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[Draphsin]

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Not fodder anymore is it?

People think that this is because zetsu helped him, its funny because zetsu has shown no mokuton feats himself, so how is zetsu using his own mokuton? The only thing that zetsu is doing is controlling obito's power, thats it. lol

 

[KidGamer65]

they aren't even comparable
prime Obito was on par with prime Kabuto... top5 tier
Kakashi can't do crap against that fire power... even with help from Naruto Bee and Gai he almost died


this sentence doesn't make sence

How? I said:

-If Kakashi can deal with Bakfu Rambu, he beats Obito.
-If he can't. Obito gets raped by Kakashi. Again.

 

[EZQ]

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Like i've said, in fundamental basics, Obito had close to no chance to defeat Kakashi

^^ This, Fire isn't doing nothing to kakashi, ask kakuzu if you don't believe me (fire + wind blast > obito's fire)

 

[Murasame]

2- Sharingan= Good reflexes (proof, he warped a susanoo arrow)
3- Read that chapter again, kakashi didn't dodge because he was looking at the floor confused
4- Obito has no rinnengan feats

2.Naruto dodged The 4th raikage at full speed.. I'm sure that's a better feat.
3. Who's fault is that? This was a fight do you expect Obito to let Kakashi regain his composure?
4. it was implied that he can use them but didn't because it would take a lot of chakra and because Naruto and company had knowledge on it but this time it's just Kakashi by himself.. Besides the OP Is giving Obito the Rinnegan Abilties.

 

[Flawž]

-Obito has NO Rinnegan feats.
-Gedo Mazo can't be summoned while in the Kamui dimension because it is another dimension.
-His Mokuton is shit and isn't doing any serious damage to someone who isn't a fodder.
-The only times he used impressive Mokuton, is when he had assistance.

If Kakashi can deal with Bakufu Rambu (Madara sized Katon) then he wins, if he can't then Obito gets raped, again.

So until someone tells me Kakashi's counter for Bakufu Rambu, Obito wins this time around.

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Obito did use the mokuton,

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[KidGamer65]

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Like i've said, in fundamental basics, Obito had close to no chance to defeat Kakashi

The only viable counter is the first one, using a smaller Suiton on a bigger Katon isn't a counter as the fire will overpower it. Using a small (In comparison) Doton Wall against a near Juubi sized Katon obviously isn't going to work either.

So, yeah. Obito gets raped. Again. lol.

 

[EZQ]

2.Naruto dodged The 4th raikage at full speed.. I'm sure that's a better feat.
3. Who's fault is that? This was a fight do you expect Obito to let Kakashi regain his composure?
4. it was implied that he can use them but didn't because it would take a lot of chakra and because Naruto and company had knowledge on it but this time it's just Kakashi by himself.. Besides the OP Is giving Obito the Rinnegan Abilties.

3. If we're talking of the last battle, were kakashi already were used to tobi=obito, thnen he wouldn't be confused
4. The one with knowledge about rinnengan is kakashi, not bee or naruto

 

[EZQ]

Obito did use the mokuton,

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1- Kakashi's reflexes with sharingan >>> any reflexes of those mist ninjas
2- Kakashi's foot speed >>> any speed of those fodder ninjas
3- Kakashi's feats on dodgins big and fasts atacks >>>>> Any feats of those fodder ninjas

 

[Flawž]

The only viable counter is the first one, using a smaller Suiton on a bigger Katon isn't a counter as the fire will overpower it. Using a small (In comparison) Doton Wall against a near Juubi sized Katon obviously isn't going to work either.

So, yeah. Obito gets raped. Again. lol.

Full chakra obito can use,

Soul removal Jutsu

Genjutsu that can control a perfect jin

Mokuton

Izanagi

 

[Optimistic]

Obito did use the mokuton,

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Obito was covered in Zetsu, this also further proves why Obito couldn't produce that amount of mokuton in the war.Obito without the aid of Zetsu is probably the worst Mokuton user in the series.

