Sm naruto takes 4th raikage high diff! (im turnt up) manga supported

[Prince Charles]

Aww man i cant deal anymore so much people think Ay can beat Sm naruto for all the wrong reasons when in reality Sm naruto takes Ay with mid-high diff!

As i have said in my previous VS threads, you can choose to debate properly and post come legit counters and arguments, or post troll comments and post troll memes and make your self look like a fool. You're choice has no effect on me but rather your IQ

Gotta give credit to my homie Naruto x man, he pulled up some scans regarding Sm naruto which greatly help me make this thread, his a great debater so hit him up sometimes he recalled some old scans regarding the kurama fight with sm naruto.

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Sm naruto has shown the capabilities to keep up with Ay undoubtedly. People Never put into consideration of Sm narutos enhanced sensing abilities (

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). Take the 3rd raikage was shown to have great evasive and reaction time during the war[

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] Look at these scans regarding the 3rd raikage, he is blind by the rays of the sun yet is still able to dodge the rasenshuriken. We also see a flashback of kcm naruto fighting Ay which shows the speed of the 3rd is no joke

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Now of course hype shows that Ay is known to be faster than his dad while his dad is known for his strong body but no doubt i believe the 3rd's raiton speed is should be somewhat comparable to his sons.

2 versions of Ay's raiton speed.

We are all aware of the fact that Ay has one form of his raiton where its simply raiton but yet another form where his combines his shunshin with it. Not only will Sm naruto be able to sens the raikage and evade him but also sense the build of chakra from the Ay to let him know he is going into his v2 speed.

How can Sm naruto sense the build up Ay's chakra going into v2 mode?

Quite simple really heres a quote from the databook itself.

Senjutsu (仙術; Literally meaning "Sage Techniques") refers to a specialised field of techniques that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy (自然エネルギー, shizen enerugī) around a person. Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu.

This new chakra enables the user to enter an empowered state called Sage Mode, which can then drastically increase the strength of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu. A person who is able to use senjutsu is called a sage (仙人, sennin) and if one perfects sennin mode The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.
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Go straight to the bottom where it saids, '' A person who is able to use senjutsu is called a sage (仙人, sennin) and if one perfects sennin mode The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.''

Naruto mastered Sm which gives him the ability to sense chakra around him. Going by this Sm naruto will be able to sense the build up of chakra from Ay allowing him to know that Ay is planning on increasing his speed.

Underestimating Sm narutos pain endurance and durability.
Everytime theres a discussion between Ay vs Sm naruto people always bring up the scan

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. People simply dont understand that Sage mode and KCM mode serve different purposes and give different advantages. If Ay managed to land a clean hit on Sm naruto he will feel little to no damage because sage mode grants the user high endurance.

Examples of what i mean when i say high pain endurance, he falls off the tip point of a spike and falls to the surface where sharp spikes are and feel little no pain at all.[

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A single punch from Ay isnt enough to harm Sm naruto. People always confuse KCM and overrate when Sage mode is entirely different. While i agree that kCM mode gives the user extra and adds more chakra and what not,

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Sage mode naruto was able to throw kurama.[

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Sm naruto didnt do too bad against kurama especially when kurama hit him point blank with his fist and sm naruto pretty much tanked it.[

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] Unless you're saying Ay has more strength thats kuramas fist? Ay isnt damaging Sm naruto, well atleast not as easy the way people put it.

This fight will be pretty much taijutsu of course.
Both opponents are skillful in the art of taijutsu in this case. It should be noted that Sm naruto is more tuned in nature and his surroundings and which improves his perception around his current environment.[

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While i do agree that Sm naruto will have to be on his guard the whole time due to Ay's speed, Naruto does not need to make direct contact with the opponent to land a hit as

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Rasegan and chidori pretty much always cancel each other out. Note that Pre Ms sasuke was capable of Piercing the 4th raikages raiton armor with a chidori[

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]. What should this say about narutos rasegan? especially his enhanced rasegan.

