Amaterasu>Futon odama Rasengan Shirinken??

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You've clearly seen him firing off an Enton ball yet he can't stop his Enton and send it the other way? Seems legit, he can't just put it out anyway.

There is no wind, Fire consumes Wind and gets bigger, meaning the wind is gone. Doesn't exist there anymore.
exactly the fire is consuming the wind so it has to follow the path
 

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The reality is this. The Amaterasu lit the FRS. If Sasuke would do the same against a FRS thrown to him the only thing it would happen would be that Sasuke would have to deal not only with the FRS destructive power but he would also have to put away his amaterasu.

The only thing I can be sure about what happen in last manga is that the Amaterasu arrow did not change in any way Naruto's FRS's direction.

So despite Entou being superior to Futon I did not see any proof that Sasuke can counter a FRS, only that he can make it even more dangerous.
 

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You've clearly seen him firing off an Enton ball yet he can't stop his Enton and send it the other way? Seems legit, he can't just put it out anyway.

There is no wind, Fire consumes Wind and gets bigger, meaning the wind is gone. Doesn't exist there anymore.
You're an idiot. Fire needs oxygen to burn. Fire can't consume wind you moron. Wind fans the flames and makes the flames bigger.

Learn before you speak?
 

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Amaterasu isn't Enton it's Katon. Enton is only the ability for Sasuke to manipulate his Amaterasu.



Same black flames.


exactly the fire is consuming the wind so it has to follow the path
When Fire consumes Wind, it becomes Fire, nothing more and nothing less and nothing else. Meaning Sasuke can control it or put it out.

You're an idiot. Fire needs oxygen to burn. Fire can't consume wind you moron. Wind fans the flames and makes the flames bigger.

Learn before you speak?
Fire already consumed wind in the manga asshat. If you don't like it, go cry me a river.


 
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When Fire consumes Wind, it becomes Fire, nothing more and nothing less and nothing else. Meaning Sasuke can control it or put it out.
Where did you read that? Fire does not consume wind! Wind is air flow! Fire needs oxigen to burn, otherwise it goes out. But the flux and currents of air do not stop because of the oxigen consumed! Matter doesn't simply desapear it transforms into exaustion gases which have the exact same behavior as the air that was there.

So Fire will become more powerful if you add wind but the wind is there still all the same.

Key concept is, wind is movement not a physical element.
 

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Same black flames.




When Fire consumes Wind, it becomes Fire, nothing more and nothing less and nothing else. Meaning Sasuke can control it or put it out.



Fire already consumed wind in the manga asshat. If you don't like it, go cry me a river.


im sick of trying to explain go try watching a video on fire direction in relation to wind hmm ok let me put it this way

you a mountain fire and the wind is blowing down the mountain what direction is the mountain fire going go up the mountain or down??*_*
 

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Minato copy resengan from TBB.Resengan is chakra only while tbb is condense chakra.Last chapter show that sasuke amaterasu sword devour the chakra or resengan adn the wind release help to spread the flame
Yeah and Rasengan isn't Wind style, Naruto added that to make Rasenshuriken. TBB doesn't have Wind style added to it.
 

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im sick of trying to explain go try watching a video on fire direction in relation to wind hmm ok let me put it this way

you a mountain fire and the wind is blowing down the mountain what direction is the mountain fire going go up the mountain or down??*_*
I am sick of repeating the fact that Sasuke can manipulate and control and put out his flame.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with the discussion.
 

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The reality is this. The Amaterasu lit the FRS. If Sasuke would do the same against a FRS thrown to him the only thing it would happen would be that Sasuke would have to deal not only with the FRS destructive power but he would also have to put away his amaterasu.
He can stop it at will
The only thing I can be sure about what happen in last manga is that the Amaterasu arrow did not change in any way Naruto's FRS's direction.
The arrow proceeded to a target passing through FRS. But yeah direction didnt change since they had similar vector.
So despite Entou being superior to Futon I did not see any proof that Sasuke can counter a FRS, only that he can make it even more dangerous.
Fire burns out wind blades and only rasengan is left that disintegrates alone. Good enough?
 

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Amaterasu doesn't change the direction of the Rasen Shuriken, its still going towards Sasuke its just now on fire.
When Enton hits the FRS, there is no more FRS, its just pure flames. I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this simple concept when the manga displays it....

