How well would've Sasuke done if he had the EMS in the Five Kage Summit?

[H8OnItachi]

The actual line-up was this:

1. A

2. Gaara

3. Mei

4. Ōnoki

He didn't fight them at the same time.

So with his best form of Susano'o, he'd bring them all down hard and fast.

This basically ended the thread, anybody who thinks any of the gokage can take down ems sasuke 1v1 is either nuts or ridicoulusly underrating sasuke-overrating the kages.

To explain further, if this is a non-canon situation where its the exact same turn of events, but instead its current sasuke breaking into 5KS it goes this way:

- A gets buttraped, current sasuke has no problem mantaining Lvl 4 susanoo, and the raikage being the idiot he is wont be aware of any genjutsu sasuke might be able to pull off, also continuous magatamas will burn the battlefield eliminating A's advantage when he cant even move.
- Gaara, how the hell is he supposed to counter a jutsu that, to dodge, was necessary a Version1 A? The sand wont be quick enough, aoda can do it in a similar way.
- Mei has no chance, last time sasuke was tired from fighting 2 kages as an inexperienced MS user, EMS takes both disadvantages out of the equation: inexperience and lack of stamina, ama one shots, again.
- Ohnoki is probably the only problem since at this point sasuke is forced into MS techs to take him down, due to jinton, he has to take him out quick, but honestly, im overrating him, an arrow or magtama seals the deal.

That is, of course, assuming all the situation happens in the same sequence as in canon 5KS, hipothetically, the kages knowing A was murdered should go and help gaara, turning it into 3v1 or a 4v1 if danzo helps, in the former sasuke pulls in mid diff, the latter is high diff due to danzo > 3 kages probably.

He woulda still lost, the only reason madara was so cocky and beat them was because he was edo WITH Unlimited chakra...

Tell me a single part of the fight bar when madara released PS that he went serious, hell regeneration didnt even make crap of a difference, and the unlimited chakra part...umm senju are known for huge chakra reserves, madara has senju cells, logic.

 

[SandBurial]

When Sasuke has used Susanoo Arrow in the past it has been defended against through the use of Space/Time Kamui and Danzo's Mokuton style. The Mokuton style is the closest to representing Gaara's Sand defense so this is what I will reference. The Susanoo Arrow when fired has been shown to give little to no time to react. Danzo's and Kakashi both admitted to not being capable of dodging it[

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]. They relied on Kamui and Mokuton. Gaara's defense being involuntary will be capable of setting up a defense to protect Gaara in time. This little amount of time may not allow Gaara's sand to gather tons of sand for this defense.

Now when it comes to successful defences against the Susanoo Arrow Danzo's case can be conjured. He stopped the Susanoo Arrow from making contact with his body. Sadly, The Mokuton was not capable of blocking the Susanoo Arrow it was deflected[

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]. In the second illustration posted it is essential that you close consider how successful this defense once. It was able to alter the course of the Susanoo Arrow but look how close the Arrow is to Danzo's body. It was alter but truly not by much. You then have to make a comparison between Gaara's Sand Defense density and the Mokuton Tree's density. The Mokuton is clearly a more dense substance.

If Gaara relies on his Sand for simply blocking the Arrow he will be killed. Now to take into account the Enton coating. When Gaara blocked the Enton you can see how the Sand is become runny[

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Whether Gaara has enough time to gather the sand in place is not the issue (see how quickly he defended against Deidara's c3 at the very moment it blew) The issue is whether or not he has enough sand to properly defend at the moment Sasuke decides to use the arrow, but I understand what you're saying.

That was a measly limb that got blown apart though, Gaara's best sand feats usually incorporate large amounts of it.

With this, you're suggesting Sasuke's arrow > five Madara Susanoo swords. It took five to drop him, not even fatally wound him, but Sasuke's arrow is sure death? Unlikely.
And what of Sasuke's more recent feats concerning the arrow? How do you explain it getting stuck in a boulder as opposed to plowing through it?

 

[Microsword57]

Whether Gaara has enough time to gather the sand in place is not the issue (see how quickly he defended against Deidara's c3 at the very moment it blew) The issue is whether or not he has enough sand to properly defend at the moment Sasuke decides to use the arrow, but I understand what you're saying.

That was a measly limb that got blown apart though, Gaara's best sand feats usually incorporate large amounts of it.

