Sm naruto takes 4th raikage high diff! (im turnt up) manga supported

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

while i agree fact still remains that Ay still lost an arm making himself vulnerable, But i still see what your saying.
EDIT: im going to log off for a bit and work out a little bit ill be back on later.

Well so long as fighting style is consider than I completely agree that SM Naruto beat Ay

 

[Lucidus]

Well, it wouldn't shed through it, it'd break it down for a second like Chidori, but a SM ransengan would shred it.

lol i assumed it was sage mode anyways so i said it would shred through especially considering how big naruto can make his rasengan

 

[Murasame]

Uh oh I see AlphaScythian on this thread.. I wont be suprised if he says Naruto loses

 

[AlphaScythian]

I heavily disagree.
While naruto is capable of surviving A in his SM, it will eventually run out and he will lose.

The scan with naruto instantly entering SM is flawed. Its a flashback from a memory timeline isnt continuous there.
Naruto commented on extending SM duration? Well next hour he was chasing sasuke, i dont think he managed to extend it greatly meanwhile if at all, so dont take it as given.

A can survive anything SM can throw at him and will simply outlast.

Uh oh I see AlphaScythian on this thread.. I wont be suprised if he says Naruto loses

XD. Im surprised naruto fans still keep pushing SM to new extends. SM naruto isnt enough due to short duration and due to weak base naruto has.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Uh oh I see AlphaScythian on this thread.. I wont be suprised if he says Naruto loses

We'll given that Sasuke's not involved, we'll have to see. Let's give him a chance.

 

[Optimistic]

Uh oh I see AlphaScythian on this thread.. I wont be suprised if he says Naruto loses

We'll given that Sasuke's not involved, we'll have to see. Let's give him a chance.

I heavily disagree.
While naruto is capable of surviving A in his SM, it will eventually run out and he will lose.

The scan with naruto instantly entering SM is flawed. Its a flashback from a memory timeline isnt continuous there.
Naruto commented on extending SM duration? Well next hour he was chasing sasuke, i dont think he managed to extend it greatly meanwhile if at all, so dont take it as given.

A can survive anything SM can throw at him and will simply outlast.

oh the irony.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I heavily disagree.
While naruto is capable of surviving A in his SM, it will eventually run out and he will lose.

The scan with naruto instantly entering SM is flawed. Its a flashback from a memory timeline isnt continuous there.
Naruto commented on extending SM duration? Well next hour he was chasing sasuke, i dont think he managed to extend it greatly meanwhile if at all, so dont take it as given.

A can survive anything SM can throw at him and will simply outlast.

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[AlphaScythian]

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Well this changes everything. No its not.
The only real chance naruto has is with summons and frog genjutsu.

 

[Murasame]

I heavily disagree.
While naruto is capable of surviving A in his SM, it will eventually run out and he will lose.

The scan with naruto instantly entering SM is flawed. Its a flashback from a memory timeline isnt continuous there.
Naruto commented on extending SM duration? Well next hour he was chasing sasuke, i dont think he managed to extend it greatly meanwhile if at all, so dont take it as given.

A can survive anything SM can throw at him and will simply outlast.


XD. Im surprised naruto fans still keep pushing SM to new extends. SM naruto isnt enough due to short duration and due to weak base naruto has.

We'll given that Sasuke's not involved, we'll have to see. Let's give him a chance.

Well you got your answer just as expected from Alpha :dead:
I'll let you take this one.. I'm not in the mood to debate this although I'll probably support you

 

[Sennin of Logic]

@alphascythian.

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If base Naruto's weak, so's Kakashi. That's untrue.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well this changes everything. No its not.
The only real chance naruto has is with summons and frog genjutsu.

Saying that it changes nothing doesn't mean that you're right. I'm afraid that you'll have to prove me wrong. Otherwise, it's just your opinion.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Saying that it changes nothing doesn't mean that you're right. I'm afraid that you'll have to prove me wrong. Otherwise, it's just your opinion.

