[Fear] Rikudo's Lineage Exposed [Theory]

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THIS IS A PART 2 OF MY " " THREAD

This is going to be a continuation of my previous thread posted a few days ago which is rather brief so I recommend anyone interested in fully understanding my point to read... Lastly I implore that you read the entire thread before posting criticism as alot of the times the questions and qualms you may have were already address in the thread, surprise surprise.

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*This image was not meant to reflect my personal views, rather it was the only image I could see that refered to both the Uzumaki and the Hyuga and seeing as to how I am too lazy to use Photoshop I decided to use it. With that said the visual it provides does fit nicely with my thread, although I think that the Rikudo Sennin was both Hyuga and Uzumaki, not just Uzumaki.*

The lineage of the SO6P is something that has been thought about alot with alot of people giving there thoughts on what they think it is. Most people either say that we wont know until kishi tells us so there no point in talking about it while other open minded people revel in trying to solve this puzzle with the hints kishi has given us before the answer is revealed. After giving this some thought this is what I have come up with. It isnt as conclusive as some may want but I think I do a good job of building a case as to why what I believe is possible, if not more likely than not.

The rikudo isn't from any clans.

Im going to go ahead and put this guy on blast, but these are the type of unconstructive comments that are somewhat irritating. If you like my theories then tell me and r3p, if you dont then let me know why, thats the least you can do.


Introduction​

To begin this I want to make a statement. And that is to address how silly it is to believe that the SO6P did not come from a clan. Keep in mind that a clan is just another word for a family. So if your name was John Bibby then you would be from the Bibby Clan. So the fact that the SO6P was born into this world not only tells us that there were people out and about before he came into the picture but also that he was a member of a clan.

Now to be more specific people question whether he was part of a ninja clan. Because ninja clans are, as there name would imply, reliant on ninjutsu. And since the SO6P created ninjutsu, then how could any ninja clan proceed him? And thus comes the statement that he could not have been a part of any ninja clan.

This idea comes from this scan:
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Where Jiraiya says that the SO6P created a religion, and went around spreading said religion which over time became known as ninjutsu.

And so with that people assume that none of the ninja clans we know today could have been a part of the SO6P's clan because they were spawned out of the very notion of ninjutsu that he himself created. But there is something people do not realize, and that is that not all the present day clans should be considered ninja clans.

Family Ties: Hyuga​

*Keep in mind that there are 4 types of jutsu that are exclusive from one another. Taijutsu, Genjutsu(Which isnt as exclusive as the other 3), Ninjutsu and Fuinjutsu... there is also kinjutsu and doujutsu but at that point were just arguing semantics so I will leave it at the big 4*

The first clan that should not be considered a ninja clan is the Hyuga. They do not use any ninjutsu what so ever, rather they rely on there doujutsu and there taijutsu along with there fighting style, gentle fist. None of which is ninjutsu.

With that said they are a prime candidate for being the SO6P's birth clan as they do not rely on the "religion" that he created. There are one of the few clans that meet the qualifications for being the SO6P's birth clan.

Family Ties: Uzumaki​

*Keep in mind that there are 4 types of jutsu that are exclusive from one another. Taijutsu, Genjutsu(Which isnt as exclusive as the other 3), Ninjutsu and Fuinjutsu*

The Uzumaki are yet another clan that should not be considered a ninja clan as they do not practice ninjutsu. Rather they practice fuinjutsu, which is sealing jutsu's.

With them also not practicing any ninjutsu this also allows them to qualify as being the SO6P's birth clan.

