[VS] Madara > Hashirama

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

Okay so I made a post earlier today which I found out got deleted, I must of posted it in the wrong section :/ but basically I believe that Madara > Hashi even if they were not EDO. Don't get me wrong because I love Hashi and actually dislike Madara, but I'm realistic not biased. If Hashi is better than Madara he would have ended this war already or atleast dealt with Madara. I mean there's 4 hokages atm, konoha's 11, might gai and even my favorite - ROCK LEE! so if Hashi so strong why can't he beat Madara with some help pretty quickly? I mean I know there is the bijuu as well. But c'mon? Everyone says Normal Hashi > Normal Madara. But Hashi never 1 v 1 with Madara when Madara attained rinnegan. That's a big thing to add. Hashi 'won' their first fight... But as Tobi says web he pretended to be Madara..

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[KidGamer65]

Madara hasn't gotten anything that lets him beat the Buddha so he still loses. Madara puts up PS, Hashirama beats it with the Buddha and pastes Madara.

I hope you aren't saying EMS Madara>Hashirama, cause Hashirama already won in the manga.

Hashirama can't fight Madara now because he is busy with everyone else dealing with the Juubi.

BTW your pic doesn't work.

 

[Bronze]

yes madara wins with no effort.

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hashirama is a fodder before the power of EMS, rinnegan, mokuton.

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

Now the pic is there so look. And no EMS Madara < Hashi. Its now that he has rinnengan he will be better than Hashi Hashi only wins because hes a protagonist and he has 'the will of fire'. But realistically... C'mon? (;

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Madara hasn't gotten anything that lets him beat the Buddha so he still loses. Madara puts up PS, Hashirama beats it with the Buddha and pastes Madara.

like it did last time? oh wait it didnt do shit to madara. shodai had to stab him in the back with a clone feint.

I hope you aren't saying EMS Madara>Hashirama, cause Hashirama already won in the manga.

after madara had the upper hand almost the entire fight, and only after hashirama took out kyuubi and clone feinted did he hurt the guy. if madara didnt intend on taking hashiramas cells, or if he didnt let his guard down do you think hashi could have won?

 

[Shura]

Rinnegan Madara > Hashirama > EMS Madara.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

like it did last time? oh wait it didnt do shit to madara.

Because it was aimed at the Kyuubi.

after madara had the upper hand almost the entire fight, and only after hashirama took out kyuubi and clone feinted did he hurt the guy. if madara didnt intend on taking hashiramas cells, or if he didnt let his guard down do you think hashi could have won?

Yeah.

Rinnegan Madara > Hashirama > EMS Madara.

Nope.

Hashirama > VotE Madara > Rinnegan Madara > EMS Madara.

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

Because it was aimed at the Kyuubi.



Yeah.
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Nope.

Hashirama > VotE Madara > Rinnegan Madara > EMS Madara.

Stop dreaming :L

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Stop dreaming :L

Stop being a mindless fanboy.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

i can't help but think about what hashirama can do to madara without the kyuubi ....... that hashi summon ....... a thousand slaps, he would mop the floor with madara's face (just kidding but hashi would still win).

 

[KidGamer65]

like it did last time? oh wait it didnt do shit to madara. shodai had to stab him in the back with a clone feint.

You mean when Madara had the Kyuubi's DC that let him destroy the damn statue in the first place? The same Kyuubi Madara doesn't have this time around. Buddha>PSKyuubi>PS. PS gets smashed along with Madara as Madara can't destroy the Buddha w/o Kurama.

after madara had the upper hand almost the entire fight, and only after hashirama took out kyuubi and clone feinted did he hurt the guy. if madara didnt intend on taking hashiramas cells, or if he didnt let his guard down do you think hashi could have won?

Wipe Madara's cum out of your eyes and then re-read that fight. How the hell did Madara have the upper hand when he was the one who coated Susanoo onto Kyuubi before Hashirama ever brought out anything? He coated Kyuubi with Susanoo because he couldn't do shit to Hashirama before. Hashirama was casually countered his Bijuu Dama and lobbed it right back at him.

Got proof that Madara purposely didn't fight at full power even though he refers to this as his battle to the death with Hashirama? OH wait, you don't, you're simply talking out of your ass.

Madara never let his guard down, again, go re-read that fight. He got flanked and he lost, end of story. Hashirama beat him, end of story.

