[Question] Can, Luffy Beat Doflamingo?

[Pervy Wrath]

To you guys who are talking about Luffy and Zoro being above VA level, what do you guys really mean? VAs aren't exactly evenly strong. There are those like Momonga and Onigumo, then Smoker, then Vergo, and of course guys like Garp and the next successors to becoming and Admiral. Saying that Luffy and Zoro are above VA level means that they are Admiral level, which they obviously aren't. Luffy is imo high-VA, Zoro is probably around the same level of Smoker, a little bit lower, in other words mid-VA.

 

[Vampy]

To you guys who are talking about Luffy and Zoro being above VA level, what do you guys really mean? VAs aren't exactly evenly strong. There are those like Momonga and Onigumo, then Smoker, then Vergo, and of course guys like Garp and the next successors to becoming and Admiral. Saying that Luffy and Zoro are above VA level means that they are Admiral level, which they obviously aren't. Luffy is imo high-VA, Zoro is probably around the same level of Smoker, a little bit lower, in other words mid-VA.

Do you realize that, Admirals don't stay at the same strength? They reach higher levels. That pretty much means that there can be Low, Mid, High level admiral. So yeah, of course a high level admiral can usually beat a low level admiral.

If, Momonga who is a high level VA were so strong, he should have been able to handle, Luffy at the war. He tried but barely scratched him and then two other high level VA's ganged up on him. Lucci, was pretty much around VA level. Now we're at a TS. Luffy, has pretty much caught up to his brother. Both of them have been pirates for 3 years but, Ace's time ended. Luffy, trained for 2 years. Training is more efficient than traveling the sea's and beating strong enemies because instead of traveling and stopping in towns and all that crap you're constantly training about 18 hours a day.

Zoro, always surpasses, Luffy's old bounty as shown in the story. He's definitely around High VA level or maybe even above it. As far as we know he could be even stronger than, Luffy. If, Zoro does indeed make it to green bit in time before, Fujitora can attack, Law you know how it will go down. Law VS Doflamingo and Zoro VS Fujitora. Fujitora, is a swordsmen by the way.

And why mention, Garp? It's obvious that he's far surpassed marines levels. He's at a Yonko's level. That's above all shitty marines. He was offered a an admiral seat but he turned it down. Luffy, proved during the PH arc that he's on an entirely different level than, Smoker who's about mid VA level.
Anyways, the admirals aren't the ones who are significant. The significant ones are Fleet admiral Akainu and the 4 emperors and their underlings. Also, when, Luffy beats, Doflamingo he will undoubtedly be admiral level.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Do you realize that, Admirals don't stay at the same strength? They reach higher levels. That pretty much means that there can be Low, Mid, High level admiral. So yeah, of course a high level admiral can usually beat a low level admiral.

If, Momonga who is a high level VA were so strong, he should have been able to handle, Luffy at the war. He tried but barely scratched him and then two other high level VA's ganged up on him. Lucci, was pretty much around VA level. Now we're at a TS. Luffy, has pretty much caught up to his brother. Both of them have been pirates for 3 years but, Ace's time ended. Luffy, trained for 2 years. Training is more efficient than traveling the sea's and beating strong enemies because instead of traveling and stopping in towns and all that crap you're constantly training about 18 hours a day.

Zoro, always surpasses, Luffy's old bounty as shown in the story. He's definitely around High VA level or maybe even above it. As far as we know he could be even stronger than, Luffy. If, Zoro does indeed make it to green bit in time before, Fujitora can attack, Law you know how it will go down. Law VS Doflamingo and Zoro VS Fujitora. Fujitora, is a swordsmen by the way.

And why mention, Garp? It's obvious that he's far surpassed marines levels. He's at a Yonko's level. That's above all shitty marines. He was offered a an admiral seat but he turned it down. Luffy, proved during the PH arc that he's on an entirely different level than, Smoker who's about mid VA level.
Anyways, the admirals aren't the ones who are significant. The significant ones are Fleet admiral Akainu and the 4 emperors and their underlings. Also, when, Luffy beats, Doflamingo he will undoubtedly be admiral level.