With this, you're suggesting Sasuke's arrow > five Madara Susanoo swords. It took five to drop him, not even fatally wound him, but Sasuke's arrow is sure death? Unlikely.

We can not essentially state that Gaara blocked 5 Susanoo. We can say that Madara used 5 Susanoo Swords to overwhelm Gaara's defense. Gaara's sand did in fact cushion the blow and block 1 Susanoo Sword completely. These are feats I would not dare strip Gaara of. I am also not stating that Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow is greater or inflicts Greater Damage than the 5 of Madara's Susanoo Swords. What I will state is that the Susanoo Arrow has much greater penetration power. Gaara's defense has shown to be quite amazing when blocking impacts.

It seems to always pulled through for him for example blocking impacts such as Madara's Susanoo Magatamas[

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]. The Sand also demonstrated great speed feats and feats of blocking impacting once again when blocking the Raikage's Leg drop[

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]. Gaara's Sand has great defensive capabilities when it comes down to impact but the Susanoo Arrow is something focused on penetration and penetration specializes in infiltration of defenses. The best example of penetration versus impact is the Chidori and Rasengan. During their exchange in combat on the hospital rooftop. They were both flung towards tanks filled with water[

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]. Sasuke's arm went extremely deep into the container while Naruto's did not. Naruto's blew up the backside[

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]. Gaara's defense is great for blocking things such as Rasengan but not Chidori[

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[The Robot With Human Hair]

I'm sitting here looking at the official manga (the one true fans actually purchase and not online mistranslations) and it says amaterasu. Sit it down.

Yeah, yeah, love the condescending tone. Must make ya feel special.

Anyways, same thing, enton controls Amaterasu, he'd still be using enton regardless, as he never summoned Amaterasu a second time unless he did it off panel, which could be possible. Does Gaara's sand match Ay in speed? That's the only way I see it blocking.

 

[SandBurial]

We can not essentially state that Gaara blocked 5 Susanoo. We can say that Madara used 5 Susanoo Swords to overwhelm Gaara's defense. Gaara's sand did in fact cushion the blow and block 1 Susanoo Sword completely. These are feats I would not dare strip Gaara of. I am also no stating that Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow is greater or inflicts Greater Damage than the 5 of Madara's Susanoo Swords. What I will state is that the Susanoo Arrow has much greater penetration power. Gaara's defense has shown to be quite amazing when blocking impacts.

It seems to always pulled through for him for example blocking impacts such as Madara's Susanoo Magatamas[

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]. The Sand also demonstrated great speed feats and feats of blocking impacting once again when blocking the Raikage's Leg drop. Gaara's Sand has great defensive capabilities when it comes down to impact but the Susanoo Arrow is something focused on penetration and penetration specializes in infiltration of defenses. The best example of penetration versus impact is the Chidori and Rasengan. During their exchange in combat on the hospital rooftop. They were both flung towards tanks filled with water[

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]. Sasuke's arm when extremely deep into the container while Naruto's did not. Naruto's blew up the backside[

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]. Gaara's defense is great for blocking things such as Rasengan but not Chidori[

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I didn't say Gaara blocked it, hence me referring to him as being "dropped" but the fact that five Susanoo's were used to overwhelm as opposed to utterly annihilate is a feat in itsef. And yeah, I've noticed that penetrative attacks work best against Gaara's defenses, but you have to infer that Gaara's sand capabilities have increased far beyond the time of the chunin exams, so I'm afraid that's invalid. Also, in quoting me, you left off my counterargument concerning Sasuke's piercing capabilities. So, I take it you can't counter that.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Go buy the official volume, then come back and apologize. Until then, don't quote me. I don't wanna hear about you personally see when the manga has already proved your vision to be utter sh*t.

Jeez, lighten up. I never talked about myself personally, I have no idea what you're on about.

 

[SandBurial]

Jeez, lighten up. I never talked about myself personally, I have no idea what you're on about.

I was referring to how you "see it" when the manga has already shown otherwise.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

I was referring to how you "see it" when the manga has already shown otherwise.

Well, seriously, you could retort and not act elitist and condescending. You know, have an actual discussion on the subject matter. I was attempting to not present it factually and leave it open to countering.