Yes naruto's base is average, SM enhancement is what puts him on near kage level. Kakashi has strong base w/o SM and can hold it for more then 5 min.
I think we'r grown up enough to understand that 3rd raikage who fought 10000 ninjas and who practically soloed 8-tails is far stronger then SM naruto despite the silly way kishi found to defeat him. SM could never replicate this feats.
Ay who is both faster and logically his raiton armour V2 should grant more defense due to more chakra output.

As i said only sage frogs save naruto here. I dont feel like proving obvious to you.

 

[TrollingSage]

I heavily disagree.
While naruto is capable of surviving A in his SM, it will eventually run out and he will lose.

The scan with naruto instantly entering SM is flawed. Its a flashback from a memory timeline isnt continuous there.
Naruto commented on extending SM duration? Well next hour he was chasing sasuke, i dont think he managed to extend it greatly meanwhile if at all, so dont take it as given.

A can survive anything SM can throw at him and will simply outlast.


XD. Im surprised naruto fans still keep pushing SM to new extends. SM naruto isnt enough due to short duration and due to weak base naruto has.

Ay is a close combat type. Lets see what happens when he tries tai jutsu on Naruto
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[Sennin of Logic]

Yes naruto's base is average, SM enhancement is what puts him on near kage level. Kakashi has strong base w/o SM and can hold it for more then 5 min.
I think we'r grown up enough to understand that 3rd raikage who fought 10000 ninjas and who practically soloed 8-tails is far stronger then SM naruto despite the silly way kishi found to defeat him. SM could never replicate this feats.
Ay who is both faster and logically his raiton armour V2 should grant more defense due to more chakra output.

As i said only sage frogs save naruto here. I dont feel like proving obvious to you.

It's incorrect, therefore, it's not obvious. Take a look at these scans.

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This means that A's durability is weaker than the 3rd's. For A's assistant to make this statement means that she know his limits compared to the 3rd very well. It's possible that A tried and failed at one point. Even though his lightning armor protected him, it's very clear that A isn't as durable as his father.

Also, the 3rd holds the title of strongest raikage. Saying that A can replicate his feats simply because he's his son and is also a raikage is a bad argument.

 

[Baka Sennin]

I agree. Sm Naruto has a few things going for him in this kind of battle- the enhanced speed, durability, and most important of all sensing will allow him to handle Ay's all taijutsu style with relative ease. iirc Naruto has only been hit once while in sm so far, and that was a clone hit by the juubi on purpose to save kakashi.

sidenote- i think naruto in the manga said that the 3rd raikage is as fast as Ay. so he should be able to handle Ay's speed.

but the most important thing he's got going for him is that wind is strong against lighting. as he will need rasenshuriken to defeat Ay's raiton armour, and it will work as Ay's raiton armour is weaker than the 3rd and the 3rd raikage still lost his chakra cloak and suffered superficial damage when he ate a Frs anyway. which means he would have died from his chakra vessels being cut, despite not being torn to pieces. I think Ay would be able to dodge an Frs pretty easily, however Naruto can expand it in Sm which might catch Ay off guard, he can disguise clones to catch him off guard, use a combination of smoke bombs and sensing, or he could simply not throw it and attack directly with a clone. and the sage toads have certain capabilities which work as well like the sound genjutsu and that paralyzing frog call.

that said, Naruto as he was when he fought pain would lose as he simply can't hold sm for long enough and Ay would destroy him when he tries to reverse summon a clone. Now that Kurama's cooperating however he should be able to merge with the toads and stay in sm indefinitely, plus he enters sm instantly now.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I agree. Sm Naruto has a few things going for him in this kind of battle- the enhanced speed, durability, and most important of all sensing will allow him to handle Ay's all taijutsu style with relative ease. iirc Naruto has only been hit once while in sm so far, and that was a clone hit by the juubi on purpose to save kakashi.

sidenote- i think naruto in the manga said that the 3rd raikage is as fast as Ay. so he should be able to handle Ay's speed.