You're not understanding me. I'm saying that being above VAs is a very vague term. Sure, Luffy is stronger than Smoker and Vergo, but he's in no way stronger than Garp, he's in no way stronger than Fujitora(before he got promoted). Luffy is not above VA level until he actually beats someone that are higher up than that. Being Admiral level worthy is a whole different subject. As long as guys like Garp keep their VA title, it stretches their level out, making it impossible to say Luffy is above VA level yet.

 

[Vampy]

You're not understanding me. I'm saying that being above VAs is a very vague term. Sure, Luffy is stronger than Smoker and Vergo, but he's in no way stronger than Garp, he's in no way stronger than Fujitora(before he got promoted). Luffy is not above VA level until he actually beats someone that are higher up than that. Being Admiral level worthy is a whole different subject. As long as guys like Garp keep their VA title, it stretches their level out, making it impossible to say Luffy is above VA level yet.

I can agree with you about him not being officially at admiral level since he hasn't proved it by us seeing it.
But if you're going to keep going on about, Garp who could have been promoted then you're asking for it.

Garp, isn't Vice Admiral level, that's just the rank he has. We're talking about strength and common sense tells you that, Garp is far above admiral and fleet admiral level.
He shouldn't even be mentioned in this conversation. At the same time he's not a marine anymore so that means he's not a VA anymore. Even if he was it doesn't stretch a damn thing. Garp, is at a pirate kings level and that's that.

If you keep saying that, Garp is VA level then basically, Kizaru, Akainu, Fujitora and Aokiji are VA level. That's pretty much what you're saying and we know that's not true. So yeah, take, Garp out of this.

I stand by what I say that, Luffy's strength is at that of an Admirals now. I would say, Low Admiral.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I can agree with you about him not being officially at admiral level since he hasn't proved it by us seeing it.
But if you're going to keep going on about, Garp who could have been promoted then you're asking for it.

Garp, isn't Vice Admiral level, that's just the rank he has. We're talking about strength and common sense tells you that, Garp is far above admiral and fleet admiral level.
He shouldn't even be mentioned in this conversation. At the same time he's not a marine anymore so that means he's not a VA anymore. Even if he was it doesn't stretch a damn thing. Garp, is at a pirate kings level and that's that.

If you keep saying that, Garp is VA level then basically, Kizaru, Akainu, Fujitora and Aokiji are VA level. That's pretty much what you're saying and we know that's not true. So yeah, take, Garp out of this.

I stand by what I say that, Luffy's strength is at that of an Admirals now. I would say, Low Admiral.

I'm using Garp for reference, Princess. My point is that being a VA is a very wide term. You can be like Maynard who got knocked out by Bartolomeo easily(probably didn't know about his abilities), you can be like Smoker who can fight with Law and Luffy, but lose, you can be like Momonga, Onigumo, Diamante, Vergo and so on, or you can be one who's worthy of being an Admiral if a spot opens up. And everything in between.

 

[Vampy]

I'm using Garp for reference, Princess. My point is that being a VA is a very wide term. You can be like Maynard who got knocked out by Bartolomeo easily(probably didn't know about his abilities), you can be like Smoker who can fight with Law and Luffy, but lose, you can be like Momonga, Onigumo, Diamante, Vergo and so on, or you can be one who's worthy of being an Admiral if a spot opens up. And everything in between.

This just means you totally changed the conversation from strength to crap about ranks...
Where would you rank, Luffy after he beats, Doflamingo?
Also, you never answered the question to this post did you?

 

[Pervy Wrath]

This just means you totally changed the conversation from strength to crap about ranks...
Where would you rank, Luffy after he beats, Doflamingo?
Also, you never answered the question to this post did you?