 

[Bronze]

whats the point in making threads like these. madara is already superior to hashirama. he surpassed his prime which was EMS+PS+100% kyuubi that made shitrama look like this:

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come on fanboys, EMS+rinnegan+mokuton> shitty SM, mokuton.

its not hard to understand.

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

Stop being a mindless fanboy.

HAHAHAHAH I don't even like Madara :L

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

i can't help but think about what hashirama can do to madara without the kyuubi ....... that hashi summon ....... a thousand slaps, he would mop the floor with madara's face (just kidding but hashi would still win).

You're right. Back then without kyuubi Madara would of been a piece of shit. But also think about this, he was skilled enough to control a monster like kurama and put a sasunoo on him. The point is, now he has rinnengan, he will go toe to toe with hashi

 

[Draphsin]

Copying & pasting from a previous thread, this will always be the basis of my argument concerning these two. This thread has been made so many times that im just tired of repeating myself :

People think hashi wins because EMS Madara's greatest feat with PS = Edo madara's PS. This is however untrue, if we closely look at their abilities we can see that madara has the more powerful jutsu, susanoo.

This is going to be somewhat of a lot to read, so be prepared.

Establishing the difference between EMS madara & hashirama
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The uchiha were given the powerful chakra & spiritual energy from rikudou, while the senju were given the life force & physical energy. Now what this dumbs down to is that the uchiha have strong chakra, while the senju have lots of it. They both carry a part of each others strength within them as per yin & yang but its not much to make a difference in this case.

Now with all of that being said, lets think about what makes hashi & what makes madara strong (not their overall strength but their most powerful techniques). So hashi has SM, which increases the power of his jutsus, shinsuusenju would be much smaller or hashi may not even be able to summon it without SM. So what does this tell us? Its says that hashi cant match madara's strength (chakra wise) without it. Otherwise he would get fodderized, no? I sure as hell believe so.

& now lets look at EMS madara & what makes him so strong. Madara has nothing on his own which can aid him in a regular battle, he doesnt have any jutsus that increase strength or the scale of his jutsus because his chakra is already powerful enough. The only thing that would make madara as powerful as hashi would be something that gives him extra chakra, & what better thing to do that other than the one & only kyuubi. Kurama was madara's way of becoming even with hashi, he got fodderized without kurama, manga fact therefore its proven than he needs an extra boost.

(Note: About kurama, kurama has never increased the strength of madara's jutsus, it was shown that madara can level mountains with his perfect susanoo sword slash, & kurama's tbbs do nothing to hashi. He can catch them with his hands & redirect them, thats why madara uses bijudamma blades, because thats the only way he can get his tbbs to damage hashi. It has nothing to do with kurama's attacks, madara's PS blades are strong enough to cut hashi's mokuton & hands solo).

So as you can see, madara needs kurama in order to match hashi's stamina, so he can last longer. & hashi needs SM to match madara's strength, so he can fight on equal footing with PS.

Now that I've established what makes these two different, the rest of the argument becomes simpler to explain. So since madara is now an edo, he doesnt need to rely on kurama to damage hashi's mokuton, because he has unlimited chakra, the problem that led to his defeat in their previous battle is nullified. Therefore madara simply becoming an edo has put him on hashi's level, however since madara posesses strong chakra, he can spam mokuton on hashi's level as well (well next to SM, of course). People saying that madara doesnt have mokuton as strong as hashi are wrong, their excuse is that madara has less experience with it, but that doesnt matter as the rinnegan allows mastery over the basic elemental natures, his sharingan can copy hashi's mokuton to the letter, & he has the strong chakra already needed.

Now, since madara is on hashi's level by being an edo alone, adding in the rinnegan & hashi's mokuton is like adding insult to injury.

PS. On a final note, the main advantage that gave hashi the battle last time was the fact that madara lost kurama, now that madara doesnt need kurama, that makes all of hashi's mokuton next to worthless.

Madara wins mid diff IMO U_U

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

You mean when Madara had the Kyuubi's DC that let him destroy the damn statue in the first place? The same Kyuubi Madara doesn't have this time around. Buddha>PSKyuubi>PS. PS gets smashed along with Madara as Madara can't destroy the Buddha w/o Kurama.



