Kakuzu of the Akatsuki vs. Danzo Shimura

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The man with five hearts who blurs the line between living and dead, Kakuzu.

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The temporary 6th hokage who lived his life under the cover of darkness for his village, Danzo Shimura.

Restrictions: KA
Location: Underground ROOT base under Konoha
Mindset: Fight to the death.
 

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Danzo may have ten minutes of Izanagi where he can ignore any serious wound dealt to him, he doesn't have any jutsu capable of getting through Domu.

Kakuzu mid diff just because of the chakra it would take to keep Danzo down.
 

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If you dont restrict KA this would give danzo a chance to kill him 1/5 times and doesnt have domu tondeal with. But since its restricted kakuzu has the victory.

Although Baku combo can potentually break domu but still Ka needs to be unrestricted to have a perfectb50 50 scenrio
 

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If you dont restrict KA this would give danzo a chance to kill him 1/5 times and doesnt have domu tondeal with. But since its restricted kakuzu has the victory.

Although Baku combo can potentually break domu but still Ka needs to be unrestricted to have a perfectb50 50 scenrio
Enhanced wind cannot break Domu.. One to break Domu it has to be Raiton-based, and Two it has to be a penetrative assault (hence his Domu armor is that of Diamond hardness).

Baku is taken out rather effortlessly with Katon: Zukokku.
 

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Enhanced wind cannot break Domu.. One to break Domu it has to be Raiton-based, and Two it has to be a penetrative assault (hence his Domu armor is that of Diamond hardness).

Baku is taken out rather effortlessly with Katon: Zukokku.
Ok i expect some doubts even i doubt it thus i said potentually.
As for baku counter you right.
Thats why ka shouldnt be restricted because danzo focus would be to get rid of domu and kakuzu would just have fire style waiting for him to win this whole match up
 

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Ok i expect some doubts even i doubt it thus i said potentually.
As for baku counter you right.
Thats why ka shouldnt be restricted because danzo focus would be to get rid of domu and kakuzu would just have fire style waiting for him to win this whole match up
Kotoamatsukami wouldn't work as well. It's not like Tsukuyomi in which has to have Uchiha blood to break, it's a simple Genjutsu with beyond average power (to control the user). The intergration of his "Ghost" could disrupt his chakra, and set him free of the Genjutsu.

Remember when Ao broke (I believe he did anyway, at least he pinpointed the use of Kotoamatsukami) Mifune out of the Genjutsu.
 

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Kotoamatsukami wouldn't work as well. It's not like Tsukuyomi in which has to have Uchiha blood to break, it's a simple Genjutsu with beyond average power (to control the user). The intergration of his "Ghost" could disrupt his chakra, and set him free of the Genjutsu.

Remember when Ao broke (I believe he did anyway, at least he pinpointed the use of Kotoamatsukami) Mifune out of the Genjutsu.
Lol no dude its beyond tskn even itachi found it inferior. Even itachi got his chakra disrupted by kabuto and sasuke and ka was still in effect. A simple disruption will never work. As for the kage simmit they both never broke it. Ao only caugjt him red handed while mifue was confused from the whole situation then questioned danzo for the reasoned this proves that they were no signs of anyons candeling but danzo himself
 

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Lol no dude its beyond tskn even itachi found it inferior. Even itachi got his chakra disrupted by kabuto and sasuke and ka was still in effect. A simple disruption will never work. As for the kage simmit they both never broke it. Ao only caugjt him red handed while mifue was confused from the whole situation then questioned danzo for the reasoned this proves that they were no signs of anyons candeling but danzo himself
Kabuto was never shown to have disrupted his chakra flow in order to cancel out Kotoamatsukami. He was to busy trying to correct his mistake, and didn't accept reality in which he had lost the battle. Kakuzu wouldn't have to do that, as his mask or "ghosts" rejoin with him automatically once he's in danger, or when he wishes.
 