That's the whole point. It's a rank. And many different people fall under that rank.

My rank goes like this at the current time:

Luffy
Doflamingo
Marco/maybe other 1st Mates
Admirals
Fleet Admiral
Yonko

So in other words, after this fight, Luffy would be slightly behind, maybe even tying with Marco, after defeating Doflamingo.

In its essence, the thread is pretty stupid. Of course Luffy CAN defeat Doflamingo. Hody CAN also defeat Doflamingo, but that doesn't mean he will. I think Luffy will defeat Doflamingo and that is how he will progress, but I don't think he's at his level right now.

 

[Vampy]

That's the whole point. It's a rank. And many different people fall under that rank.

My rank goes like this at the current time:

Luffy
Doflamingo
Marco/maybe other 1st Mates
Admirals
Fleet Admiral
Yonko

So in other words, after this fight, Luffy would be slightly behind, maybe even tying with Marco, after defeating Doflamingo.

In its essence, the thread is pretty stupid. Of course Luffy CAN defeat Doflamingo. Hody CAN also defeat Doflamingo, but that doesn't mean he will. I think Luffy will defeat Doflamingo and that is how he will progress, but I don't think he's at his level right now.

I made this thread for a different reason. Not to find out if, Luffy would win because I obviously know he would.
My purpose for this thread is a secret.
And Hody can't beat, Doflamingo. Are you trying to make a joke? Hody, is weak as hell. He also, Lost to, Luffy who hasn't even beaten, Doflamingo yet. Hody, is fodder.

My belief is that, as, Luffy say before the TS during the war is that he will surpass, Ace someday. 2 years of training has passed and it's time for us to see.

Also, since you believe that, Luffy would gain a 500-580Mil bounty after, Dressrosa shows proof of what you're saying.
I know, Doflamingo is going to give, Luffy a tough fight.

And of course you do realize, Luffy has yet to show his true strength as of yet?
So many more amazing techniques he must be hiding right now. For all we know he might shock us with a gear 4/5.
He could probably blow air into his muscles like he does his bones thus increasing his power massively and he could probably even use gear 2nd along with it. Imagine that power.

Right now, we don't know how strong, Fujitora is. He could be a low rank admiral for all we know or mid. I doubt he's high admiral like, Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru, though, Akainu is at fleet now. It would probably be best to include, Fleet admiral in strength level of High Admiral. What do you think of this?

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I made this thread for a different reason. Not to find out if, Luffy would win because I obviously know he would.
My purpose for this thread is a secret.
And Hody can't beat, Doflamingo. Are you trying to make a joke? Hody, is weak as hell. He also, Lost to, Luffy who hasn't even beaten, Doflamingo yet. Hody, is fodder.

My belief is that, as, Luffy say before the TS during the war is that he will surpass, Ace someday. 2 years of training has passed and it's time for us to see.

Also, since you believe that, Luffy would gain a 500-580Mil bounty after, Dressrosa shows proof of what you're saying.
I know, Doflamingo is going to give, Luffy a tough fight.

And of course you do realize, Luffy has yet to show his true strength as of yet?
So many more amazing techniques he must be hiding right now. For all we know he might shock us with a gear 4/5.
He could probably blow air into his muscles like he does his bones thus increasing his power massively and he could probably even use gear 2nd along with it. Imagine that power.

Right now, we don't know how strong, Fujitora is. He could be a low rank admiral for all we know or mid. I doubt he's high admiral like, Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru, though, Akainu is at fleet now. It would probably be best to include, Fleet admiral in strength level of High Admiral. What do you think of this?

No, Hody can defeat Doflamingo. Anyone can defeat Doflamingo. The likelihood of it happening is the point here.

I know Luffy hasn't even been close to going all out. He's pretty stuck to his basic attacks, only adding Haki. He obviously has a lot more up his sleeve.

