can you leave information in chakra? When Naruto asked Minato who attacked the village he was asking Minato's chakra? Like, the chakra itself? That blue thing inside a ninja's body? Seriously?

This is plot no jutsu, I believe that chakra somehow links to Minato while he was dead. I think it's his soul or something. Like, his soul can contact Naruto when that chakra is activated. It's all plot no jutsu, so don't pretend to know how this works, kiddo.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Soo.... a dead body has no chakra in it? So I suppose Edo Tensei not only revives you, but also gives you chakra? Oooh, nice deal.
Look dude, I used the kagebunshin as an example. Minato's chakra was fading, meaning that it was returning to his body. This is plot no jutsu... how this chakra embedding system works. In the end, Minato was literally having a dialogue with Naruto. Can you leave information in chakra? When Naruto asked Minato who attacked the village he was asking Minato's chakra? Like, the chakra itself? That blue thing inside a ninja's body? Seriously?

This is plot no jutsu, I believe that chakra somehow links to Minato while he was dead. I think it's his soul or something. Like, his soul can contact Naruto when that chakra is activated. It's all plot no jutsu, so don't pretend to know how this works, kiddo.

a) You just told it. Edo Tensei "partially" revives you. It gives you certain properties. One of these is reactivating the chakra circulatory system (I didn't say chakra, so you argument failed again because in order to be cocky you're not reading my arguments, entirely). That's the way Edo Tensei ninjas can use Jutsus. Well, it seems I'm not the only one who is not explaining things fully here... but at least I'm consistent.

b) Soul? Plot no jutsu? "Manga facts please?" And you are trying to make me use logic? I won't keep discussing with you... if this is your last line of defense, it would be coward from my part to keep using solid arguments against these lame excuses.

 

[miromiro]

What has the chakra circulatory system to do with the chakra itself? It is reactivated when it is. Only because Minato's chakra was split doesn't mean that it's still not his. It's like the Kagebunshin theory. If a clone finds something, the user knows it right away. So, if Minato's chakra has discussed with Naruto, Minato will know right away.

I used the soul thing just as an example. A part of his soul talks to Naruto and he knows it, because it's still his soul. See the Kagebunshin example above. And I never asked you to discuss with me, you were the one who replied my original post with crappy arguments, so sod off.

 

[Mr Hiru]

What has the chakra circulatory system to do with the chakra itself? It is reactivated when it is. Only because Minato's chakra was split doesn't mean that it's still not his. It's like the Kagebunshin theory. If a clone finds something, the user knows it right away. So, if Minato's chakra has discussed with Naruto, Minato will know right away..

Was Minato's chakra circulatory system active when the chakra inside Naruto started to fade? "No", this "returning chakra" couldn't enter on his dead body. Or tell me, can you force blood to enter on the blood circulatory system on a dead body? The chakra at the moment of the body's death remains inside, but you can't make it flow in its death state unless you use a special jutsu (i.e. Edo Tensei / Rinne Tensei).

If you don't believe me, how could you assure that this chakra came back months after when Minato was revived in its Edo Tensei form?

...just no, I can't find a logic way to explain something like that.

PS: My arguments aren't crappy. I didn't start to use "souls" or "plot no jutsu" as references.
PS2: I started to discuss in the most logical way because you called me smart-ass. I didn't try to lack respects here... Well, I could choose to report for that attitude but I prefered to discuss, so I feel pretty generous for my decision.

 

[miromiro]

Plot No Jutsu, this is everything around this subject. Since we don't know how this works, both your and my arguments are invalid. You said that my argument is a failure, while you don't have an argument yourself that Minato doesn't know about Jiraya.

And report what to who? Reporting the word "smart-ass"? Well, you act like you know that Minato doesn't know about Jiraya, when you don't even have proof. Anyway, let's end this here and wait for everything to be confirmed / infirmed / revealed.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Plot No Jutsu, this is everything around this subject. Since we don't know how this works, both your and my arguments are invalid. You said that my argument is a failure, while you don't have an argument yourself that Minato doesn't know about Jiraya.

And report what to who? Reporting the word "smart-ass"? Well, you act like you know that Minato doesn't know about Jiraya, when you don't even have proof. Anyway, let's end this here and wait for everything to be confirmed / infirmed / revealed.

At least! We agree in something.

PS: Congratulations, you got your comment number 69.

 

[Ryan Ensign]

Minato knows, he knows everything up until he tightened the seal on Naruto during the Pain fight.

 

[cptenn94]

Im inclined to think that the chakra technique works alot like kage bushin. Both are just chakra projections, and when they are used up they transfer their experiances to the main body(or in this case soul).


Because if the chakra is truly not connected to the main body, then the oro we have now is not the real one, but a clone, that has no memories of training sasuke and trying to take control of him....but he does. Oros curse mark is almost the same as minatos chakra technique, only it is used to take over the body, instead of talking or giveing chakra.

Minato probably knows jman is dead though. If he didnt know before, oro wouldve told him.(because he couldve asked him)

 

[Mr Hiru]

Would you tell then how is that Minato got surprised so much when Naruto used Fuuton Rasen Shuriken, if he was with Naruto all the time?

It's quite the contradiction in this case.

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

I didn't want to quote about the last 25 posts, but simply put.... Minato has explicitly stated that he also knew about Jirayai as I and many other posters showed from that one chapter. Was Minato wasting the precious time he had to say to his own son (who he hasn't interacted with in 16 years), "Hey Naruto, I also know about what happened to Jirayai and I still can't believe how rich and successful his new set of books have made him...what do you think?"

He said it to Naruto in the context of This Nagato/Pain guy has killed J-Man, destroyed the village we all love, and now he is questioning you about how YOU - Uzumaki Naruto - will get rid of pain, suffering, hate, etc... I mean it was the overlying theme to Minato and Naruto's conversation. Minato keeps telling him you are my son and myself, your mother, your godfather/sensei are all putting/have put their trust in you to find the answer to Pain's question and we all have faith that you will.

