Obito is weaker than Kakashi

[Kettei]

Lol no dude. Just no.

 

[johnny335704]

I agree. As long as it is 1v1 for Obito & Kakashi, Kakashi wins. But Obito with 6 paths & Gedo Mezo wins against Kakashi.

 

[Moegi of Akatsuki]

Bakufu Ranbu would have been too much for Kakashi to handle, yet Obito didn't use it against him.

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yet instead he utilizes a basic, easily dodgeable Katon

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Bakufu Ranbu is used in conjunction with Kamui.
Can he use it insdie the dimension?

 

[Bogard]

No. [

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]. I also hope you know that those two were pure teleportation feats. The intangibility portion (which still constitutes as Kamui) is instantaneous.

He stated himself that Kakashi's kamui was faster than his own(to release the stake). Are you going to try to contradict with manga statements? Not only Kakashi's kamui was faster than his own, but he infact saw nothing at all despite Sharingan and Rinnengan vision

Key word: Tied. Canonically, Kakashi's feats in genjutsu are inferior to Obito.

And the point is? Fact is that they had a genjutsu battle and it ended in a tie, yes or no?

No, take for instance the scans above. Reaction time,

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Indirect comparison is irrelevant. We had a direct comparison with both contenders facing each others and Kakashi surpassed him in speed/taijutsu/skills, yes or no?
In case you forgot, this is what happened

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I would agree to an extent. But just because you're more intelligent doesn't mean you are stronger.

Intelligence means you have more chances to outsmart the other and thus finding opportunities to win

I hope you know Rinnegan counts as ninjutsu...

Rinnengan he never used in battle and has never shown to be capable to use besides outer path

Most definitely not. Obito was simultaneously fighting Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and B without them even touching him for the most part. I highly doubt Kakashi can accomplish such a feat.

He only accomplished that thanks to kamui's intangibility. He would have been fodderised if not that. Not only that, but they also had no knowledge on the working of the jutsu. After getting knowledge, Kakashi stated himself that fighting him

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and we quickly saw the result when after 2exchanges, Kakashi was already capable to kill him

Outside of Kamui's dimension (before Kakashi's chakra and health were replenished by Kurama), Obito was besting him in taijutsu [

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]. But like a lot of things, you choose to ignore these instances in favor of your boy Kakashi.

You mean he was besting a tired Kakashi who only spent his time try to talk with his opponent rather than fighting? Seriously you're really trying to use that as a feat?

Kakashi was also fighting since 2days long. Meanwhile Obito was chilling during the entire day doing nothing. Even before facing Tailed Beast, Kakashi already mentioned the fact he was worrying about his chakra reserves. So the chakra he received only compensated the amount of chakra he used fighting during an entire day before

Not only that, but you obviously also forget to mention that Kakashi fought multiple tailed beasts as well even before fighting Obito. He doesn't have Senju DNA gave to him by Madara helping him to fight for an eternity without needing to eat and drink him

That's hilarious. I'd love for you to find the "multiple" instances Kakashi had a chance to kill him. I've only seen once, as shown, but it was with the aid of Naruto. I hope you know Obito had chance to kill Kakashi well. Instead of slashing the chest of Kakashi, he could have pierced him in the above image. But again, you choose to ignore it.

It's stated in the manga, isn't that right? It's stated by Obito himself, isn't that right? The battle was some times off-panelled, isn't that right? So how do you know when and what happened during those off-panel times? Kakashi was aid by Naruto? Obito was aid by multiple tailed beasts that weren't even his to begin with(thanks Kabuto here)

Admitted defeat in a clearly circumstantial fight. Obito had no access to Kamui, his main fighting technique. His Katon was substantially weaker when it has been shown to be much greater. Obito was clearly drained of chakra as well, unlike Kakashi whose Chakra was replenished by Kurama. Kakashi shouldn't have been able to use Rakiri and Kamui that many times in this war, but he was able to due to plot reasons. I'd love to see how well Minato does without Hiraishingiri.