 

[KyuubiHatake]

he wouldve held his own n came out on top at the end. but it wouldve been a very difficult fight

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Onnki would still kill him

 

[crono0929]

Tell me a single part of the fight bar when madara released PS that he went serious, hell regeneration didnt even make crap of a difference, and the unlimited chakra part...umm senju are known for huge chakra reserves, madara has senju cells, logic.

He has senju cells, but he is not a SENJU, and neither is SASUKE

LOGIC.

And there were points in the fight of madara and the kage, where being edo saved madara.

 

[Microsword57]

I didn't say Gaara blocked it, hence me referring to him as being "dropped" but the fact that five Susanoo's were used to overwhelm as opposed to utterly annihilate is a feat in itsef. And yeah, I've noticed that penetrative attacks work best against Gaara's defenses, but you have to infer that Gaara's sand capabilities have increased far beyond the time of the chunin exams, so I'm afraid that's invalid. Also, in quoting me, you left off my counterargument concerning Sasuke's piercing capabilities. So, I take it you can't counter that.

Apologizes, I did not know you responded and also I was not comparing or even inferring in the slightest that Chidori was what he was using to penetrate his Sand Defense I was using that as an example of how penetration gets through rather than impact. Of Course, Gaara's sand defense has become stronger. Gaara's Sand simply can not defend against something with such piercing power as the Susanoo Arrow. Especially when it is covered in Enton seeing as the Penetration is implied to increase and Enton makes the Sand runny. These are things I cover in my first post. When it comes to the incident with Kabuto the Susanoo Arrow did when it was intended to do. It's purpose is to Pierce;Penetrate;The point of the Arrow is not shown in this scan because it has penetrated through the pillar as designed[

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]. In the next page of the Manga you see the point of the Arrow in the top left scan. You see the front of Susanoo and the backside of kabuto showing that the Arrow actually penetrated completely through the pillar and that was its job[

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]. Remember what I said about penetration and impact[

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]. Naruto's rasengan symbolizing impact is designed to destroy the whole pillar while Sasuke's Chidori symbolizing penetration only goes through it which in this case is the Susanoo Arrow.

 

[H8OnItachi]

He has senju cells, but he is not a SENJU, and neither is SASUKE

LOGIC.

And there were points in the fight of madara and the kage, where being edo saved madara.

Senju: body of the Sage, they inherit his life force
Uchiha: ''eyes'' of the sage, tho it mutated to the sharingan.

The rinnegan is achieved by having both powers of the senju and the uchiha, which madara had, ergo, he has traits that distinguish a senju, aka strong body and large chakra reserves.

Please, scan or link to where madara was actually cornered against the gokage?

 

[Stark]

He'd kill Ay before the rest could join, then go to where the other Kages are and eventually lose. They take him at High Diff, but Sasuke kills Mei and a few of the guards.

 

[SandBurial]

Apologizes, I did not know you responded and also I was not comparing or even inferring in the slightest that Chidori was what he was using to penetrate his Sand Defense I was using that as an example of how penetration gets through rather than impact. Of Course, Gaara's sand defense has become stronger. Gaara's Sand simply can not defend against something with such piercing power as the Susanoo Arrow. Especially when it is covered in Enton seeing as the Penetration is implied to increase and Enton makes the Sand runny. These are things I cover in my first post. When it comes to the incident with Kabuto the Susanoo Arrow did when it was intended to do. It's purpose is to Pierce;Penetrate;The point of the Arrow is not shown in this scan because it has penetrated through the pillar as designed[

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]. In the next page of the Manga you see the point of the Arrow in the top left scan. You see the front of Susanoo and the backside of kabuto showing that the Arrow actually penetrated completely through the pillar and that was its job[

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]. Remember what I said about penetration and impact[

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]. Naruto's rasengan symbolizing impact is designed to destroy the whole pillar while Sasuke's Chidori symbolizing penetration only goes through it which in this case is the Susanoo Arrow.

It's cool, but I'm afraid there's no proof supporting that claim, as throughout all of part 2, we haven't seen Gaara in a situation where his sand has been penetrated. However, Gaara's final battle of part 1 displayed penetrative resilience, as Kimimaro attempted to ram his bone structure through Gaara's defenses and failed. I'm not at all comparing that to Sasuke's arrow, just noting SOME resiliency feats, and this was before the timeskip.

I'll have to re-read to see exactly what purpose the arrow served, but up until now, I'm simply unimpressed and not entirely convinced it'll slip through. All we can do is speculate really.

