my first fanboying thread (NOT Itachi thread)

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most people believe Hiruzen is a fodder, the weakest Hokage, even weaker than Tsunade but I don't think so!
it's true that he could barely solo two weakened Senjus and died against a high jounin but some people tend to ignore the fact that neither he was at full power and I often read bs like "all Hiruzen has is a stick and katon jutsus" which is annoying

first:
here's a manga proof that his chakra reserves have decreased
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now before you would say "it was said by a fodder so it doesn't matter" I have to remind you that Kishi uses these fodders to give us background info... they have no reason to state incorrect facts because they don't even have character

here's a proof that his strength has also greatly decreased
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here's a scan where Orochimaru hints that Hiruzen used to be stronger than him
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it's already too late
(I'm sure the reason why he said that "it's already too late" is that Hiruzen in his prime would have been able to kill him... because he was stronger... logic says Hiruzen >>> Orochimaru
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Enma also hints that Hiruzen (without being 70 years old) >>> Orochimaru
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Orochimaru hints that Hiruzen is nowhere near as strong as he used to be
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you might call me a fanboy or a Hiruzentard but I'm sure he was above the sannin (powerwise) ...possibly the same level as Tobirama or Minato

no troll/hater posts please
 

Chibiusa

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Stopped reading after "Hiruzen".

Sorry.
 

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That's why people call him weaker than other hokages; all of his shown feats shown in his old state; only things we have "know" about his power in his prime are jus words like "stronger" etc... Only hype that's it, but i don't think his old self is as weak as people make him out to be.
 

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says Ignore Grammer...Grammer Nazi Arrives XD

for the first time...in History of Mankind...you are not trolling
 

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Well he was given the title of God of Shinobi for a reason. I personally think that he might be considered weak compared to the other kages, because we've only seen him fighting in his at a very old age. We do know that he was glorified as being one of the greatest shinobi in his youth. Hopefully kishi explores on him and tobirama's abilities as shinobi. Would enjoy seeing Hiruzen giving random anbu level ninjas the power pole during the previous war.
 

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Well he must be something since he survived for such a long time.
 

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I stoped reading as soon as I opened up the spoiler, I only read that much for Sakura or Tsunade.
 

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I love Hiruzen and can honestly believe that he is still stronger then all of his students (not including Edo Tensei). Being equal to Minato in his prime, or even surpassing Minato wouldn't shock me.

I still somewhat cling to the belief he had amazing power and his original title still holds some meaning.
 

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He's fodder, his fanboys died after
 

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Only an idiot would call you or anyone else a fanboy for saying Prime Hiruzen was stronger than the Sannin. Especially considering Old Hiruzen is portrayed to be on the same tier as Orochimaru (And the other Sannin). Prime Hiruzen is much much more powerful than Old Hiruzen so he should be stronger than the Sannin.

IMO Prime Hiruzen is probably stronger than Minato at least, wasn't called a God of Shinobi for no reason.
 

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By feats hurizen is stronger he was the longest living kage of all survived two ninja wars and bread all the strongest shinobi
 
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