Once again, Obito has Senju DNA that helps someone to live for long without eating and drinking. Stamina is not a problem when you have senju dna. It's poor excuse. Kakashi on the contrary was fighting for 2days even before facing Obito and his army of Edo Jinchurikis. The chakra replenished by Kurama can only compensate the amount of chakra he used during an entire day when Obito was chilling doing nothing

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Kakashi asked Obito to stop the genjutsu, he didn't break out of it

He said "let us stop the genjutsu". Both were using genjutsu. They were in a genjutsu battle. Only that Kakashi was tired of it and wanted to finish things really quickly, he had no time to waste with futilities. It's the exact same thing that happened during the Itachi vs Sasuke duel when Sasuke asked Itachi

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during their genjutsu battle

Kakashi had his chakra replenished by Kurama twice

He also fought during an entire day before even facing Obito when Obito was chilling at home doing nothing. Even before facing Jinchurikis, he was already complaining about his chakra reserves. Yet he still continued to fight with his small chakra reserve until Kurama gave him the necessary chakra to compensate all what he had been doing in the war before when Obito was doing nothing

Obito had just as many moments to kill kakashi but chose to monologue.....kakashi could have killed Obito when he was busy fighting Naruto and Kakashi was in the dimension

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He had moments to kill a tired and emotional Kakashi trying to talk with his bloodlusted friend more than fighting, nothing really glorifying, more like underwhelming

For the rest, read above. I don't like to repeat myself

 

[Lightbringer]

Bakufu Ranbu is used in conjunction with Kamui.
Can he use it insdie the dimension?

well he could still warp in and out of there, so yeah.

the only thing he can't do is become transparent most likely.

 

[Lightbringer]

He stated himself that Kakashi's kamui was faster than his own(to release the stake). Are you going to try to contradict with manga statements? Not only Kakashi's kamui was faster than his own, but he infact saw nothing at all despite Sharingan and Rinnengan vision

And the point is? Fact is that they had a genjutsu battle and it ended in a tie, yes or no?

Indirect comparison is irrelevant. We had a direct comparison with both contenders facing each others and Kakashi surpassed him in speed/taijutsu/skills, yes or no?
In case you forgot, this is what happened

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Intelligence means you have more chances to outsmart the other and thus finding opportunities to win

Rinnengan he never used in battle and has never shown to be capable to use besides outer path

He only accomplished that thanks to kamui's intangibility. He would have been fodderised if not that. Not only that, but they also had no knowledge on the working of the jutsu. After getting knowledge, Kakashi stated himself that fighting him

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and we quickly saw the result when after 2exchanges, Kakashi was already capable to kill him

You mean he was besting a tired Kakashi who only spent his time try to talk with his opponent rather than fighting? Seriously you're really trying to use that as a feat?

Kakashi was also fighting since 2days long. Meanwhile Obito was chilling during the entire day doing nothing. Even before facing Tailed Beast, Kakashi already mentioned the fact he was worrying about his chakra reserves. So the chakra he received only compensated the amount of chakra he used fighting during an entire day before

Not only that, but you obviously also forget to mention that Kakashi fought multiple tailed beasts as well even before fighting Obito. He doesn't have Senju DNA gave to him by Madara helping him to fight for an eternity without needing to eat and drink him

It's stated in the manga, isn't that right? It's stated by Obito himself, isn't that right? The battle was some times off-panelled, isn't that right? So how do you know when and what happened during those off-panel times? Kakashi was aid by Naruto? Obito was aid by multiple tailed beasts that weren't even his to begin with(thanks Kabuto here)

Once again, Obito has Senju DNA that helps someone to live for long without eating and drinking. Stamina is not a problem when you have senju dna. It's poor excuse. Kakashi on the contrary was fighting for 2days even before facing Obito and his army of Edo Jinchurikis. The chakra replenished by Kurama can only compensate the amount of chakra he used during an entire day when Obito was chilling doing nothing

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He said "let us stop the genjutsu". Both were using genjutsu. They were in a genjutsu battle. Only that Kakashi was tired of it and wanted to finish things really quickly, he had no time to waste with futilities. It's the exact same thing that happened during the Itachi vs Sasuke duel when Sasuke asked Itachi

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during their genjutsu battle


He also fought during an entire day before even facing Obito when Obito was chilling at home doing nothing. Even before facing Jinchurikis, he was already complaining about his chakra reserves. Yet he still continued to fight with his small chakra reserve until Kurama gave him the necessary chakra to compensate all what he had been doing in the war before when Obito was doing nothing

He had moments to kill a tired and emotional Kakashi trying to talk with his bloodlusted friend more than fighting, nothing really glorifying, more like underwhelming

For the rest, read above. I don't like to repeat myself

you keep bringing up a "tired" kakashi

Obito was probably tired to some degree too. He was fighting non-stop Naruto, Bee, Guy, Kakashi and then the shinobi alliance, then kakashi.

No breaks in between.

Kakashi may have smaller reserves, but as I said before, he had his chakra replenished and Obito didn't.

So Kakashi defeating a tired Obito isn't glorifying either.