 

[Microsword57]

It's cool, but I'm afraid there's no proof supporting that claim, as throughout all of part 2, we haven't seen Gaara in a situation where his sand has been penetrated. However, Gaara's final battle of part 1 displayed penetrative resilience, as Kimimaro attempted to ram his bone structure through Gaara's defenses and failed. I'm not at all comparing that to Sasuke's arrow, just noting SOME resiliency feats, and this was before the timeskip.

I'll have to re-read to see exactly what purpose the arrow served, but up until now, I'm simply unimpressed and not entirely convinced it'll slip through. All we can do is speculate really.

The Clash between Gaara's defense and Kimimaro is one of the specific reasons I do not say Chidori could penetrate but think of it this way. Gaara's defense in part 2 has not shown to be penetrated and Susanoo Arrow has shown to penetrate everything it has hit. The thing that edges over Susanoo Arrow is the fact that it has penetrated through Mokuton Wood which is much more dense than Gaara's Sand. The speed has been praised for being unavoidable and speed is a major component in penetration[

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]. The faster something is going the more momentum the more difficult it is to stop the moving object. To put a point on something with enormous momentum gives it penetration properties. The Sharper the point and more velocity means the more penetration. Sharp + Velocity=Penetration. This is why it penetrates, and to add the Enton which has shown to make the sand more fluid-like adding the Enton furthermore seals the deal.

 

[Takeshi Uzumaki]

Although i usually dont like how u n macho fanfap over sasuke, i must agree that with EMS sasuke would most likely had made it out without help. It could go 2 ways. Kages win with atleast 2 dying very high difficulty. Or sasuke wins EXTREMELY high difficulty

 

[SandBurial]

The Clash between Gaara's defense and Kimimaro is one of the specific reasons I do not say Chidori could penetrate but think of it this way. Gaara's defense in part 2 has not shown to be penetrated and Susanoo Arrow has shown to penetrate everything it has hit. The thing that edges over Susanoo Arrow is the fact that it has penetrated through Mokuton Wood which is much more dense than Gaara's Sand. The speed has been praised for being unavoidable and speed is a major component in penetration[

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]. The faster something is going the more momentum the more difficult it is to stop the moving object. To put a point on something with enormous momentum gives it penetration properties. The Sharper the point and more velocity means the more penetration. Sharp + Velocity=Penetration. This is why it penetrates, and to add the Enton which has shown to make the sand more fluid-like adding the Enton furthermore seals the deal.

Amaterasu was shown to burn everything it hit..until it met with Gaara's sand. Do you have a scan of the sand becoming more fluid-like or runny? I must've missed this.

I'm aware of the technicalities, but once again, Danzo managed to spurt a limb out last minute. Gaara amasses a large amount of sand from the Earth's hardest minerals, infuses it with chakra (a varying amount to fit the situation I'm sure) and you have a defense that has yet to be penetrated. Sorry, but until it actually happens in the manga, there is no definite outcome to this. Also, I don't see how flames that aren't even solid increase piercing accuracy, or even form spikes for that matter. So, basically, it's manga > logic.

 

[Microsword57]

Amaterasu was shown to burn everything it hit..until it met with Gaara's sand. Do you have a scan of the sand becoming more fluid-like or runny? I must've missed this.

I'm aware of the technicalities, but once again, Danzo managed to spurt a limb out last minute. Gaara amasses a large amount of sand from the Earth's hardest minerals, infuses it with chakra (a varying amount to fit the situation I'm sure) and you have a defense that has yet to be penetrated. Sorry, but until it actually happens in the manga, there is no definite outcome to this. Also, I don't see how flames that aren't even solid increase piercing accuracy, or even form spikes for that matter. So, basically, it's manga > logic.

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Notice the Sand holding the flames is runny and dripping. The sand also instead of blocking the flames as a wall indents and appears to be softened. The flames clearly show a difference in Sharpness in the Susanoo Arrow than the original[

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]. The Enton Sword made solely of Amaterasu flames showed to have clear piercing capabilities alone[

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], to in twine them together clearly as shown in previous scans to be sharper. The Sharper something is the greater it's penetration capabilities. These are things I mentioned in my previous posts I am not saying anything new.

 

[RNITBmsage]

he would have been killed