[Debate] Izuna Kakashi Senju vs Forbidden Technique

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SM Jiraiya(Izuna Kakashi Senju) vs Gaara (Forbidden Technique)

Location: Were the sannin fought
Knowledge:Manga
Restrictions:Frog Song
Judges:fastrthnwind,Zexion
 
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This looks interesting. Can I judge?
 

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Not sure what 10/char means, but no offense to theTheEvilOne, he is not someone I would want judging a debate i'm participating in. Sorry. Way too biased for my liking.
 
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Gaara should take this. Whoever is using SM Jiraiya better play their cards right.
 

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Not sure what 10/char means, but no offense to theTheEvilOne, he is not someone I would want judging a debate i'm participating in. Sorry. Way too biased for my liking.

I can't be biased because I'm not a Jiraiya or Gaara fan/ hater. . ;) And honestly, I have no idea who would win this. I can be convinced.
 
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As we have seen before in his battle against the Mizukage oil is Gaara's weakness [ ] and most of Jiraiya's moveset involves alot of oil. Jiraiya won't be alone on the field as he always has his summons with him and in every battle he has had, he always summons the chief toad Gamabunta. Bunta will be useful against Gaara as Jiraiya and Bunta have huge collaboration jutsu [ ] and if a drugged Jiraiya with Bunta's assistance was able to produce such a large scale Katon and oil collaboration a healthy Jiraiya's Toad oil flame bullet would be even larger. And as said by Gaara himself "even if I defend myself with sand, it seeps in and destroys it" he is talking about the oil and Jiraiya can use oil himself and can use his Toad oil bullet to counter Gaara's sand attacks [ ] which not only has large width but is thousands of degrees hot. If this hits Gaara's armour would be torn clean off and would leave him open for a Chou Oodama Rasengan [ ].

The hardest thing about fighting Gaara is stopping him from reaching the air and Jiraiya's summons can be used to stop him going airbourne by using the Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu to send Gaara flying back down [ ] then while Gaara is on the floor use the Doton: Yomi Numa to trap him [ ] then proceed to finish him with a Chou Oodama Rasengan or use his Sage Art:Needle Senbon [ ]. Or Jiraiya can use the Kuchiyose: Gamaguchi Shibari to swallow Gaara [ ] and as Amaterasu was the only jutsu shown to be able to escape from this technique and Gaara has no jutsu on the same caliber as Amaterasu and thus won't be able to counter it.

This is my opening argument, didn't get to write much due to my phone's dodgy internet connection.
 
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Id love too judge if the slots still open
 

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As we have seen before in his battle against the Mizukage oil is Gaara's weakness [ ] and most of Jiraiya's moveset involves alot of oil. Jiraiya won't be alone on the field as he always has his summons with him and in every battle he has had, he always summons the chief toad Gamabunta. Bunta will be useful against Gaara as Jiraiya and Bunta have huge collaboration jutsu [ ] and if a drugged Jiraiya with Bunta's assistance was able to produce such a large scale Katon and oil collaboration a healthy Jiraiya's Toad oil flame bullet would be even larger. And as said by Gaara himself "even if I defend myself with sand, it seeps in and destroys it" he is talking about the oil and Jiraiya can use oil himself and can use his Toad oil bullet to counter Gaara's sand attacks [ ] which not only has large width but is thousands of degrees hot. If this hits Gaara's armour would be torn clean off and would leave him open for a Chou Oodama Rasengan [ ].

The hardest thing about fighting Gaara is stopping him from reaching the air and Jiraiya's summons can be used to stop him going airbourne by using the Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu to send Gaara flying back down [ ] then while Gaara is on the floor use the Doton: Yomi Numa to trap him [ ] then proceed to finish him with a Chou Oodama Rasengan or use his Sage Art:Needle Senbon [ ]. Or Jiraiya can use the Kuchiyose: Gamaguchi Shibari to swallow Gaara [ ] and as Amaterasu was the only jutsu shown to be able to escape from this technique and Gaara has no jutsu on the same caliber as Amaterasu and thus won't be able to counter it.

This is my opening argument, didn't get to write much due to my phone's dodgy internet connection.

Ah, the oil. Let me begin by stating that the "oil" that was stated to be Gaaras weakness, and the oil that Jiraiya uses ,are not the exact same substance. Allow me to explain.