Family Ties: Probability​

But now that they have qualified to be the SO6P's birth clan we have to ask ourselves what the chances are that they could be:

  1. The Uzumaki are known for there strong bodies and life forces, which is a trait very similar to the "Body" that was passed down to the Younger brother and then on to the Senju by the SO6P.
  2. The Hyuga are known for there Doujutsu, which is a trait very similar to the "Eyes" that was passed down to the Elder brother and then on to the Uchiha.
  3. Both the Uzumaki and the Hyuga to this day, do not practice ninjutsu.
  4. The Uzumaki was said to be related to the Senju Clan. [ ]
  5. The Uchiha's origins was rumored to originate within the Hyuga Clan. [ ]
  6. The SO6P was said to have found the true meaning of chakra, which is alot easier if you have eyes that can see chakra. [ ]
  7. Naru-Hina. Not sure what this means yet but this has to foreshadow something...
  8. Not to mention the astonishing amount of Uzumaki symbolism that circulates around images of the SO6P. [ ] [ ]

To me it would be one thing if the clans simply qualified, because if that was the case you couldnt go any further. But not only do they qualify but they also have an astonnishing amount of hints and clues linking them with the Rikudo.

"I, like God, do not play dice, and do not believe in coincidence"

Family Ties: Question​

Another thing you should keep in mind is that when I say "Ninja Clan" I refer to clans that practice ninjutsu. Now it is true that the Uzumaki use Fuinjutsu which too requires Chakra, along with the gentle fist style which the Hyuga uses.

But Jiraiya didnt not say that the SO6P created chakra, rather that he divined the true meaning of it. Which should tell you chakra was being used in one way or another prior to the SO6P arriving on the scene. And one of the ways were infact the Gentle Fist and Fuinjutsu.

Conclusion​

With that said we find that the possibility of the Rikudo being Half Hyuga and Half Uzumaki, or in some peoples cases, strickly Half Uzumaki. Not only remains intact after harsh scrutiny, but has now expanded and become a stronger force to be reckon with.

If I were you I would hope on the Rikudo = Hyuga/Uzumaki, band wagon while you can, else you wont get to gloat when Kishi finally reveals it :)

Enjoy the read!!​
 
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Very nice. Wish I could rep you, but I'll have to wait 24 hrs before that is possible
 

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The rikudo isn't from any clans.

Are you saying then that the Rikūdo doesn't have a heritage and magically fell from the sky one day? Don't be foolish. The Rikūdo Sennin was born a human, he definitely has a family/clan, albeit non-ninjutsu wielders before he founded the Shinobi World
 

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Where in the manga does it say that.
BTW there were no clans during the Rikudo's time.
He was a priest not a ninja.

This is what i dont like, it is clear you didnt read my thread because I blatently talk about this in my thread... and since I wont repeat myself I will let his highness do the talking for me!!

Are you saying then that the Rikūdo doesn't have a heritage and magically fell from the sky one day? Don't be foolish. The Rikūdo Sennin was born a human, he definitely has a family/clan, albeit non-ninjutsu wielders before he founded the Shinobi World
 

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Where in the manga does it say that.
BTW there were no clans during the Rikudo's time.
He was a priest not a ninja.

I really don't understand why others like you insist that families/clans existed only after Rikūdo's foundation of the Shinobi World, logic and common sense entails that these Shinobi Clans were descended from the Pre-Ninjutsu families/clans that preceded them, esp. since the era of Rikudou Sennin was an age of endless war and strife, and clans have always been involved in these kinds of wars. Look at Japanese history, the Iga and Kõga Clans were a clan of hired mercenaries and sellswords before they became the formally organized Shinobi Clans they were known for since.
 

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Are you saying then that the Rikūdo doesn't have a heritage and magically fell from the sky one day? Don't be foolish. The Rikūdo Sennin was born a human, he definitely has a family/clan, albeit non-ninjutsu wielders before he founded the Shinobi World

Why didn't you quote the whole thing.
I said there wasn't any clans then.
He was PRIEST.
 

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This is what i dont like, it is clear you didnt read my thread because I blatently talk about this in my thread... and since I wont repeat myself I will let his highness do the talking for me!!


I get where you're coming from but it seems really really unlikely.
 

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Why didn't you quote the whole thing.
I said there wasn't any clans then.
He was PRIEST.

There are priestly clans

These are four major sacerdotal/priestly clans of Ancient Japan:

Abe clan.
Kamo clan.
Nakatomi clan.
Urabe clan.

