Plot - Obito: 1-0

[ghettoninja27]

Obito just got the rinnegan like days ago, he's not going to have a handle what so ever on how to use it's techniques.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Obito just got the rinnegan like days ago, he's not going to have a handle what so ever on how to use it's techniques.

He already used it in the past, dude.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

This manga has gone to shit, lets get real.

 

[Midday]

Because getting a rinnegan instantly unlocks every rinnegan tech possible? Just like how Kakashi could use Kamui in pre shippuden...oh wait....
Don't forget that obito only got the rinnegan after he declared war. >_<Because

Apparently he can use rinne tensei which is probably one of the more advanced techniques.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because getting a rinnegan instantly unlocks every rinnegan tech possible? Just like how Kakashi could use Kamui in pre shippuden...oh wait....
Don't forget that obito only got the rinnegan after he declared war. >_<Because

Well yeah. He can already use Rinne Tensei and he implied he could use Rinnegan techs with his Path, but didn't because the Six Paths jutsu consumed so much chakra on its own. Now he's free from that. He should be able to use at least a few of Rinne techs.

What's your excuse for Mokuton?

 

[darksora]

Well yeah. He can already use Rinne Tensei and he implied he could use Rinnegan techs with his Path, but didn't because the Six Paths jutsu consumed so much chakra on its own. Now he's free from that. He should be able to use at least a few of Rinne techs.

What's your excuse for Mokuton? Kishi bullshitted.

Show me a panel or page when Obito replicated mokuton at that level without the zetsu suit and I'll reconsider it. Hes only demonstrated smaller rod/branch styles on his own.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Show me a panel or page when Obito replicated mokuton at that level without the zetsu suit and I'll reconsider it. Hes only demonstrated smaller rod/branch styles on his own.

And why hasn't he used any of it? That's my point. I never said that he was on Hashirama's level, but seeing as he has better control of Hashi's DNA, he should be at least better than Danzo. Why hasn't he done anything with Mokuton?

 

[razinzell]

Yeah the excuses that people are coming up with make sense but think about it. He was revealed to be the secret leader of Akatsuki early on in Shippuden. He's built up to be the strongest of them and is the main mysterious bad guy for like half the series.

Then he gets 1v1'd in 1 chapter by someone who isnt even the main character, wtf is that?

Imagine if in the middle of the hunt for Itachi arc Kakashi just finds him and kills him in 1 chapter. It is Naruto or Sasuke's job to defeat him, if this is really the end of Obito I will be massively dissapointed, an entire series of build up ends with 1 lame chapter.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

He got beaten in one freaking chapter? This is the epitome of rush-fest, in this gay war arc.

The same Obito who fought toe-to-toe with KCM Naruto and the entire gang, got beaten by a basic jutsu like Raikiri from fodder Kakashi?

What happened to his Kamui, Rinnegan, Madara's secret techniques, Senju DNA of all?

Kishi, way to go sir!

 

[LeSauce]

Kakashi already died. But then Nagato revived him... He's received chakra powerups from kyuubi so he can use kamui and chidori multiple times, which he shouldn't have been able to do.
Obito could have easily killed Kakashi while he was in the genjutsu. Obito CAN use kamui while he's in that dimension, as we were just shown. He has had 18 years to perfect it. Kakashi recently finds out he can do it, and bam! He had kamui when he fought pain, yet he couldn't take down 1 pein body alone. Obito has mokuton, rinnegan, kamui, and half of his body was zetsu (so he could afford to lose an arm or leg without bleeding out.) Kakashi beat Obito with chidori and a kunai in one chapter. That was just wrong. Obito's powers were built up too much to be wasted like that.

Kakashi should have stayed dead.

Took the words right out of my mind.

Well not literally.

 

[Kαmi]

Well yeah. He can already use Rinne Tensei and he implied he could use Rinnegan techs with his Path, but didn't because the Six Paths jutsu consumed so much chakra on its own. Now he's free from that. He should be able to use at least a few of Rinne techs.

What's your excuse for Mokuton? Kishi bullshitted.

My only argument to that is that Obito finally began to exhaust himself too much to use Mokuton. Sure he has Senju DNA but he was controlling 6 Bijuus while fighting Kakashi, Guy, Bee, and Naruto, some of the strongest who are currently alive. He's taken a few big hits but the main reason I think he got tired because he didn't use his other large scale Katon. He probably just didn't have the stamina to keep up with Kakashi in the first place which might be why he try to get Kakashi to join him via genjutsu. Also someone mentioned earlier that Obito was only able to use Mokuton on that scale after the black rods started sticking out of him. It's possible since those represent Madara's will, Madara took control of Obito back then and killed those anbu ninja.