You might be right about Fujitora, but he's obviously ridiculously strong. Given that Aokiji and Akainu fought ten days, that means they were equals in every sense of the word. Just because Akainu won, that doesn't mean he has now gone way beyond Aokiji. But he is stronger than him. Kizaru is tricky, I don't know what to think of him.

 

[Vampy]

No, Hody can defeat Doflamingo. Anyone can defeat Doflamingo. The likelihood of it happening is the point here.

I know Luffy hasn't even been close to going all out. He's pretty stuck to his basic attacks, only adding Haki. He obviously has a lot more up his sleeve.

You might be right about Fujitora, but he's obviously ridiculously strong. Given that Aokiji and Akainu fought ten days, that means they were equals in every sense of the word. Just because Akainu won, that doesn't mean he has now gone way beyond Aokiji. But he is stronger than him. Kizaru is tricky, I don't know what to think of him.

"Hody, can defeat, Doflamingo", "Anyone can defeat, Doflamingo". What the hell are you trying to say?
You don't mean that literally do you? Hody, would get slaughtered.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

"Hody, can defeat, Doflamingo", "Anyone can defeat, Doflamingo". What the hell are you trying to say?
You don't mean that literally do you? Hody, would get slaughtered.

Of course I mean that. I don't think what it means when you say "can someone". Of course Hody can defeat Doflamingo. Everyone in the OP verse can defeat Doflamingo. That is a fact. But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Edit: Can - Used to indicate possibility or probability

In other words, Hody can do it. The likelihood of it happening is extremely low.

 

[Netferarri]

Not right now! =D=D

 

[Vampy]

Of course I mean that. I don't think what it means when you say "can someone". Of course Hody can defeat Doflamingo. Everyone in the OP verse can defeat Doflamingo. That is a fact. But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Edit: Can - Used to indicate possibility or probability

In other words, Hody can do it. The likelihood of it happening is extremely low.

Are you trying to say, Luffy isn't going to defeat, Doflamingo?

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Are you trying to say, Luffy isn't going to defeat, Doflamingo?

No. How did you get that out of what I said?

 

[Vampy]

No. How did you get that out of what I said?

Because I don't get a damn thing you're saying. You're confusing me big time and it seems like you may possibly be doing it on purpose.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Because I don't get a damn thing you're saying. You're confusing me big time and it seems like you may possibly be doing it on purpose.

What are you not getting? And hehe, no, I'm not doing it on purpose. I'll try to dumb it down.

 

[Vampy]

What are you not getting? And hehe, no, I'm not doing it on purpose. I'll try to dumb it down.

Are you saying that anyone can defeat, Doflamingo by getting stronger/strong enough to get the job done?

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Are you saying that anyone can defeat, Doflamingo by getting stronger/strong enough to get the job done?

No, what I'm saying is that anyone can defeat Doflamingo, that's it. There's always a possibility for losing, no matter the opponent. The chances of someone winning will never reach 100%

 

[Vampy]

No, what I'm saying is that anyone can defeat Doflamingo, that's it. There's always a possibility for losing, no matter the opponent. The chances of someone winning will never reach 100%

I'm not interested in such things.
Also, I don't consider some crap like "Doflamingo, slips and falls" and "Hody, shoots him in the head with a water blast" a win. I'm not interested in crap like that.

Anyways, I'm saying, Luffy can defeat, Doflamingo because, Luffy is strong enough to do so.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I'm not interested in such things.
Also, I don't consider some crap like "Doflamingo, slips and falls" and "Hody, shoots him in the head with a water blast" a win. I'm not interested in crap like that.

Anyways, I'm saying, Luffy can defeat, Doflamingo because, Luffy is strong enough to do so.

You're the one who made the thread, so rename it.

And no, I'm not saying they would because of luck. There are so many inconceivable intangibles in even the real world, this is a manga where human restrictions aren't a problem to most, so the intangibles expand immensely. There are many ways people could win a fight against Doflamingo without luck. If you can't see that, then too bad.