  • Trollkages Oil

    The Trollkages oil, that Gaara has mentioned to seep through his sand and destroy it, isn't exactly just oil. It is a mixture of water and oil. This is proven when it was referred to as a " " thus implying that it isn't just oil, but water as well. This is confirmed to be the case, when Onoki was explaining the mechanics of Joki Boy. He mentioned that the Mizukages body contains .

  • Jiraiyas Oil

    Now, the substance that Jiraiya uses is pure oil. A and very flammable substance.

The difference between the two, is that the oily water the Mizukage uses is very slick and slippery. Reason why Gaara noted it to seep threw his sand. While in contact with the sand, the watery oil turned it into a gooey, slimy, . Jiraiyas oil lacks the watery substance to make is slick and slippery in order for it seep threw Gaaras sand as effectively.

So let's move on.

On The Defensive


You listed some techniques Jiraiya is capable of using, however what you didn't include, is how he lands them on Gaara.

Gaara being an aerial based fighter is already hard to deal with. Add in the fact that he is noted by Naruto (who just finished fighting the 3rd Raikage) to possess , landing a direct hit will be no easy task. Especially for a non long-range fighter.

You mentioned Gaaras sand won't be able to sustain the heat from techniques such as Jiraiyas collaborative Toad-Oil Flame Bullet and Goemon, but Gaara's sand has shown to withstand hotter. The sand withstood Amaterasu [ ], said to be the hottest form of Katon. As well as Deidaras C3 [ ]-[ ]

Countering Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu

This is a worthy counter in order to stop Gaara from going airborne, however it is avoidable. How you may ask? The answer is clone feints. Though, most likely being some sort of Space/Time Ninjutsu, it is still a form of summoning. Therefore the procedure requiring a summoning applies. Gaara who is known closely analyze his opponents will obviously take note of this and prepare accordingly. Between the time it takes to prepare the summoning and the the time before the animal is actually summoned and dropped, Gaara can use this window to create a . Take note of what Kakashi says in the scan that I provided. Gaara used a clone feint between the very small window provided when Lee stopped his body for only a split second [ ]. This allows Gaara to avoid Food Cart Destroyer and emerge from the ground unscathed.

This serves as a perfect segway into Gaara's counter attack.




The Offensive


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He can begin on his counter attack.

Considering the fact that creating sand comes effortless for Gaara, he can immediately create a giant even in a grass field. Only this time, . This will crash down on the boss toad and Jiraiya and sweep the entire area in sand. The Sand Tsunami will be followed by a . Not only does this serve as a purpose of attack, but it also blinds Jiraiyas line of sight, thus allowing Gaara to go airborne afterwards.

Gaara's Overwhelming Combos

Gaara is a very dangerous opponent given the fact that he can attack from the sky, surface, and below the surface almost simultaneously. While Jiraiya is focusing on avoiding the giant wave of sand crashing down on him, Gaara can prepare a as well as using the sand already on the surface to take hold of Jiraiyas feet to keep him from moving. The Suna Arare are giant clumps of sand that cover a wide area and crash down onto the opponent. Jiraiya being unable to move, will get pelted by this technique causing a great amount of damage.

Even if SM Jiraiya manages to survive such an onslaught of attacks, there is nothing stopping Gaara from proceeding with more. As Gaaras battle style is to distance himself far from the opponent and use continuous amounts of attacks to overwhelm the opponent. After the Suna Arare, Gaara can perform [ ] in a much wider scale, which will bury Jiraiya 200 Meters in the earth, with so much pressure that not even the smallest of movements are possible. No movement=no jutsu=death. GG good sir.



 
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Ah, the oil. Let me begin by stating that the "oil" that was stated to be Gaaras weakness, and the oil that Jiraiya uses ,are not the exact same substance. Allow me to explain.

  • Trollkages Oil

    The Trollkages oil, that Gaara has mentioned to seep through his sand and destroy it, isn't exactly just oil. It is a mixture of water and oil. This is proven when it was referred to as a " " thus implying that it isn't just oil, but water as well. This is confirmed to be the case, when Onoki was explaining the mechanics of Joki Boy. He mentioned that the Mizukages body contains .

  • Jiraiyas Oil

    Now, the substance that Jiraiya uses is pure oil. A and very flammable substance.

The difference between the two, is that the oily water the Mizukage uses is very slick and slippery. Reason why Gaara noted it to seep threw his sand. While in contact with the sand, the watery oil turned it into a gooey, slimy, . Jiraiyas oil lacks the watery substance to make is slick and slippery in order for it seep threw Gaaras sand as effectively.

