Enough with the shitty threads. Stop making stupid arguments to fodderize every character in NV. Obito lost by Plot no f***ing Jutsu. He's still better than Kakashi.
He didn't lose to plot. They removed kamui as a factor and had him fight toe to toe. Obito survived this long because of plot.
Can you give a logical explanantion why he's the first and only uchiha to have an S/T as his eye's ability? Can you also givee a logical reason why he doesn't go blind or his eye doesn't even itch him, for that matter, when using MS? He's a plot character. We wouldn't be here without plot helping him
Stopped reading when you said he should be removed from the Top 10.
Obito still has 7 bijuu, Rinnegan (That plot never allowed him to use), Mokuton (plot rarely ever allowed him to use), Kumai and Genjutsu strong enough to controll 6 bijuu at once. Katon as large ad madara's (even after being battle worn).
Some of the best stamina feats in the manga (He outlasted Bm/Km Naruto, Kakashi and Gai, While using a shit ton of chakra controlling 6 bijuu and the gedo mazo and even the juubi, While spamming kumai, also able to do large katons.
Obito is easily top 10, Like it or not
I stopped reading when you said plot stopped him from using rinnegan. Any proof that's true? no. Nagato had to master rinnegan abilities. He didn't wake up one morning and have all rinnegan techniques, but you believe obito just implants an eye and can suddenly use it 100% effectively? Why did kakashi take till deid arc to first use MS? He had it as a kid. Why did it take him till war to effectively use kamui? He opened MS on deid right? Exactly. why didn't sasuke use susano'o on bee? he unlocked MS and used amaterasu, he should have been shooting enton arrows too but this logic. Having the eye doesn't suddenly mean you can do everything the eye can offer, especially with such a complicated array of skills the rinnegan offers. you need to learn how to use the eye. Therefore, obito just couldn't use rinnegan abilities except for the passive linked vision and gedo masu control. Guy and kakashi speculated.
Same thing goes with mokuton You assume he suddenly knows how to use FTW, Mokuton dragons etc when all he ever did was shoot some roots from his hands, and make a giant Root spike when he lost control. He probably doesn't even know how to do that again.
Kamui allowed his katon to be that big. Banfu is that big because of kamui. With kamui out of the way, his fireball was reduced to it's normal power - a simple grand fireball. Not a kamui enhanced grand fireball.
He barely had control over the bijuu since one broke free. Anyway, It's proof of manga that he only uses kamui because that's what he's really skilled in. Anything more is pure speculation. NB assumption thinking characters wake up with skills they don't practice or train to learn.
sure, he's top 10 with his plot crutch. Any MS uchiha can be top 10 with 0 MS reprocutions. Itachi and MS sasuke could be top 3 if they could just spam their shit all day without eye pain or chakra worries. They'd just sit in Susano'o and get the same results as kamui since the opponent can't even hit them, then spam amaterasu everywhere until the land was ash. But, the thing is, they're top 10 (itachi at least) even with the restriction that they can't spam off jutsu and can only use 2-3 MS techniques a fight. You think obito would be top 10 if his kamui worked like a traditional uchiha's? Hell, if it even worked like kakashi's? He'd be far more reserved about going intangible since he'd only have 6 uses of kamui max. He wouldn't even make top 30. Sure he's top 10 with his plot crutch ( random EMS and limitless chakra ) i can't really change that nonsense.
And the bias lives on, whether it's 1 or 10 techs, Obito is still top 10. Losing a fight doesn't remove you from the top 10. If Itachi didn't have his sharigan/MS, he wouldn't be top 10. If Minato didn't have FTG, he wouldn't be top. Having a OP tech and knowing how to use the OP tech is what gets the user to the level that they are on. Obviously, Obito was at a disadvantage which Kakashi took advantage of
Lol itachi could pass for top 10 without MS - at least spot 10. He's actually a very skilled ninja. He's basically kakashi with slight better skills, better genjutsu and an MS arsenal and kakashi is easily top 20, maybe even top 15.
Same for Minato. It's an assumption that minato wouldn't be top 10 without ftg - he has almost no screentime. He already showed incredible speed in catching baby naruto so he isn't slow. Not many people would be able to fight against someone with a summoning. Summonings alone bump you faaarrrrr up the rankings. Just look at jiraiya vs pain, his toads did all the work. All jiraiya did was showcase preta's chakra absorption. Anyway, I don't really put minato in top 10 since he barely has screen time. I put KCM minato in there because that's just logical simply going off naruto's KCM boosts.
Obito's OP tech is kamui, and that's the point anyway. It's a broken tech that he was the only one to get from among all uchiha, and that he can never lose. I don't know why people say obito was at a disadvantage. So, they're on a level playing field when obito can camp an ability that neutralises 99.999% of abilities in NV? What would kakashi be able to do if kamui was allowed? Nothing. None of his techs can hit obito, not even kamui. Whereas, obito can pop near him and stab and that's it. Removing kamui is what put them on a level playing field. Obito lost because he had the least skill. his mokuton, rinnegan, taijutsu, genjutsu, ninjutsu, kenjutsu, sharingan weren't restricted. Only 1 technique that gave him a massive advantage over every single person.
I think it's safe to say that current Kakashi is undoubtly top 10 and who ever disagrees is simply lying to themselves.
Yea.... no. You're pushing it, he isn't. He's still top 15-20. All this issue showed is that obito is nothing without kamui.
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