[Discussion] What if Naruto manages to create a no-air-space (void) with his Fuuton nature?

[Mr Hiru]

...achieving a Bell-effect volume where sound can't be transmited, fire can't make combustion, and electricity can't find any mean to go through?

Would Katon-based techniques be rendered useless?
Would Raiton-based techniques be rendered useless?
Would Enton-based techniques be rendered useless?

Let's share our thoughts (I just shared mine here)

 

[MrDuck]

Sounds like it would be a powerful technique. I don't know if it's possible though.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Right because tail beast bomb spam isn't overpowered enough

 

[Lucidus]

it would be interesting to see... but i dont think that the characters in NV have such control over there elements to be able to full manipulate in the way they would like to ... if u know what i mean

 

[Thorium]

And how exactly would he be able to do that? Not only would he have to take out all air particles from a certain area, he would have to stop other air particles from entering it and maintain that. It would also kill anything in that area due to lack of oxygen.

 

[6PathsofKami]

You can empty the air in that space but it would be near impossible to create a vacuum

 

[narajacob]

He would only need to reduce the total oxygen saturation in the target area. So he wouldn't need create a vacuum; at least in the case of fire techniques. I think he would need to create a total vacuum in order to render lightning based techs useless.

 

[Mr Hiru]

And how exactly would he be able to do that? Not only would he have to take out all air particles from a certain area, he would have to stop other air particles from entering it and maintain that. It would also kill anything in that area due to lack of oxygen.

Exactly, that would be the true nature of this skill. He would have to constantly expand the void space, displacing air in the process. Or said better using Fuuton, move air to various directions, from one point forming a void-sphere. The most chakra used in the technique, the larger and stronger would be this skill. The air should be pretty dense on the boundaries of this sphere.

The name could even be Anti-Rasengan.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

So ...

Wind Release: Airless Void (?)

aka ... a vacuum ...

Sounds good ... until everything collapses into the vacuum. Although maybe that's the intended effect -> a physically crushing technique.

Huh.

 

[Thorium]

Exactly, that would be the true nature of this skill. He would have to constantly expand the void space, displacing air in the process. Or said better using Fuuton, move air to various directions, from one point forming a void-sphere. The most chakra used in the technique, the larger and stronger would be this skill. The air should be pretty dense on the boundaries of this sphere.

The name could even be Anti-Rasengan.

Elemental based techniques consist of converting one's chakra into that element. With Naruto's Rasenshuriken, he manipulates his chakra into Fuuton, creating tiny, sharp needles. Sasuke manipulates his chakra by bringing it up to his chest, and out of his mouth to create fire-breathing jutsu. A similar process is done with Raikiri, with Kakashi converting his chakra into Raiton and focusing it in the palm of his hand.

How on earth is Naruto going to use his Fuuton chakra to control the different gases in a particular area, as well as prevent other gases from entering that space?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Elemental based techniques consist of converting one's chakra into that element. With Naruto's Rasenshuriken, he manipulates his chakra into Fuuton, creating tiny, sharp needles. Sasuke manipulates his chakra by bringing it up to his chest, and out of his mouth to create fire-breathing jutsu. A similar process is done with Raikiri, with Kakashi converting his chakra into Raiton and focusing it in the palm of his hand.

How on earth is Naruto going to use his Fuuton chakra to control the different gases in a particular area, as well as prevent other gases from entering that space?

The Dense Air Boundary should push away the gases.

But it couldn't be used if Naruto was below water... for obvious reasons.

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

The amount of chakra required to create a vacuum, even if only for a spherical liter of volume, would be enormous. I'm not sure how proficient a character would have to be with chakra control in order to achieve such control of the atmosphere.
A better question is what effects would a vacuum have on the human body?
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From a chemistry/thermodynamics point of view we know that reducing pressure also decreases the amount of thermal energy required for liquids to evaporate, hence reducing the boiling point temperature. Due to this fact, some have hypothesized that reducing the pressure of a system to < 1 psi (= 6.895 kiloPascals = 0.06805 atmospheres) would cause a person's blood to boil. However, this doesn't seem to be the case since the internal pressure of the body holding it's self together via laminin bonds with various proteins and whatnot is present. You don't freeze immediately, regardless of how cold a vacuum would become, because the specific heat capacity of the body is fairly high. This is demonstrated by the fact that the body is composed of ~60% water, which has a relatively large heat capacity (4.184 Joules/{gram*Kelvin}). Nonetheless, the lack of suitable oxygen in the air would allow victims of such a technique to lose consciousness after a few short minutes.