So let's move on.

On The Defensive


You listed some techniques Jiraiya is capable of using, however what you didn't include, is how he lands them on Gaara.

Gaara being an aerial based fighter is already hard to deal with. Add in the fact that he is noted by Naruto (who just finished fighting the 3rd Raikage) to possess , landing a direct hit will be no easy task. Especially for a non long-range fighter.

You mentioned Gaaras sand won't be able to sustain the heat from techniques such as Jiraiyas collaborative Toad-Oil Flame Bullet and Goemon, but Gaara's sand has shown to withstand hotter. The sand withstood Amaterasu [ ], said to be the hottest form of Katon. As well as Deidaras C3 [ ]-[ ]

Countering Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu

This is a worthy counter in order to stop Gaara from going airborne, however it is avoidable. How you may ask? The answer is clone feints. Though, most likely being some sort of Space/Time Ninjutsu, it is still a form of summoning. Therefore the procedure requiring a summoning applies. Gaara who is known closely analyze his opponents will obviously take note of this and prepare accordingly. Between the time it takes to prepare the summoning and the the time before the animal is actually summoned and dropped, Gaara can use this window to create a . Take note of what Kakashi says in the scan that I provided. Gaara used a clone feint between the very small window provided when Lee stopped his body for only a split second [ ]. This allows Gaara to avoid Food Cart Destroyer and emerge from the ground unscathed.

This serves as a perfect segway into Gaara's counter attack.




The Offensive


After Gaara emerges from the ground unscathed...

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He can begin on his counter attack.

Considering the fact that creating sand comes effortless for Gaara, he can immediately create a giant even in a grass field. Only this time, . This will crash down on the boss toad and Jiraiya and sweep the entire area in sand. The Sand Tsunami will be followed by a . Not only does this serve as a purpose of attack, but it also blinds Jiraiyas line of sight, thus allowing Gaara to go airborne afterwards.

Gaara's Overwhelming Combos

Gaara is a very dangerous opponent given the fact that he can attack from the sky, surface, and below the surface almost simultaneously. While Jiraiya is focusing on avoiding the giant wave of sand crashing down on him, Gaara can prepare a as well as using the sand already on the surface to take hold of Jiraiyas feet to keep him from moving. The Suna Arare are giant clumps of sand that cover a wide area and crash down onto the opponent. Jiraiya being unable to move, will get pelted by this technique causing a great amount of damage.

Even if SM Jiraiya manages to survive such an onslaught of attacks, there is nothing stopping Gaara from proceeding with more. As Gaaras battle style is to distance himself far from the opponent and use continuous amounts of attacks to overwhelm the opponent. After the Suna Arare, Gaara can perform [ ] in a much wider scale, which will bury Jiraiya 200 Meters in the earth, with so much pressure that not even the smallest of movements are possible. No movement=no jutsu=death. GG good sir.





Jiraiya can combine his pure oil with Bunta's [ ] as Jiraiya is no fool and would be able to figure out Gaara's sand's weakness and with his summons can definitely give Gaara a hard time.

Also Jiraiya's toads weight come into good use here as Gamabunta was able to pin Kurama down [ ] and able to squash giant snakes [ ] and Gaara won't be able to withstand the weight of the toads. The toads are also skilled in mid-air combat and would be able to stop Gaara from doing any aerial combos [ ].

Gaara might be able to do Sand Clones but like all clones they get defeated quite easily [ ] and in Sage Mode Jiraiya's strength rapidly increases as seen [ ] and he would easily be able to dispose of a Sand Clone and you are forgetting he is not alone on the field he has summons with him ad if they spot Gaara emerging, Bunta can use his Toad Sword Behading technique on Gaara before he fully emerges and this technique was strong enough to rip off Shukaku's arm:

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Jiraiya's Doton: Yomi Numa would be able to sink Gaara [ ]. Or Fukasaku and Shima can use their other sound based genjutsu Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant which is different from frog song as frog song temporarily paralyses any afflicted targets completely while Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant is the technique which is used to trap Pain [ ] and once this technique is used on Gaara, Jiraiya can finish him off like so:

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Jiraiya can combine his pure oil with Bunta's [ ] as Jiraiya is no fool and would be able to figure out Gaara's sand's weakness and with his summons can definitely give Gaara a hard time.