 

[Flawž]

1- Kakashi's reflexes with sharingan >>> any reflexes of those mist ninjas
2- Kakashi's foot speed >>> any speed of those fodder ninjas
3- Kakashi's feats on dodgins big and fasts atacks >>>>> Any feats of those fodder ninjas

i'm not saying kakashi is fodder, Im saying those same mokuton will be the end of kakashi.

 

[Flawž]

Obito was covered in Zetsu, this also further proves why Obito couldn't produce that amount of mokuton in the war.Obito without the aid of Zetsu is probably the worst Mokuton user in the series.

He still has zetsu in him.

Im talking about obito going all out, He would put in more chakra to produce more Mokuton

 

[Murasame]

3. If we're talking of the last battle, were kakashi already were used to tobi=obito, thnen he wouldn't be confused
4. The one with knowledge about rinnengan is kakashi, not bee or naruto

3. Either way it doesn't change anything unless you can show me something Kakashi can do to counter it? I mean Guy who wasn't in the same state in Kakashi was couldn't do anything like dodge it and he is faster than Kakashi.
4. Wrong they all had knowledge except maybe Bee but he experienced some of it against Nagato.. please don't make me look for the scan. Even if Kakashi has knowledge that doesn't mean he can counter all those techs.. or beat Obito.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

How? I said:

-If Kakashi can deal with Bakfu Rambu, he beats Obito.
-If he can't. Obito gets raped by Kakashi. Again.

missread
my bad
sry :O

 

[bigfatloser]

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Not fodder anymore is it?

That wasn't obitos mokuton it was his suits.

 

[Flawž]

If obito can use the most advance Rinnegan jutsu [Rinne tensei] which is the 7th Path tech, Why would he not be able to use a simple shinrai tensei or preta path?

Biased is biased.

 

[Flawž]

That wasn't obitos mokuton it was his suits.

he still has zetsu inside him and he did use it,

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[Optimistic]

He still has zetsu in him.

Im talking about obito going all out, He would put in more chakra to produce more Mokuton

Half of his body is Zetsu, the Obito in that scan had Zetsu as a armor.

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Obito doing that same amount against those fodder by adding more chakra is nothing but an assumption.

 

[EZQ]

3. Either way it doesn't change anything unless you can show me something Kakashi can do to counter it? I mean Guy who wasn't in the same state in Kakashi was couldn't do anything like dodge it and he is faster than Kakashi.
4. Wrong they all had knowledge except maybe Bee but he experienced some of it against Nagato.. please don't make me look for the scan. Even if Kakashi has knowledge that doesn't mean he can counter all those techs.. or beat Obito.

3- Kakashi DODGED FIRE+ WIND BLASTS (stronger than obito's fire) with just foot speed. BOOM
4- Kakashi is the smartes person alive, if he didn't have counter he wouldn't go jsut striking against 6 v2 jinjurickies

 

[KidGamer65]

He still has zetsu in him.

Im talking about obito going all out, He would put in more chakra to produce more Mokuton

Mokuton like that is sprouted from the body, which happens by converting Hashirama's cells into Mokuton. The more of his cells you have the more Mokuton that can be sprouted from the body. That's why Danzo's Mokuton only came from his arm. So being covered in Zetsu (Hashirama cells) gives him an advantage in the Mokuton department that he doesn't have w/o Zetsu.]

3- Kakashi DODGED FIRE+ WIND BLASTS (stronger than obito's fire) with just foot speed. BOOM
4- Kakashi is the smartes person alive, if he didn't have counter he wouldn't go jsut striking against 6 v2 jinjurickies

I agree that Katon won't be Kakashi's end, but the way you are explaining him countering it makes no sense at all.

Being able to evade something has nothing to do with the strength of the attack, its the size.

Obito's Juubi Sized katon is FAR FAR bigger (And thus stronger) than Kakuzu's Katon. So dodging the latter doesn't mean he can dodge the former.