Keep in mind that a complete/perfect vacuum is very difficult -- if not entirely impossible -- to generate. Laboratories have only been capable of generating partial vacuums. Hell... even outer space is only a partial vacuum. Physicists have certainly conjured the idea of a complete vacuum as an ideal system by which absolute zero Kelvin could be achieved -- among other things -- but if modern science can't do it, neither should characters in the Narutoverse.

Nonetheless, it would be an astonishing jutsu that would enable the user to negate Katon/Enton based jutsu. However, since a perfect vacuum is impossible to achieve, Raiton and sound-based jutsu would fail to be nullified entirely.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The amount of chakra required to create a vacuum, even if only for a spherical liter of volume, would be enormous. I'm not sure how proficient a character would have to be with chakra control in order to achieve such control of the atmosphere.
A better question is what effects would a vacuum have on the human body?
Here's a link for information on the matter:

You must be registered for see links

From a chemistry/thermodynamics point of view we know that reducing pressure also decreases the amount of thermal energy required for liquids to evaporate, hence reducing the boiling point temperature. Due to this fact, some have hypothesized that reducing the pressure of a system to < 1 psi (= 6.895 kiloPascals = 0.06805 atmospheres) would cause a person's blood to boil. However, this doesn't seem to be the case since the internal pressure of the body holding it's self together via laminin bonds with various proteins and whatnot is present. You don't freeze immediately, regardless of how cold a vacuum would become, because the specific heat capacity of the body is fairly high. This is demonstrated by the fact that the body is composed of ~60% water, which has a relatively large heat capacity (4.184 Joules/{gram*Kelvin}). Nonetheless, the lack of suitable oxygen in the air would allow victims of such a technique to lose consciousness after a few short minutes.

Keep in mind that a complete/perfect vacuum is very difficult -- if not entirely impossible -- to generate. Laboratories have only been capable of generating partial vacuums. Hell... even outer space is only a partial vacuum. Physicists have certainly conjured the idea of a complete vacuum as an ideal system by which absolute zero Kelvin could be achieved -- among other things -- but if modern science can't do it, neither should characters in the Narutoverse.

Nonetheless, it would be an astonishing jutsu that would enable the user to negate Katon/Enton based jutsu. However, since a perfect vacuum is impossible to achieve, Raiton and sound-based jutsu would fail to be nullified entirely.

Thanks for the resume. I have some knowledge about thermodynamics so I kinda understand what you mean with these points... Basically even in real life that perfect vacuum is near impossible to achieve.

I only could say that in real life, Amaterasu is impossible, but it was created inside Narutoverse, so it would be possible to create something like what I propose, but I guess Naruto would have some troubles to master that kind of jutsu, at least for now. At least he meets the chakra requirement, and he already mastered chakra manipulation... so it would only depend on his determination.

PS: Ugh, can't rep... u_u I must spread more points...

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

Thanks for the resume. I have some knowledge about thermodynamics so I kinda understand what you mean with these points... Basically even in real life that perfect vacuum is near impossible to achieve.

I only could say that in real life, Amaterasu is impossible, but it was created inside Narutoverse, so it would be possible to create something like what I propose, but I guess Naruto would have some troubles to master that kind of jutsu, at least for now. At least he meets the chakra requirement, and he already mastered chakra manipulation... so it would only depend on his determination.

...and his creativity. I'm not so sure Naruto/Kishimoto are as creative with techniques as you are.
Speaking of which, do you mind if I steal this idea for a piece of fiction I'm writing? It'll probably never make print, since it's just a story that my gf and I are working on in our free time for fun between research, classes, and work; although if it ever does I'd be happy to mention your contribution in the thanks section or something.

 

[Mr Hiru]

...and his creativity. I'm not so sure Naruto/Kishimoto are as creative with techniques as you are.
Speaking of which, do you mind if I steal this idea for a piece of fiction I'm writing? It'll probably never make print, since it's just a story that my gf and I are working on in our free time for fun between research, classes, and work; although if it ever does I'd be happy to mention your contribution in the thanks section or something.

Of course my friend, I would feel pretty honored to be of use for someone as trustful and smart as you.

 

[p0002q]

Enjoyed reading the idea and mixture of sciene\narutoverse discussion that followed.

I'm familiar with a lot of the science behind this, but would gladly forsake that knowledge to see Naruto finally use wind for something other than rasengan varients.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Enjoyed reading the idea and mixture of sciene\narutoverse discussion that followed.

I'm familiar with a lot of the science behind this, but would gladly forsake that knowledge to see Naruto finally use wind for something other than rasengan varients.

I'm glad too. A lot of ideas came up from the OT so I'm quite enjoying the reading too.