Also Jiraiya's toads weight come into good use here as Gamabunta was able to pin Kurama down [ ] and able to squash giant snakes [ ] and Gaara won't be able to withstand the weight of the toads. The toads are also skilled in mid-air combat and would be able to stop Gaara from doing any aerial combos [ ].

Gaara might be able to do Sand Clones but like all clones they get defeated quite easily [ ] and in Sage Mode Jiraiya's strength rapidly increases as seen [ ] and he would easily be able to dispose of a Sand Clone and you are forgetting he is not alone on the field he has summons with him ad if they spot Gaara emerging, Bunta can use his Toad Sword Behading technique on Gaara before he fully emerges and this technique was strong enough to rip off Shukaku's arm:

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Jiraiya's Doton: Yomi Numa would be able to sink Gaara [ ]. Or Fukasaku and Shima can use their other sound based genjutsu Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant which is different from frog song as frog song temporarily paralyses any afflicted targets completely while Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant is the technique which is used to trap Pain [ ] and once this technique is used on Gaara, Jiraiya can finish him off like so:

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Your rebuttal only focuses on not allowing Gaara to even go on the offensive, this says to me you don't have a counter for Gaaras assault in which I provided below in the spoiler.

The Offensive


After Gaara emerges from the ground unscathed...

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He can begin on his counter attack.

Considering the fact that creating sand comes effortless for Gaara, he can immediately create a giant even in a grass field. Only this time, . This will crash down on the boss toad and Jiraiya and sweep the entire area in sand. The Sand Tsunami will be followed by a . Not only does this serve as a purpose of attack, but it also blinds Jiraiyas line of sight, thus allowing Gaara to go airborne afterwards.

Gaara's Overwhelming Combos

Gaara is a very dangerous opponent given the fact that he can attack from the sky, surface, and below the surface almost simultaneously. While Jiraiya is focusing on avoiding the giant wave of sand crashing down on him, Gaara can prepare a as well as using the sand already on the surface to take hold of Jiraiyas feet to keep him from moving. The Suna Arare are giant clumps of sand that cover a wide area and crash down onto the opponent. Jiraiya being unable to move, will get pelted by this technique causing a great amount of damage.

Even if SM Jiraiya manages to survive such an onslaught of attacks, there is nothing stopping Gaara from proceeding with more. As Gaaras battle style is to distance himself far from the opponent and use continuous amounts of attacks to overwhelm the opponent. After the Suna Arare, Gaara can perform [ ] in a much wider scale, which will bury Jiraiya 200 Meters in the earth, with so much pressure that not even the smallest of movements are possible. No movement=no jutsu=death. GG good sir.




Not quite sure why you brought up the Toads weight as I stated how Gaara is able to avoid being crushed by them, but anywho...

You seem to use Jiraiyas summons as if Jiraiya starts with them in the beginning of the match. These aren't in the conditions, therefore they must be summoned first. Doton: Yomi Numa isn't going to work as Jiraiya wouldn't know where Gaara will be emerging from. As well as Bunta not knowing where Gaara is emerging. Toad Sword Behading technique did in fact slice of the Shukakus arm, however Gaaras defense is much greater since then. Susano'o sword alone wasn't able to break Gaaras defenses [ ] It took 5 Susano'o swords just to overpower Gaaras sand [ ] but even though, the 5 Susano'o only managed to push Gaaras back, and didn't deal any significant amount of damage.

You're right in saying that it wouldn't be hard for Jiraiya to dispose of Gaaras sand clones, however if Jiraiya were to attempt to defeat them with your method of physical contact, the clones can easily envelope Jiraiya on contact [ ] which leaves an opening for an easy [ ].


Countering Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant

Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant takes forever to prepare and synchronize.

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That is an awfully long time. Time that Jiraiya doesn't have while facing Gaara. It was said best [ ] That if they are found before the genjutsu is activated, they are as good as frog food. Unfortunately for you, there is no where to hide in an open field. Not to mention, Gaara has sensor sand. Gaara can easily disrupt this by grabbing at Jiraiyas feet [ ], Use Sand Coffin [ ] which will crush Jiraiyas entire leg, and then pelt him with Suna Arare [ ]. XYZ doesn't give this duet a fighting chance to even be performed.
 

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I would judge because I have exams. Man I'll have to read this debate a few days later.
 
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