Wipe Madara's cum out of your eyes and then re-read that fight. How the hell did Madara have the upper hand when he was the one who coated Susanoo onto Kyuubi before Hashirama ever brought out anything? He coated Kyuubi with Susanoo because he couldn't do shit to Hashirama before. Hashirama was casually countered his Bijuu Dama and lobbed it right back at him.

Got proof that Madara purposely didn't fight at full power even though he refers to this as his battle to the death with Hashirama? OH wait, you don't, you're simply talking out of your ass.

Madara never let his guard down, again, go re-read that fight. He got flanked and he lost, end of story. Hashirama beat him, end of story.

And who came out on top? Thats like saying Temiri > Shikamaru because she is 'stronger'. Madara planned the future perfectly.

 

[H8OnItachi]

People think hashi wins because EMS Madara's greatest feat with PS = Edo madara's PS. This is however untrue, if we closely look at their abilities we can see that madara has the more powerful jutsu, susanoo.

This is going to be somewhat of a lot to read, so be prepared.

Establishing the difference between EMS madara & hashirama

The uchiha were given the powerful chakra & spiritual energy from rikudou, while the senju were given the life force & physical energy. Now what this dumbs down to is that the uchiha have strong chakra, while the senju have lots of it. They both carry a part of each others strength within them as per yin & yang but its not much to make a difference in this case.

Now with all of that being said, lets think about what makes hashi & what makes madara strong (not their overall strength but their most powerful techniques). So hashi has SM, which increases the power of his jutsus, shinsuusenju would be much smaller or hashi may not even be able to summon it without SM. So what does this tell us? Its says that hashi cant match madara's strength (chakra wise) without it. Otherwise he would get fodderized, no? I sure as hell believe so.

& now lets look at EMS madara & what makes him so strong. Madara has nothing on his own which can aid him in a regular battle, he doesnt have any jutsus that increase strength or the scale of his jutsus because his chakra is already powerful enough. The only thing that would make madara as powerful as hashi would be something that gives him extra chakra, & what better thing to do that other than the one & only kyuubi. Kurama was madara's way of becoming even with hashi, he got fodderized without kurama, manga fact therefore its proven than he needs an extra boost.

(Note: About kurama, kurama has never increased the strength of madara's jutsus, it was shown that madara can level mountains with his perfect susanoo sword slash, & kurama's tbbs do nothing to hashi. He can catch them with his hands & redirect them, thats why madara uses bijudamma blades, because thats the only way he can get his tbbs to damage hashi. It has nothing to do with kurama's attacks, madara's PS blades are strong enough to cut hashi's mokuton & hands solo).

So as you can see, madara needs kurama in order to match hashi's stamina, so he can last longer. & hashi needs SM to match madara's strength, so he can fight on equal footing with PS.
Now that I've established what makes these two different, the rest of the argument becomes simpler to explain. So since madara is now an edo, he doesnt need to rely on kurama to damage hashi's mokuton, because he has unlimited chakra, the problem that led to his defeat in their previous battle is nullified. Therefore madara simply becoming an edo has put him on hashi's level, however since madara posesses strong chakra, he can spam mokuton on hashi's level as well (well next to SM, of course). People saying that madara doesnt have mokuton as strong as hashi are wrong, their excuse is that madara has less experience with it, but that doesnt matter as the rinnegan allows mastery over the basic elemental natures, his sharingan can copy hashi's mokuton to the letter, & he has the strong chakra already needed.

Now, since madara is on hashi's level by being an edo alone, adding in the rinnegan & hashi's mokuton is like adding insult to injury.

PS. On a final note, the main advantage that gave hashi the battle last time was the fact that madara lost kurama, now that madara doesnt need kurama, that makes all of hashi's mokuton next to worthless.

Madara wins mid diff IMO

Ok i sure as hell didnt ever see it that way, but the sole problem thereis that it still doesnt hint how is rinnegan madara supposed to beat hashi, because i dont think he can make PS even bigger than Shinsuusenju or summon shinsuusenju himself.

OT: until proven otherwise, mads gets stomped, the scale of the attack is too much for even PS to tank it, and before you mention the meteorite, that thing was little compared to PS, which was dwarfed by Shinsuusenju, no way in hell is it destroying the statue, and we havent even gotten to see his rinnegan techs.

Hashirama > VotE Madara > Rinnegan Madara > EMS Madara.

Off topic but, why do people differentiate VoTe madara with EMS madara, kurama is part of his usable arsenal so they are both the exact same.