Kakashi having multiple chances to kill Obito was when Obito was fighting Naruto and Kakashi was in kamui land.....that doesn't mean Kakashi was stronger at all....just that he had the opportunity to kill him and chose not to

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Again, Kakashi didn't break out of the genjutsu. As I recall, when Sasuke said let's stop with genjutsu, it was still a genjutsu afterwards and Sasuke didn't realize it.


Also you made no mention of the Mokuton scan I posted or Bakufu Ranbu in your other comments so?

 

[Fodder#4]

XD That was pretty funny. "Once a *****" Lol. . .!

 

[TheEvilOne]

Can't wait the moment when Madara stomps the shit out of Kakashi and finally kills him. Not even the plot no jutsu will be able to save him.

 

[Mitarashi]

Obito was weak as hell at the time of the fight, but kakashi won.

Plot no jutsu, deal with it.

 

[Bogard]

Obito was probably tired to some degree too. He was fighting non-stop Naruto, Bee, Guy, Kakashi and then the shinobi alliance, then kakashi.

Once again, Obito has Senju DNA that helps to live without even eating or drinking. Stamina was never a problem. He can fight for decades, it would change nothing. Kakashi on the contrary has a limited chakra and stamina and was even fighting a day long even before facing Obito

Kakashi may have smaller reserves, but as I said before, he had his chakra replenished and Obito didn't.

So Kakashi defeating a tired Obito isn't glorifying either.

Chakra =/= stamina. It doesn't remove tiredness. Kakashi was still tired despite having more chakra. Obito doesn't need his chakra reserve to be replenish since his stamina would always remain the same because of Hashirama senju DNA. He has shown no sign of tiredness since the battle started. Kakashi did. Obito got his ass kicked by a tired Kakashi, it's a fact that you just refuse to accept

Again, Kakashi didn't break out of the genjutsu. As I recall, when Sasuke said let's stop with genjutsu, it was still a genjutsu afterwards and Sasuke didn't realize it.

Never said someone broke something. I said they were battling in genjutsu, which means that when one uses a genjutsu, the other counters with another and so on. It's for that reason that at some point, Kakashi was tired of it and asked Obito to fight seriously and forget about futilities that would never work, only used to waste time like genjutsu

Also you made no mention of the Mokuton scan I posted or Bakufu Ranbu in your other comments so?

Simply because they are irrelevant, especially the mokuton, since his mokuton is fodder level even compared to someone like Yamato who is far from an expert Mokuton user. He used a katon in latest manga in case you forgot. Only that Kakashi was faster so he dodged it easily and bested Obito

Can't wait the moment when Madara stomps the shit out of Kakashi and finally kills him. Not even the plot no jutsu will be able to save him.

It reminds me when you stated that you were waiting Obito to kill Kakashi. Seems that your dreams would always remain dreams unfortunately lol

 

[FleeOnSight]

Eh this is why I don't come to this site that much anymore. Obito clearly lost in the manga yet people are making excuses for the guy. HE LOST. That's all there is too it. Its not that hard to comprehend that Kakashi is a all around better shinobi than Obito who rely on one jutsu. Take away both MS from them and Kakashi is superior. That was proven in the recent chapter.

I'm a fan of both Obito and Kakashi. Always felt that Kakashi was stronger only because Obito just uses one tech while Kakashi uses multiple techs. Also Kakashi is severely underrated on this forum. It's kind of mind blowing as he has proven himself to be top 10 on multiple occasions yet that has always been ignored. Why? Idk...

 

[Draphsin]

Jinchuuriki paths > Kakashi

Why you trollin?

 

[kakashi owns all]

another good tread

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tieing in gen with obito is no joke he controled a perfect jin and sasuke with ms could not do that

 

[Lightbringer]

Once again, Obito has Senju DNA that helps to live without even eating or drinking. Stamina was never a problem. He can fight for decades, it would change nothing. Kakashi on the contrary has a limited chakra and stamina and was even fighting a day long even before facing Obito

Chakra =/= stamina. It doesn't remove tiredness. Kakashi was still tired despite having more chakra. Obito doesn't need his chakra reserve to be replenish since his stamina would always remain the same because of Hashirama senju DNA. He has shown no sign of tiredness since the battle started. Kakashi did. Obito got his ass kicked by a tired Kakashi, it's a fact that you just refuse to accept

Never said someone broke something. I said they were battling in genjutsu, which means that when one uses a genjutsu, the other counters with another and so on. It's for that reason that at some point, Kakashi was tired of it and asked Obito to fight seriously and forget about futilities that would never work, only used to waste time like genjutsu

Simply because they are irrelevant, especially the mokuton, since his mokuton is fodder level even compared to someone like Yamato who is far from an expert Mokuton user. He used a katon in latest manga in case you forgot. Only that Kakashi was faster so he dodged it easily and bested Obito

It reminds me when you stated that you were waiting Obito to kill Kakashi. Seems that your dreams would always remain dreams unfortunately lol

Kakashi was had max chakra, Naruto even gave him extra with the kyuubi cloak right before fighting Obito 1v1 and Obito wasn't in peak condition.....that means a full 100% Obito would have a better advantage

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Obito has been fighting for well over 24 hours....Madara and Hashirama fought for about the same amount of time and it showed Hashirama(a man composed of senju DNA) get tired within that time. So yeah, Obito was indeed tired

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What are you talking about? Mokuton could have defeated Kakashi. Just look at the panel....