All of them priests/priestesses, so don't tell me a priest cannot belong to a clan because they do.
 

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Lets assume rikodu was half Hyuuga and he had the Byakugan...

1) He would have to be the first one with the byakugan, otherwise someone else would have discovered the truth about chakra before him.
2) He only had 2 sons, and we know none of the had the byakugan, infact one of his sons didnt have any doujustu.

This creates a paradox...

And in fact, when you think about it, the sharingan and byakugan are inherited by all clan members as far as we have seen, so i believe that rikodu must somehow have gifted his yin and yang chakra to his sons "manually" so to speak, otherwise they should have recieved similar bloodline traits...
 
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Nice theory and i read the other 2 before makes a lot of sense!!
 

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This... Rikodu "discovered the truth about chakra" or something along those lines.... which means that if he is infact Hyuuga, he would have been the first hyuuga with a byakugan, otherwise some other hyuuga would have learned the truth about chakra.... furthermore, he only had 2 sons and neither had the byakugan...

Personally i believe that the Hyuuga may be decendants of older brother, which were released from the curse of hatred :)

But until/if we learn how he did his eyes, we can only speculate... and if he was indeed a Hyuuga, he would probably have been the first, an anomaly of sorts, which i find doubtful.

I think that Rikodo used his to seal the Juubi, and maybe thats how he learned the truth about chakra?


My point is that all we can do now is speculate....

1) Humans have been on this world for centuries, so why were computers only recently invented? Based on your logic they werent recently invented because someone should have invented them sooner?

2) The sons were created via the Creation of all things jutsu, I believe I went over that in one of the other threads but I could be wrong. But to use your own logic against you once again I could ask why both sons dont have the Sharingan as oppose to only the elder son having it? Whatever your answer to that question is, ask yourself if it applies to my theory, and if it does then you have your answer.

3) Personally i believe that the Hyuuga may be decendants of older brother, which were released from the curse of hatred :) Seems legit

4) he would probably have been the first, an anomaly of sorts, which i find doubtful. what makes you say he would have been the first?

5) I think that Rikodo used his to seal the Juubi, and maybe thats how he learned the truth about chakra? I dont see how the first event is related to the 2nd. You think peanut butter goes good with jelly therefore 9/11 was an inside job?

6) My point is that all we can do now is speculate.... Redundant but appreciated x__X

Sry in advance for the sarcasm, it is the only way I know to communicate x__x
 

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Hi, I pretty much rewrote my whole post before your reply, so feel free to re-read :)

(i guess we had similar thoughts about the difference between the sons traits.)
 

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Lets assume rikodu was half Hyuuga and he had the Byakugan...

1) He would have to be the first one with the byakugan, otherwise someone else would have discovered the truth about chakra before him.
2) He only had 2 sons, and we know none of the had the byakugan, infact one of his sons didnt have any doujustu.

This creates a paradox...

And in fact, when you think about it, the sharingan and byakugan are inherited by all clan members as far as we have seen, so i believe that rikodu must somehow have gifted his yin and yang chakra to his sons "manually" so to speak, otherwise they should have recieved similar bloodline traits...

The question from my reply still stands:

1) Why would he have to be the first one with a byakugan. People have been around for ages yet computers were only recently invented? Why not sooner? Simply saying he couldnt have done it because someone else should have done it before him is a bad argument. As it doesnt relate to real life.

2) Now let us apply the same logic you just used to what we know in the Manga... The Sage had the Rinnegan, but none of the sons have the Rinnegan.... therefore the Sage doesnt have the Rinnegan? How is that for a paradox?

3) "And in fact, when you think about it, the sharingan and byakugan are inherited by all clan members as far as we have seen, so i believe that rikodu must somehow have gifted his yin and yang chakra to his sons "manually" so to speak, otherwise they should have recieved similar bloodline traits..."

So he had 2 sons, none of which had his eyes which creates the same paradox you mentioned earlier, then took out his eyes and gave it to his Elder son after which it changed from a circular Rinnegan to a spiral Rinnegan... youve lost me?
 
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