Sandaime kazekage isn't THAT impressive

[AGoodBoy]

Sandaime Raikage isn't THAT impressive

This is in reference to the fact that he fought 10000 ninja for 3 days.

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1. Defeated hundreds to thousands of Km0 naruto clones
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3. Didn't try
4. didn't break a sweat

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1. defeated hundreds, If not thousands of shinobi
2. didn't take a single hit
3. didn't fight to kill
4. didn't break a sweat
5. took less than 24 hours (he doesn't have stamina to even last that long)

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1. Wiped out an entire clan - hundreds of people
2. Second strongest clan in history
3. Clan full of highly skilled, battle-adept shinobi from konoha police, etc. - jounin+
4. Itachi was no more than 16, if even that close
5. Took one night - less than 8 hours

Now, I understand that these aren't 10k Shinobi, but as we can see, no one in that list even took 12 hours to kill hundreds/thousands of shinobi. Some of the people in this list even defeated highly skilled opponents who'd give the average jounin some trouble.

Sandaime had

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To defeat 10k fodder shinobi. At best there were a handful of actually skilled opponents among them. No village has 10k highly skilled shinobi. That's even worse when you understand that he could 1 shot the average ninja with his finger, while not being fazed in the slightest by even some of the strongest attacks. Not even a team of 10 highly skilled jounin could injure this guy, and he's also shown that

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against him, yet 10k shinobi took him out? If he was really that impressive, those 10k shinobi would all be dead by 3 days. Naruto is kage level in the war, but only 'killed' him due to massive intel(talking to hachibi to understand scar, learn about his shield and spear, etc), which means that not even a kage level shinobi should be able to take him out on normal circumstances.

The average kage can't even last 24 hours of fighting, so even if there was a kage on the other team, they'd be exhausted as all ****. To even have comrades with him -- sure, they didn't fight since he was letting them escape. Don't see why they couldn't -- and yet lose to only that number of fodder... He should have been able to kill them all or escape.


Even Tobirama's feat of dying to 20 highly skilled bounty hunters was more impressive. At least he died to 20 jounin to S-Class shinobi. Not a platoon of useless nin and a handful of decent ones.

The third raikage dying to 10k nin isn't that impressive. For all we know, he only killed 5.
The only way this is even remotely impressive is if he was up against konoha and Tobirama, his squad, and an army of uchiha + senju were on the team.

 

[TheEvilOne]

You mean the Raikage, right?

 

[bl4ckJack]

I guess ... It was Raikage .. Not Kazekage O_O

 

[accept pain]

these are not proper arguments and proofs

 

[Xlad]

Sasuke only took out around a 1000 ninjas. Obito/Itachi killed many of their own, and they did not expect that it was going to be the end for them. KM0 Naruto that was fighting Sasuke is obviously stronger than his shadow clones. I disagree with Third Raikage not having that as an impressive feat.

 

[Exaar]

He fought 10K shinobi and survived for 3 Days and night, it took 10k Ninja to 3whole days to kill him. Obviously such an Arm would have Jonin and elites within it. You just assume an Army of 10k Ninja were all fodders.

I think your underrating just how powerful an army of 10k mixed with Chunin/Jonin/Maybe some elites, Actually is.

10k Ninja >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A 100 or so clones naruto used against kimi.

Sasuke's was quite impressive, Not not as impressive as sandaime's.

Itachi/Obito attacked at night with the element of surprise, When itachi/Obito take the uchiha clan head on then we will talk about it being impressive.

 

[Kazehokage]

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[AGoodBoy]

1. Naruto was a terrible match for him

2.they were folders also

3. the Raikage is one person itachi and obito are 2 people

Also i'm sure he could of taken on more ninjas

1) What, lol. Nothing in naruto's arsenal worked on him. All naruto did was redirect his arm. Anyone with naruto's intel could do that, even rubberband man.

2)wait, who was fodder?

3) I only added obito because i know the itachi haters would run in screaming "Obito helped! Obito Helped!" even though he was no where in sight. Itachi still killed a bunch of highly skilled shinobi without getting a scratch

more than 5? Maybe 6? Manga never stated how many he killed. Nothing to suggest he killed 9,999 and the last 1 killed him.

You mean the Raikage, right?

