TheTailedSage
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Ok so looked into KA a bit more just to confirm my knowledge and t appears that its a fact that your unaware that you get put in ka... But its also unclear if the sibling genjutsu Izanami and izanagi can counter it so im gong to do a little analysis of it
Izanami countering KA
Now since they both have similar affect in terms of altering realty. KA alters the mind to make it THINK that your dong something when your not... but... Izanami put the enemy in a endless loop which also alters your mind so logically speaking, reality is contradicting itself by these two genjutsus being in place inside each others mind. The difference with Izanami is that it puts the foe in an endless loop so technically they think they are winning when they actually aren't; of course in order for izanami to work anyway they foe has to be pretending to be someone hes/shes not. So in practicality izanami cancels out KA but this may depend on some conditions
.Caster must do it within a couple minutes of KA being activated ( of course this is almost impossible unless you have knowledge on the KA user)
. Or Use izanami to maintain the foes arrogance while you make the KA caster think hes caught you(this can be done if the foe is purposely getting hit of if they get hit to easily, in which case you would need a high IQ level to analyses the situation. Again you will have to have knowledge on the enemy having KA in the first place)
Although something still don't make sense. I mean even if you cast Izanami and you THINK you've caught them in a loop. KA is basically making you think you casted izanami when you actually didn't. So its hard to say. The reason why i think izanami is a counter s because it plays with the foes consciousness...But its is said that Izanami determines "fate". This is why its a 50/50 counter.
Izanagi countering KA
Izanagi makes you basically escape death and bend reality and illusions. because when activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence, but it is normally only active for the briefest of moments.
Now i think you can see how this will counter KA in a logical term. If it controls reality within a certain radius then you should be able to use that to escape KA even if its just briefly (5 minutes). So even though through most of this logic KA reigns superior to Izanagi in a sense. I would say this is less effective than Izanami since the concept doesn't allow you to control or alter the foes mind BUT you should be able to see the foe long enough for you to know whats what (Like Izanami, you MUST have knowledge)
Collecting the puzzle pieces
As confusing as it may sound, its possible but no one has every performed it to actually find out. Maybe if danzo used KA on itachi, we could have seen have effective izanami really is against the "strongest" genjutsu. But wait, Izanami is also considered an ultimatee genjutsu and not only that but it was made as a device to clear a uchihas mind of delusion untill they give in and accept their fate.
Now we know that most genjutsu Affect the 5 senses but itachi stated here that uchiha can catch the foe under gen without having to trouble the 5 senses. This is similar to the workings of KA and if Izanami also affects the brain then its definitely not bad to assume that izanami is a counter for KA. In order for you to fool the brain you have to fool the 5 senses so in some way KA affects the senses too.
If Ka does affect the Izanagi user then its possible to bend destiny to how you want it to be but like i said before its only the user that has that power so it must have a radius. so i can safely assume that this counter is more of a 50/50 counter than izanami
According to itachi, Izanami prevents people from using a easy way to run from battles. Now KA is a perfect way to do that because your not actually fighting. If izanami prevents that then again this is why its a perfect counter.
Technically Izanami isn even a genjutsu, its classed as kinjutsu and itachi "which is said to have kage level knowledge" says that there is no counter for this while your fighting and considering he already knew about KA at this time he woould of brought it up if there were a jutsu that could stop KA.
You loose a eye for both techs but its still a counter
Izanami countering KA
Now since they both have similar affect in terms of altering realty. KA alters the mind to make it THINK that your dong something when your not... but... Izanami put the enemy in a endless loop which also alters your mind so logically speaking, reality is contradicting itself by these two genjutsus being in place inside each others mind. The difference with Izanami is that it puts the foe in an endless loop so technically they think they are winning when they actually aren't; of course in order for izanami to work anyway they foe has to be pretending to be someone hes/shes not. So in practicality izanami cancels out KA but this may depend on some conditions
.Caster must do it within a couple minutes of KA being activated ( of course this is almost impossible unless you have knowledge on the KA user)
. Or Use izanami to maintain the foes arrogance while you make the KA caster think hes caught you(this can be done if the foe is purposely getting hit of if they get hit to easily, in which case you would need a high IQ level to analyses the situation. Again you will have to have knowledge on the enemy having KA in the first place)
Although something still don't make sense. I mean even if you cast Izanami and you THINK you've caught them in a loop. KA is basically making you think you casted izanami when you actually didn't. So its hard to say. The reason why i think izanami is a counter s because it plays with the foes consciousness...But its is said that Izanami determines "fate". This is why its a 50/50 counter.
Izanagi countering KA
Izanagi makes you basically escape death and bend reality and illusions. because when activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence, but it is normally only active for the briefest of moments.
Now i think you can see how this will counter KA in a logical term. If it controls reality within a certain radius then you should be able to use that to escape KA even if its just briefly (5 minutes). So even though through most of this logic KA reigns superior to Izanagi in a sense. I would say this is less effective than Izanami since the concept doesn't allow you to control or alter the foes mind BUT you should be able to see the foe long enough for you to know whats what (Like Izanami, you MUST have knowledge)
Collecting the puzzle pieces
As confusing as it may sound, its possible but no one has every performed it to actually find out. Maybe if danzo used KA on itachi, we could have seen have effective izanami really is against the "strongest" genjutsu. But wait, Izanami is also considered an ultimatee genjutsu and not only that but it was made as a device to clear a uchihas mind of delusion untill they give in and accept their fate.
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Now we know that most genjutsu Affect the 5 senses but itachi stated here that uchiha can catch the foe under gen without having to trouble the 5 senses. This is similar to the workings of KA and if Izanami also affects the brain then its definitely not bad to assume that izanami is a counter for KA. In order for you to fool the brain you have to fool the 5 senses so in some way KA affects the senses too.
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You loose a eye for both techs but its still a counter
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