but the most important thing he's got going for him is that wind is strong against lighting. as he will need rasenshuriken to defeat Ay's raiton armour, and it will work as Ay's raiton armour is weaker than the 3rd and the 3rd raikage still lost his chakra cloak and suffered superficial damage when he ate a Frs anyway. which means he would have died from his chakra vessels being cut, despite not being torn to pieces. I think Ay would be able to dodge an Frs pretty easily, however Naruto can expand it in Sm which might catch Ay off guard, he can disguise clones to catch him off guard, use a combination of smoke bombs and sensing, or he could simply not throw it and attack directly with a clone. and the sage toads have certain capabilities which work as well like the sound genjutsu and that paralyzing frog call.

that said, Naruto as he was when he fought pain would lose as he simply can't hold sm for long enough and Ay would destroy him when he tries to reverse summon a clone. Now that Kurama's cooperating however he should be able to merge with the toads and stay in sm indefinitely, plus he enters sm instantly now.

I think we're using the SM Naruto we've seen recently. He wouldn't even need ransenshuriken to hurt A. Chidori did a little damage to A despite lightning armor, and it's only as strong as a normal ransengan. SM enhanced ransengans would do much more damage, also, a giant and massive ransengan in SM would destroy him. Just throwing this out.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It's incorrect, therefore, it's not obvious. Take a look at these scans.

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This means that A's durability is weaker than the 3rd's. For A's assistant to make this statement means that she know his limits compared to the 3rd very well. It's possible that A tried and failed at one point. Even though his lightning armor protected him, it's very clear that A isn't as durable as his father.
Also, the 3rd holds the title of strongest raikage. Saying that A can replicate his feats simply because he's his son and is also a raikage is a bad argument.

Yes the statements all hype 3rd raikage here, but didnt A survived FTG w/o any injuries? Didnt he tank sasuke's swords with chidori on it? Didnt sasuke's chidori barely breached raiton armor V1? Didnt he tank juugo's attack? Obviously V2 would grant more defense. A simply lacks nukite to top his father in offense but speed and defense i think he got it.

 

[ntel]

Denial? Butthurt?
Yeah clearly one sided
You created that whole fight
Example:
"Naruto would grab raikage and get a grip of him"

What makes you think Naruto would even get a chance to grab ay
You simulated a fight between the two and pretty much made it to benefit Naruto all to prove your incorrect point so yes making stuff up illogical
And one sided

Yes I agree,you have a point..it is one sided never the less,good thread you tried to back up your statements.

If SM Naruto doesn't get speed blitz at the start and can fuse with Ma and Pa now he takes this.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Yes the statements all hype 3rd raikage here, but didnt A survived FTG w/o any injuries? Didnt he tank sasuke's swords with chidori on it? Didnt sasuke's chidori barely breached raiton armor V1? Didnt he tank juugo's attack? Obviously V2 would grant more defense. A simply lacks nukite to top his father in offense but speed and defense i think he got it.

He did survive, but it's very clear that he hadn't inherited his father's full durability. V2 means nothing when used in defense since A only uses it in short bursts. He can't keep it on as a defense.

What a character can take outweighs what a character with similar abilities can take. Simple fact is, chidori hurt him, base ransengan=chidori, SM enhances ninjutsu, therefore, SM ransengan would break through A's shield since it's stronger than chidori. What the 3rd tanked means nothing since we've already seen A's limits in durability.

 

[ntel]

Yes the statements all hype 3rd raikage here, but didnt A survived FTG w/o any injuries? Didnt he tank sasuke's swords with chidori on it? Didnt sasuke's chidori barely breached raiton armor V1? Didnt he tank juugo's attack? Obviously V2 would grant more defense. A simply lacks nukite to top his father in offense but speed and defense i think he got it.

Okay let me clear things up,A survived FTG because of Bee assisting him against Minato.It was basically 2 on 1,Sasukes sword with chidori on it???? didnt see that,Its amazing that Sasuke's chidori breached him..why? because his lightning armour AND chidori are both the same element which is what A meant,we dont know if he did tank Juugo's attack or simply evaded it with his high speed movement.A>his dad when it comes to speed but everything else the 3rd Raikage beats him