When Kakashi was charging at Obito with the lightning kunai, Obito could have simply caught that arm with mokuton(like he did with Naruto) and simultaneously counter with extruding the chakra rod from the same hand and stab Kakashi.

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As for Bakufu Ranbu, when Obito used it, Kakashi had no way of countering or dodging it simply due to its scale. He was literally standing in place alongside Guy until Naruto saved them.

Obito instead used the most basic Katon(the one that every Uchiha has) Kakashi has dodged that Katon before from Itachi, and so have others.

You can't compare those 2 techniques since Bakufu Ranbu outclasses Katon: Goukakyuu No Jutsu

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[yoshimyke]

yes obito is way stronger than kakashi

 

[TheSages456]

these excuses that obito fans are making up are pathetic.

they cant back up their assertions that obito was tired with a manga panel or statement.
they cant back up their assertions that obito was holding back.
they definitely dont have the authority to say that obito without kamui is stronger than kakashi since we already saw this in the manga. does every obito fanboy think they are kishi? what the hell are they complaining for?

kishi made kakashi beat obito, so he is stronger. no ifs, ands or buts.

 

[Lightbringer]

these excuses that obito fans are making up are pathetic.

they cant back up their assertions that obito was tired with a manga panel or statement.
they cant back up their assertions that obito was holding back.
they definitely dont have the authority to say that obito without kamui is stronger than kakashi since we already saw this in the manga. does every obito fanboy think they are kishi? what the hell are they complaining for?

kishi made kakashi beat obito, so he is stronger. no ifs, ands or buts.

Kakashi had his chakra replenished twice and right before the battle too

Obito has been fighting for about 24 hours.....when Hashirama fought Madara for 24 hours, they both got tired too

how's that not proof?

 

[kakashi owns all]

these excuses that obito fans are making up are pathetic.

they cant back up their assertions that obito was tired with a manga panel or statement.
they cant back up their assertions that obito was holding back.
they definitely dont have the authority to say that obito without kamui is stronger than kakashi since we already saw this in the manga. does every obito fanboy think they are kishi? what the hell are they complaining for?

kishi made kakashi beat obito, so he is stronger. no ifs, ands or buts.

that clearly wrong obito was trying his best to kill kakashi without question

 

[TheSages456]

Kakashi had his chakra replenished twice and right before the battle too

doesnt matter. we saw the claok disappear before he went in the dimension anyway.

Obito has been fighting for about 24 hours.....when Hashirama fought Madara for 24 hours, they both got tired too

where did you get 24 hours? hashirama and madara use jutsus on a completely different scale than obito. you are going to need to prove that the kamui that obito casually uses on the regular even when hes not fighting, is more chakra taxing than hashirama and madaras techniques.

how's that not proof?

its merely a baseless assertion. thats why. making excuses to justify your favorite character losing isnt an intelligent way to read the manga.

 

[Lightbringer]

doesnt matter. we saw the claok disappear before he went in the dimension anyway.

where did you get 24 hours? hashirama and madara use jutsus on a completely different scale than obito. you are going to need to prove that the kamui that obito casually uses on the regular even when hes not fighting, is more chakra taxing than hashirama and madaras techniques.

its merely a baseless assertion. thats why. making excuses to justify your favorite character losing isnt an intelligent way to read the manga.

lol Obito isn't my favorite clearly by my avatar


Obito started fighting when it was daytime, now it's nighttime......

dawn was right after Naruto passed the Raikage and Tsunade

morning of that same day started when Naruto fought Itachi/Nagato and then proceeded to fight Obito which would be before or right at noon

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and now it's nighttime

Obito isn't a senju and has only half a zetsu body, that doesn't make his stamina on par with Hashirama's which means 24 hours would be too much as it is.

so it was roughly around 12 hours give or take

Hashirama was fighting Madara, and Obito is fighting the shinobi alliance after fighting with Naruto/Bee/Guy/Kakashi and then fought Kakashi....what kind of logic are you using where he's not getting tired from that?