As for the whole "chakra" debate and/or how could he "PHYSICALLY" or "MENTALLY" actually KNOW J-Man is dead since he was stuck in the death god's stomach, etc...

1 - Orochimaru and Minato have both shown us that they were able to things going in the real world through their advanced use of Seals, DESPITE BOTH BEING SEALED AWAY FOREVER - Oro left to be in a drunken genjutsu state for "all eternity" and Minato to forever be battling inside the Death God's stomach.

2 - Yet we know how Kishi works and the whole Yin/Yang Chakra statements/theories have been beaten with a dead horse. Will never know why Minato was unable to FULLY SEAL the Kyuubi into Naruto, yet Naruto is by far the strongest Jinchuuriki which shouldn't make much sense if he only has 50% of the Kyuubi's powers. I mean technically shouldn't the other half been unleashed when Orochimaru cut open his own/Death God's stomach:

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Butttt... as we see only 5 things come out and 4 of them being Hokage and the other being Oro's Arms.


The point I am trying to drive home is Kishi needs room to play around with all of these jutsu's like Edo-Tensei, and Principles/Facts like how he always changes them with Edo-Tensei, Yin-Yang Chakra, etc...

But to read that page and to think Minato isn't talking about how he knows about J-Man's death is borderline propitious. What would one argue Minato brought up J-Man for and in that context as well?

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

I didn't want to quote about the last 25 posts, but simply put.... Minato has explicitly stated that he also knew about Jirayai as I and many other posters showed from that one chapter. Was Minato wasting the precious time he had to say to his own son (who he hasn't interacted with in 16 years), "Hey Naruto, I also know about what happened to Jirayai and I still can't believe how rich and successful his new set of books have made him...what do you think?"

He said it to Naruto in the context of This Nagato/Pain guy has killed J-Man, destroyed the village we all love, and now he is questioning you about how YOU - Uzumaki Naruto - will get rid of pain, suffering, hate, etc... I mean it was the overlying theme to Minato and Naruto's conversation. Minato keeps telling him you are my son and myself, your mother, your godfather/sensei are all putting/have put their trust in you to find the answer to Pain's question and we all have faith that you will.

As for the whole "chakra" debate and/or how could he "PHYSICALLY" or "MENTALLY" actually KNOW J-Man is dead since he was stuck in the death god's stomach, etc...

1 - Orochimaru and Minato have both shown us that they were able to things going in the real world through their advanced use of Seals, DESPITE BOTH BEING SEALED AWAY FOREVER - Oro left to be in a drunken genjutsu state for "all eternity" and Minato to forever be battling inside the Death God's stomach.

2 - Yet we know how Kishi works and the whole Yin/Yang Chakra statements/theories have been beaten with a dead horse. Will never know why Minato was unable to FULLY SEAL the Kyuubi into Naruto, yet Naruto is by far the strongest Jinchuuriki which shouldn't make much sense if he only has 50% of the Kyuubi's powers. I mean technically shouldn't the other half been unleashed when Orochimaru cut open his own/Death God's stomach:

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Butttt... as we see only 5 things come out and 4 of them being Hokage and the other being Oro's Arms.


The point I am trying to drive home is Kishi needs room to play around with all of these jutsu's like Edo-Tensei, and Principles/Facts like how he always changes them with Edo-Tensei, Yin-Yang Chakra, etc...

But to read that page and to think Minato isn't talking about how he knows about J-Man's death is borderline propitious. What would one argue Minato brought up J-Man for and in that context as well?

On that note. The other half is sealed inside Minato. Hence why he is able to go KCM. Before he was sealed in the Death God, he sealed the chakra in to him.

Would you tell then how is that Minato got surprised so much when Naruto used Fuuton Rasen Shuriken, if he was with Naruto all the time?

It's quite the contradiction in this case.

I think he was more suprised at the combination of the 2 techniques (Blaze Arrow and Shuriken)

 

[Silverblade]

Minato in Naruto's Stomach !== Edo Minato

Both Minato - Two different entities.

Minato in Naruto's stomach can trace up events from death til Naruto was about to release the seal on Pain.
Edo Minato trace up events to his death.

Hence, Edo Minato asked Naruto is Sakura his girlfriend and surprised at his nature Rasengan.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Minato in Naruto's Stomach !== Edo Minato

Both Minato - Two different entities.

Minato in Naruto's stomach can trace up events from death til Naruto was about to release the seal on Pain.
Edo Minato trace up events to his death.

Hence, Edo Minato asked Naruto is Sakura his girlfriend and surprised at his nature Rasengan.

These are my thoughts too. People can't deny the fact that Minato got jealous of Naruto's Elemental Rasengan, when the 9-Tails Jinchuuriki has already used this jutsu a lot of times...

 

[david098]

Minato in Naruto's Stomach !== Edo Minato

Both Minato - Two different entities.

Minato in Naruto's stomach can trace up events from death til Naruto was about to release the seal on Pain.
Edo Minato trace up events to his death.

Hence, Edo Minato asked Naruto is Sakura his girlfriend and surprised at his nature Rasengan.

you insult me then copy my statement? : /

 

[david098]

On that note. The other half is sealed inside Minato. Hence why he is able to go KCM. Before he was sealed in the Death God, he sealed the chakra in to him.



I think he was more suprised at the combination of the 2 techniques (Blaze Arrow and Shuriken)

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sorry what? the "Blaze Arrow and Shuriken" hadn't been released yet?

 

[TheEvilOne]

He already know is...
But Hiruzen doesn't knows he is dead, or Asuma is dead. He will be surprised.