I guess ... It was Raikage .. Not Kazekage O_O

Shit, idk how that happened lmao. Yea,

Sasuke only took out around a 1000 ninjas. Obito/Itachi killed many of their own, and they did not expect that it was going to be the end for them. KM0 Naruto that was fighting Sasuke is obviously stronger than his shadow clones. I disagree with Third Raikage not having that as an impressive feat.

Yes, in less than a day. From the itachi fight alone we know that he doesn't even have 6 hours worth of chakra for that matter. He took a couple of hours without a single scratch or the slightest sign of effort. Raikage had 3 days. A 16 year old takes out thousands of nin in less than half a day but a grown ass man can't kill 10k in 3?
It doesn't matter if it were their own. They were the second strongest clan in history and a bunch of them were very skilled aduults in the police force. Itachi was at most a 14 year old (he was anbu leader at 13 and his dad was hinting coupe from since he was 10).
I only used that to show Km0 speed? As the numbers of clones dwindled, their feat would slowly come closer to that. By the time 5 km0 clones were left, it'd pretty much be at this level of feat.
Fair enough. I just don't see how dying is impressive. Tobirama dying to 20 nin weren't impressive either, and tobirama actually fought a list of highly skilled nin.

He fought 10K shinobi and survived for 3 Days and night, it took 10k Ninja to 3whole days to kill him. Obviously such an Arm would have Jonin and elites within it. You just assume an Army of 10k Ninja were all fodders.

I think your underrating just how powerful an army of 10k mixed with Chunin/Jonin/Maybe some elites, Actually is.

10k Ninja >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A 100 or so clones naruto used against kimi.

Sasuke's was quite impressive, Not not as impressive as sandaime's.

Itachi/Obito attacked at night with the element of surprise, When itachi/Obito take the uchiha clan head on then we will talk about it being impressive.

Umm what? I even said there'd be a handful of skilled ninja. Are you implying there were 10k jounin+ nin? Lmfao what village is this. not even konoha has 30+ skilled shinobi between their sannin, anbu, and jounin. 9970 fodder and at most 30 jounin, oooooh, impressive. Rasenshuriken couldn't faze him, but i'm sure that army had a bunch of tbb tossing shinobi.

The way you try to play off the 3 examples is funny. Let's think what's more impressive...
A <18 year old defeating 1000 chunnin+ clone in under 10 minutes
A 16 year old defeating(without killing) 1000+ chunnin+ nin in possibly no more than 2 hours
A 14 year old and 20 something year old wiping out the second strongest clan in history in less than 1 night

Or...
A Kage -- the strongest ninja in his village - struggling so much against 10k nin that he inevitably dies. What's worse is that it took 3 days. Sure, 3 him survivng 3 days is alright, but we need to remember that the average shinobi, and even the average kage can't fight for 24 hours. You need to be a special breed (madara, uzumaki or senju) to even last 24 hours of fighting. Most people can't last 12 hours. Look at gaara, he was exhausted as hell by the time he fought madara; 24 hours didn't pass yet, and gaara was a former jin...
After 2.5 days everyone on the other team should be faced down panting while raikage walks up with a kunai and stabs them 1 by 1. That's not that impressive of a feat to be used to try show his power.

It'd only be impressive if he was up against konoha - the only village who's even shown to use medical ninja in war, thus far.

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[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Sasuke owns. Minato would just r@pe them all less than the warping time of FTG.

 

[Hell Autarch]

I wonder which village had 10k shinobi. The entire Shinobi Alliance didn't have 10k shinobi >_>

 

[AGoodBoy]

Sasuke owns. Minato would just r@pe them all less than the warping time of FTG.

Ermm... This isn't the point of this thread... EMS Sasuke could probably win with enton spam, but minato would most likely just escape - at least not dying. I doubt minato would be taking on 10k nin on his own, but then again, gamabunta is enough of a force to kill 9k fodder nin on his own with a few water bullets. In other case, this doesn't really matter.

I wonder which village had 10k shinobi. The entire Shinobi Alliance didn't have 10k shinobi >_>

Err... They had over 80k...
During pain invasion, konoha had over 10k but like 10-30 were actually decent nin;
Kakashi, Guy, Tsunade, 4 anbu, K11, Shikaku, choji dad, kurenai, err... a few other jounin. But, someone like pain 1 shotted them all. Raikage who;

-Is faster than the average nin
-Can't be damaged by even some S-Level Abilities(kage abilities)
-Has an ability that'd blast a hole through your chest

Should've even been able to solo konoha without tsunade there healing people, or naruto coming along.