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Kabuto was never shown to have disrupted his chakra flow in order to cancel out Kotoamatsukami. He was to busy trying to correct his mistake, and didn't accept reality in which he had lost the battle. Kakuzu wouldn't have to do that, as his mask or "ghosts" rejoin with him automatically once he's in danger, or when he wishes.
That doesnt make sny sense. Genjustu attacks the chakra from your brain and disrupts it. Kabuti cannot make a decisión to define how genjutsu functions. Lets be real now. Kakuzu has no method of canceling it
 

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That doesnt make sny sense. Genjustu attacks the chakra from your brain and disrupts it. Kabuti cannot make a decisión to define how genjutsu functions. Lets be real now. Kakuzu has no method of canceling it
That's a huge contradiction seeing as ALL Genjutsu affects the brain, and disrupts it in someway. Yet Jiraiya told Naruto how to specifically counter Genjutsu via disruption of chakra flow.

So you've contradicted yourself heavily.


Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.​
 

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Dr proof i already establish this argument not too long ago. I cant quote all the stuff you remeber and still havrnt reply to the recent post. Im going g o further n detail but on phone ix too much to do
 

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That's a huge contradiction seeing as ALL Genjutsu affects the brain, and disrupts it in someway. Yet Jiraiya told Naruto how to specifically counter Genjutsu via disruption of chakra flow.



So you've contradicted yourself heavily.
Its not contradicting if the jutsu is unique in a way just like Itachi's. Since this method that J man explains doesn't work for Tsukuyomi does that make it a contradicting statement? Of cource not since Tsukuyomi has another specific method of beating this genjutsu.
KA is the same category of its unique and power genjutsu. It is proven that disrupting the chakra flow does nothing to stop it. Kabuto disrupted itachi's chakra flow and put him under a genjutsu that he was already in (KA). Then you have Sasuke genjutsuing Itachi to destroy the genjutsu he was in. You are having a genjutsu inception occurring in Itachi and yet KA commands is still in effect.



Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.​
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The brain, and the heart are both used as chakra storage's if I may. Chakra is the main solvent to everything within the Narutoverse; Chakra supplies life, and death, chakra controls people, chakra basically is the universal solution to everything. So why exactly wouldn't a chakra transmitter such as the heart be ale to perform basic instructions similar to what the brain can do (this is Naruto after all).
It could for example Sasori. But it couldn't for Kakuzu because his body still implies real flesh. He has real ears, heart(s), and blood circulation. Sasori has an excuse because he literally can switch into another doll and has all his thoughts/life into a new wooden puppet. Kakuzu cannot. Naruto still implies that a real brain and heart plays a role in NV. Your premises only works for Kakuzu's mask and not him.

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Also Jiongu may play a huge part in this, as it may seem that the threads/tendrils have a symbiotic type relationship with Kakuzu. Who knows Jiongu itself could be similar to Samehada, and could actually be what supports Kakuzu's many functions.
Good observation this may be true.

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We cannot concur if Kakuzu has a brain or not, but this is a theory (one of the best on base if I may say). So we cannot really be assured if it's correct or not, but at the very least it's plausible.
We actually can see the manga has implied he has blood circulation, real heart(s), and logically he needs a brain to think. Otherwise you will have consistency of believing Kakuzu can still think the same way even by stealing different shinboi hearts (which al have their own minds, DNA, and personality.

This post on spoilers is your last words were we left off in our conversation with this exploit and I said:

It could for example Sasori. But it couldn't for Kakuzu because his body still implies real flesh. He has real ears, heart(s), and blood circulation. Sasori has an excuse because he literally can switch into another doll and has all his thoughts/life into a new wooden puppet. Kakuzu cannot. Naruto still implies that a real brain and heart plays a role in NV. Your premises only works for Kakuzu's mask and not him.



Good observation this may be true.



We actually can see the manga has implied he has blood circulation, real heart(s), and logically he needs a brain to think. Otherwise you will have consistency of believing Kakuzu can still think the same way even by stealing different shinboi hearts (which al have their own minds, DNA, and personality.
Kakuzu has a brain and can still be put under a genjustu
 
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