Sage mode time limit now reduced
The time limit it takes for naruto to re enter SM is actually quite reduced to little to none now since his been getting more used it and

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Look at the confrontation between naruto and iruka,

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look at the Naruto clone enter sage mode within a matter of seconds against the 3rd raikage.[

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Naruto coming up with battle strategies with the use of his clones for the fourth raikage

We already know Naruto comes up with very smart tactics with the use of his clones. As shown in the pain fight, naruto can transform himself into the actual attack[

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]. With Sm narutos amazing strength (picking up kurama and throwing him) he will grab hold of A same as he did with the path of pain[

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]. It possible Ay will be able to get loose of narutos tight grip but most likely he wont but its possible he can.

One more tactic that may work on the fourth raikage

As shown in the pain fight naruto can disguise his clones as the surroundings which he did against pain[

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This trick by naruto will surprise the 4th raikage which may not be able to keep up with all the clones surrounding him as shown against edo madara wood clone managed to catch him by surprise

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Once all the clones surround him, A will have this in store for him.[

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]. A wide scale wall of big ball rasegans from all angles which he may or may not be able to evade, possibly he can with the use of his raiton speed.

taking all this into consideration Naruto re entering sage mode wont take as nearly as long as it used to. Which is why i believe Sm naruto can take Ay with high diff. I didnt go full into detail i just gave the basics.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Ahhhhhhhaaaahhhh
My face
I just ran into your wall of text

Raikage>sm Naruto

 

[Prince Charles]

That's very nice. I see you've been taking a close look at Sir Derp Obito and Dr. Proof's threads (lots of colorful text and a lot of pictures).

That's very devious of you because people will agree now without reading.

And that's stating the obvious anyway

haha i used simple colors like green/red/blue to spice it up a bit. xd

 

[Prince Charles]

Ahhhhhhhaaaahhhh
My face
I just ran into your wall of text

Raikage>sm Naruto

............. did you not read the beginning? you just made yourself look like a fool.:|

 

[Bieber]

Ahhhhhhhaaaahhhh
My face
I just ran into your wall of text

Raikage>sm Naruto

If you would have read it you wouldn't be saying Ay > SM Naruto.

OT: Very nice thread and I agree.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Good thread...


However, you didn't show any scan or proof that Naruto can evade Ei's V2 Shunsin.

Note that he can sense the chakra buildup and he has the ability to evade high-speed opponents, but that doesn't come close to prove that Sennin Modo Naruto can keep up with Ei's speed.

And one more note is that Rasengan and Chidori always cancel out, but the difference is Chidori is a piercing technique and Rasengan isn't. There is no guarantee that a Rasengan can break Ei's armor.

 

[Prince Charles]

If you would have read it you wouldn't be saying Ay > SM Naruto.

OT: Very nice thread and I agree.

thanks for the support bulz. and honestly it isnt that long.. if you read text books in schools this is nothing compared to them

 

[Prince Charles]

Good thread...


However, you didn't show any scan or proof that Naruto can evade Ei's V2 Shunsin.

Note that he can sense the chakra buildup and he has the ability to evade high-speed opponents, but that doesn't come close to prove that Sennin Modo Naruto can keep up with Ei's speed.

Thanks for the support!

Of course he can evade v2 shunshin, like you said he will sense the build up of chakra due to his sensing which will indicate to him that the raikage is about to increase his speed, the result would make Sm naruto on guard more. I already provided scans of naruto having more perception and being aware of his surroundings which will help him be more aware of the raikages movements making it appear in a more high detail way, sort of like the sharigans precognitive abilities.

 

[sealingscroll]

good job .

 

[hixa kuogame]

............. did you not read the beginning? you just made yourself look like a fool.:|

If you would have read it you wouldn't be saying Ay > SM Naruto.

OT: Very nice thread and I agree.

I tried really but I knew that this thread was illogical because all the op did was give Naruto counters to ay but didn't evaluate ays counters to Naruto
This is a one sided thread
And its filled with assumptions
You can't just evaluate narutos abilities and make stuff up and shape them to your liking's

I have yet to make myself look like a fool

 

[Prince Charles]

good job .

Much appreciated.

 

[Prince Charles]

I tried ready but I knew that this thread was illogical because all the op did was give Naruto counters to ay but didn't evaluate ays counters to Naruto
This is a one sided thread
And its filled with assumptions
You can't just evaluate narutos abilities and make stuff up and shape them to your liking's

make up stuff? illogical? smh.. gtfo troll really one sided?

 

[ballerjordan]

I agree with you, good work.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Nice thread and I completely agree that there's a possibility that Naruto can win against Ay

 

[hixa kuogame]

make up stuff? illogical? smh.. gtfo troll really one sided?