And why hasn't he used any of it? That's my point. I never said that he was on Hashirama's level, but seeing as he has better control of Hashi's DNA, he should be at least better than Danzo. Why hasn't he done anything with Mokuton?

Because he's Kamui dependent. Not a smart move on his part I'll admit. We haven't seen Obito done much else without Kamui. Sure Obito is OP but taking away his best technique that he depends on so heavily was bound to throw off his fighting style significantly.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Kakashi needs to pay for this, I hope he ends up dead (he already did once) soon

 

[darksora]

And why hasn't he used any of it? That's my point. I never said that he was on Hashirama's level, but seeing as he has better control of Hashi's DNA, he should be at least better than Danzo. Why hasn't he done anything with Mokuton?

He used mokuton in this battle, he used the exact level that he showcased without the zetsu suit. The exact level being growing out blade sized roots/branches.
I don't see it as an issue, I had no expectations of Obito being able to sprout trees or anything.

 

[ghettoninja27]

What are you talking about! it makes so much more sense for kakashi to beat him, he was a ghost from kakashi's past who kakashi feels he had a hand in turning him into what he is now and kakashi must defeat him to right his own wrong.

 

[LeSauce]

My only argument to that is that Obito finally began to exhaust himself too much to use Mokuton. Sure he has Senju DNA but he was controlling 6 Bijuus while fighting Kakashi, Guy, Bee, and Naruto, some of the strongest who are currently alive. He's taken a few big hits but the main reason I think he got tired because he didn't use his other large scale Katon. He probably just didn't have the stamina to keep up with Kakashi in the first place which might be why he try to get Kakashi to join him via genjutsu. Also someone mentioned earlier that Obito was only able to use Mokuton on that scale after the black rods started sticking out of him. It's possible since those represent Madara's will, Madara took control of Obito back then and killed those anbu ninja.



Because he's Kamui dependent. Not a smart move on his part I'll admit. We haven't seen Obito done much else without Kamui. Sure Obito is OP but taking away his best technique that he depends on so heavily was bound to throw off his fighting style significantly.

The thing about Obito lacking chakra is that he was never shown to be tired before the fight. He could have also killed him during the genjutsu.

And even though he basically is kamui dependent he still had a few moves that he didn't use.

 

[Xerotes]

It's a story... he lost due to never being a top of the line ninja, the subtle flashbacks comparing the current battle to their past spars proves that, he just got exposed cause he couldn't use his overpowered turn in to a ghost jutsu that he only got by chance, his eye was only for the outer path... I like Obito as much as the next guy but Kakashi is a beast and straight handled him, and now Madara is handling his will power. People should really learn to stop d*ck riding only certain characters and learn how to actually take the entire story in. PLOT = STORY, Saying the "STORY" defeated someone is just retarded.

 

[The Big Boss]

You know Kishi bullshitted Obito. There's no good explanation Kishi can give as to why Obito didn't use any Rinnegan techs or Mokuton.

he did not have enough time to master rinnegan

and obito did not earn his strength thats why he lost

he was handed powers without training/earning them

 

[Kαmi]

The thing about Obito lacking chakra is that he was never shown to be tired before the fight. He could have also killed him during the genjutsu.

And even though he basically is kamui dependent he still had a few moves that he didn't use.

You have a point but Obito fighting as much as he has, it would only be natural. It might have been for flashback purposes but I think the fact that he used a small scale Katon compared to the Katon he used after he was first revealed should show that he was running low on chakra. Also, Kakashi was quite aware of the genjutsu so it's not like he had some advantage during the genjutsu.
And I can't think of many more moves besides his Kamui and Katon that he would have been able to use to beat Kakashi IMO. Kakashi who had just got his chakra replenished with a cloak was probably close to having full gauge of chakra

 

[AlphaScythian]

It's a story... he lost due to never being a top of the line ninja, the subtle flashbacks comparing the current battle to their past spars proves that, he just got exposed cause he couldn't use his overpowered turn in to a ghost jutsu that he only got by chance, his eye was only for the outer path... I like Obito as much as the next guy but Kakashi is a beast and straight handled him, and now Madara is handling his will power. People should really learn to stop d*ck riding only certain characters and learn how to actually take the entire story in. PLOT = STORY, Saying the "STORY" defeated someone is just retarded.

So the flash back is a reasonable explanation as to why we get gennin level fight between main OP villain for the most of the manga and secondary main character where the latter wins?

 

[Xerotes]

So the flash back is a reasonable explanation as to why we get gennin level fight between main OP villain for the most of the manga and secondary main character where the latter wins?

Please delusional fanboy, do tell me why Kishi would include them then? At the exact same time with the exact same things they did as kids they were doing as adults, Obito got exposed, live with it.