I'm not saying the guy isn't incredibly strong, but the fact that him dying to 10k shinobi, populated mostly by fodder, isn't that much of an impressive feat. It'd have been far more impressive if he died to someone like hanzo, madara, etc while leaving them with an injury.

1. kimimaro was an exceptional fighting at close range he was a close range fighter (even lee was no match) gara won because he is a long range righter

2. the thousand people he killed

3. itachi couldn't of done it alone even with the element of surprise

1. Well that was completely irrelevant... Gaara lost btw. He'd have died if not for the disease. Which shows that someone with impentrable defence, speed, and offence can even take on a semi-perfect jin. Raikage is pretty much kimimaro with an all around boost - well, maybe not taijutsu prowess but speed, defence, strength, etc.

2. Oh. Yes, but raikage fought at least 9000 fodder. Not even current SA has 1k decent nin. Wiping out 9k fodder is a low diff feat and i'm sure naruto wasn't there to cloak those fodder so they wouldn't die.

3. Well shit... this wasn't understood in the slightest... The point is, Itachi and obito didn't fight together. They weren't shown to be side by side fighting. Itachi killed some, obito killed some. The second strongest clan in history died to 2 guys from their clan. That's pretty much like 2 soldiers in the military straight up killing an entire division under the cover of night. That's just embarassing. Even with the element of surprise, you can't kill an entire clan with no diff. From the second 1 person dies, someone would scream and no entire clan is on alert.

 

[Hell Autarch]

Err... They had over 80k...
During pain invasion, konoha had over 10k but like 10-30 were actually decent nin;
Kakashi, Guy, Tsunade, 4 anbu, K11, Shikaku, choji dad, kurenai, err... a few other jounin. But, someone like pain 1 shotted them all. Raikage who;

-Is faster than the average nin
-Can't be damaged by even some S-Level Abilities(kage abilities)
-Has an ability that'd blast a hole through your chest

Should've even been able to solo konoha without tsunade there healing people, or naruto coming along.

I'm not saying the guy isn't incredibly strong, but the fact that him dying to 10k shinobi, populated mostly by fodder, isn't that much of an impressive feat. It'd have been far more impressive if he died to someone like hanzo, madara, etc while leaving them with an injury.

Oh yeah.. I forgot >_>

 

[grizzlyshree]

Re: Sandaime Raikage isn't THAT impressive

This is in reference to the fact that he fought 10000 ninja for 3 days.

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1. Defeated hundreds to thousands of Km0 naruto clones
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3. Didn't try
4. didn't break a sweat

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1. defeated hundreds, If not thousands of shinobi
2. didn't take a single hit
3. didn't fight to kill
4. didn't break a sweat
5. took less than 24 hours (he doesn't have stamina to even last that long)

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1. Wiped out an entire clan - hundreds of people
2. Second strongest clan in history
3. Clan full of highly skilled, battle-adept shinobi from konoha police, etc. - jounin+
4. Itachi was no more than 16, if even that close
5. Took one night - less than 8 hours

Now, I understand that these aren't 10k Shinobi, but as we can see, no one in that list even took 12 hours to kill hundreds/thousands of shinobi. Some of the people in this list even defeated highly skilled opponents who'd give the average jounin some trouble.

Sandaime had

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To defeat 10k fodder shinobi. At best there were a handful of actually skilled opponents among them. No village has 10k highly skilled shinobi. That's even worse when you understand that he could 1 shot the average ninja with his finger, while not being fazed in the slightest by even some of the strongest attacks. Not even a team of 10 highly skilled jounin could injure this guy, and he's also shown that

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against him, yet 10k shinobi took him out? If he was really that impressive, those 10k shinobi would all be dead by 3 days. Naruto is kage level in the war, but only 'killed' him due to massive intel(talking to hachibi to understand scar, learn about his shield and spear, etc), which means that not even a kage level shinobi should be able to take him out on normal circumstances.