Denial? Butthurt?
Yeah clearly one sided
You created that whole fight
Example:
"Naruto would grab raikage and get a grip of him"

What makes you think Naruto would even get a chance to grab ay
You simulated a fight between the two and pretty much made it to benefit Naruto all to prove your incorrect point so yes making stuff up illogical
And one sided

 

[Lightning Release]

A Naruto CLONE beat the Edo Raikage, this is a no brainer. I agree! SM naruto is so underrated.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Thanks for the support!

Of course he can evade v2 shunshin, like you said he will sense the build up of chakra due to his sensing which will indicate to him that the raikage is about to increase his speed, the result would make Sm naruto on guard more. I already provided scans of naruto having more perception and being aware of his surroundings which will help him be more aware of the raikages movements making it appear in a more high detail way, sort of like the sharigans precognitive abilities.

Yes, indeed it is comparable to the Sharingan's precognitive abilities, however even Sasuke's Sharingan could not keep up with Ei's V2 Shunsin. Karin also notes nothing can compare [

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] to Raikage's speed.

The greatest speed Sennin Modo Naruto has ever dodged was Sandaime Raikage and he was more than a match for him. Sandaime Raikage isn't as fast as Yondaime, I'd say he is more comparable to V1 Ei at best. That's why I do not believe that Sennin Modo Naruto can defeat Raikage Ei.

Ei can dodge all of Naruto's attacks while Naruto cannot dodge Ei.

 

[Prince Charles]

Denial? Butthurt?
Yeah clearly one sided
You created that whole fight
Example:
"Naruto would grab raikage and get a grip of him"

What makes you think Naruto would even get a chance to grab ay
You simulated a fight between the two and pretty much made it to benefit Naruto all to prove your incorrect point so yes making stuff up illogical
And one sided

I did not stimulate anything, are you retarded? i gave logical strategies for naruto using his shadow clones and the strategy is already manga supported. We know the shadow clone jutsu is a main attribute to narutos fighting style.Smh i was merely giving scenarios. Save your self the embarrassment and log off.

 

[Kαmi]

Good thread...


However, you didn't show any scan or proof that Naruto can evade Ei's V2 Shunsin.

Note that he can sense the chakra buildup and he has the ability to evade high-speed opponents, but that doesn't come close to prove that Sennin Modo Naruto can keep up with Ei's speed.

And one more note is that Rasengan and Chidori always cancel out, but the difference is Chidori is a piercing technique and Rasengan isn't. There is no guarantee that a Rasengan can break Ei's armor.

I agree with this. SM Naruto might have the precognitive skills to know where V2 Ay might be coming from but he doesn't have the speed or defense to prevent V2 Ay from consistently attacking him. Sure he might be able to dodge a move or two but IMO, Ay would overwhelm Naruto with his speed and attacking from different angles since Naruto doesn't have the speed to keep up with him. Naruto's best chance would be to try and tank a hit and then use Rasengan but as the user I'm quoting mentioned, Rasengan probably wouldn't have much affect on V2 armor.

I tried really but I knew that this thread was illogical because all the op did was give Naruto counters to ay but didn't evaluate ays counters to Naruto
This is a one sided thread
And its filled with assumptions
You can't just evaluate narutos abilities and make stuff up and shape them to your liking's

I have yet to make myself look like a fool

I also agree with this, I felt like this thread was one-sided but nonetheless, good work on the thread. I'll have to disagree though, I think SM Naruto gets beat mid-high diff.

 

[Prince Charles]

Yes, indeed it is comparable to the Sharingan's precognitive abilities, however even Sasuke's Sharingan could not keep up with Ei's V2 Shunsin. Karin also notes nothing can compare [

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] to Raikage's speed.

The greatest speed Sennin Modo Naruto has ever dodged was Sandaime Raikage and he was more than a match for him. Sandaime Raikage isn't as fast as Yondaime, I'd say he is more comparable to V1 Ei at best. That's why I do not believe that Sennin Modo Naruto can defeat Raikage Ei.

Ei can dodge all of Naruto's attacks while Naruto cannot dodge Ei.

Actually no, sasuke actually managed to track some of Ay's movements with the use of his sharigan[

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