The average kage can't even last 24 hours of fighting, so even if there was a kage on the other team, they'd be exhausted as all ****. To even have comrades with him -- sure, they didn't fight since he was letting them escape. Don't see why they couldn't -- and yet lose to only that number of fodder... He should have been able to kill them all or escape.


Even Tobirama's feat of dying to 20 highly skilled bounty hunters was more impressive. At least he died to 20 jounin to S-Class shinobi. Not a platoon of useless nin and a handful of decent ones.

The third raikage dying to 10k nin isn't that impressive. For all we know, he only killed 5.
The only way this is even remotely impressive is if he was up against konoha and Tobirama, his squad, and an army of uchiha + senju were on the team.

i think everybody were exhausted on the first day itself. to make more sense,he would have died against 5000 shinobis atleast. this is how it goes, let us assume the 3rd is as fast as A and kills 20 fodders in a minute. then he will be killing some 1200 shinobis(fodders mostly) by an hour and he would have had trouble with some jounin(100 may be) for half a day(just an assumption to justify his death). then he began killing some more fodders(an hour) and some jounin(100) for another halfday even then it makes atleast 5000 people to be alive by the second day by which they have become tired while hte 3rd is killing everybody.

it still doesnt make sense does it? or did Kishi miswrite it as 10000 instead of 1000?

 

[grizzlyshree]

and why didnt he escape? he would have easily escaped and why the **** would he fight for 3 days in the first place.

 

[AGoodBoy]

i think everybody were exhausted on the first day itself. to make more sense,he would have died against 5000 shinobis atleast. this is how it goes, let us assume the 3rd is as fast as A and kills 20 fodders in a minute. then he will be killing some 1200 shinobis(fodders mostly) by an hour and he would have had trouble with some jounin(100 may be) for half a day(just an assumption to justify his death). then he began killing some more fodders(an hour) and some jounin(100) for another halfday even then it makes atleast 5000 people to be alive by the second day by which they have become tired while hte 3rd is killing everybody.

it still doesnt make sense does it? or did Kishi miswrite it as 10000 instead of 1000?

and why didnt he escape? he would have easily escaped and why the **** would he fight for 3 days in the first place.

Exactly. Even if he took some time to kill people on the first day. By the second day, they'd be tired as hell and would be faaarrrr easier to kill. The fact that he lasted 3 days means he'd be at least 1/2 stamina by day 2 while everyone on the other team is like 10% stamina left sweating like dogs... I agree though, it actually doesn't make sense for his skillset.

It's unlikely it was some war, because it's unlikely there'd be 10k nin on the other team while his barely has any left... The hidden cloud has 2 jins, and 1 of them was pretty much a perfect jin at the time.

Last thing, I don't understand the last part either XD YTF would you fight for 3 days. After 2 hours your team would be far enough away, he could just start running. He'd be 1 of the fastest nins there in the first place. smfh it really doesn't make sense however you slice it unless infact he wasn't as impressive as we think.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

nice thread
only raikage fans will disagree with you

 

[grizzlyshree]

Exactly. Even if he took some time to kill people on the first day. By the second day, they'd be tired as hell and would be faaarrrr easier to kill. The fact that he lasted 3 days means he'd be at least 1/2 stamina by day 2 while everyone on the other team is like 10% stamina left sweating like dogs... I agree though, it actually doesn't make sense for his skillset.

It's unlikely it was some war, because it's unlikely there'd be 10k nin on the other team while his barely has any left... The hidden cloud has 2 jins, and 1 of them was pretty much a perfect jin at the time.

Last thing, I don't understand the last part either XD YTF would you fight for 3 days. After 2 hours your team would be far enough away, he could just start running. He'd be 1 of the fastest nins there in the first place. smfh it really doesn't make sense however you slice it unless infact he wasn't as impressive as we think.

ya if Kishi didnt mistype it then he votes for kumo.

 

[RyuSennin]

He was protecting his village, and he fought the hachibi and tied with it then sealed it

 

[grizzlyshree]

He was protecting his village, and he fought the hachibi and tied with it then sealed it

it is not his fight wit Hachibi that is being discussed, its actually about the 10,000 shinobi fight and his death.

 

[GOD2U]

I agree that he faced fodder but I believe it wasn't the shinobi rank or skill that killed him it was just that he was so exhausted from killing constant waves of shinobi for three days straight that he just gave out and a couple of highly skilled shinobi finished him off.