Did the FRS explode when it hit the Juubi? No, because there is no FRS left to explode, just pure Amaterasu that Sasuke can control or put out so its no threat to him at all.
 

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He can stop it at will
Yes he can stop the amaterasu but he will still have to deal with the FRS flying towards him.

The arrow proceeded to a target passing through FRS. But yeah direction didnt change since they had similar vector.
Are you insane? Vectors are directions! Naruto was high on the sky sending his FRS downwards towards the ground. Sasuke was down bellow on the ground and fired SA upwards.

How the hell can you say the vectors were similar?

Fire burns out wind blades and only rasengan is left that disintegrates alone. Good enough?
Fire does NOT burn wind! You can't BURN WIND! YOU CAN'T BURN MOTION!

Fire get's stronger in the presence of wind but it does not eliminate the winds motion. Only thing happening is a substitution of the molecules on the air. Where there was once O2 its now CO2, CO, H2O, H2, NH3, etc... But the motion on the gas remains the same!

If Sasuke puts out the amaterasu there is still gonna be gas spiraling crazily fast like in any FRS.
 

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Yes he can stop the amaterasu but he will still have to deal with the FRS flying towards him.
When Enton hits the FRS, there is no more FRS, its just pure flames. I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this simple concept when the manga displays it....

Did the FRS explode when it hit the Juubi? No, because there is no FRS left to explode, just pure Amaterasu that Sasuke can control or put out so its no threat to him at all.
Get it?
Are you insane? Vectors are directions! Naruto was high on the sky sending his FRS downwards towards the ground. Sasuke was down bellow on the ground and fired SA upwards.
How the hell can you say the vectors were similar?
Ur correct, but both vectors were pointed at juubi so similar.
Now look at the scan again, the arrow is pointing upwards i guess he can change direction after all lol

Fire does NOT burn wind! You can't BURN WIND! YOU CAN'T BURN MOTION!
Fire get's stronger in the presence of wind but it does not eliminate the winds motion. Only thing happening is a substitution of the molecules on the air. Where there was once O2 its now CO2, CO, H2O, H2, NH3, etc... But the motion on the gas remains the same!
Fire does consumes oxygen or air thus its motion called wind.
If Sasuke puts out the amaterasu there is still gonna be gas spiraling crazily fast like in any FRS.
No. Heat make it go upwards and all there will be left is some fall outs
 
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The last Manga shown that the Amaterasu in the susano arrow engulf the Naruto futon odama rasengan but the wind release causing the flame to get spread on the jubi body.This shown that amaterasu devour naruto strongest rasengan.Naruto only element is wind .
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Tail beast bomb is also compose of condense chakra from the tailbeast.Amaterasu should be able to devour the tbb?
Would it be able to consume a biju dama? Yes, eventually. Would it be able to consume it before it blows up in Sasuke's face? No.
 

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When Enton hits the FRS, there is no more FRS, its just pure flames. I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this simple concept when the manga displays it....

Did the FRS explode when it hit the Juubi? No, because there is no FRS left to explode, just pure Amaterasu that Sasuke can control or put out so its no threat to him at all.
I agree on this point. People are forgetting that, even if an inferno style is to hard to control, he can destroy the flames at will. This isn't to say that he would be able to tank it if he were caught off guard.
 

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Ok guys.
Using simple logic here is what is to be deduced.
No Sasuke can't change the direction of his amaterasu, but he can choose which direction to send it towards. Just like throwing a ball you can choose where to throw it, but once thrown you can't change it. In this case Sasuke will extinguish the flames if they are heading towards him. Also Sasuke's susano'o has a bow and arrow. All he is doing is coating his arrow with black flames. How is this changing the direction of his flames, even if it was a solid black flame arrow, he is launching it from his bow.
Second, fire does not consume wind. Fire consumes all oxygen in the wind but not the motion of the wind. If there was no oxygen in the narutoverse then fire would not effect or would not be effected by a FRS. So in this case CO2 would replace O2, and the motion would still be there. Also if the fire did consume the FRS, why does it take on the spiral shape? Thats because wind is motion. Second since oxygen greatly enhances fire, perhaps the blast from the FRS was hidden or Kishimoto just forgot it. That wasn't the point of the combo. It was to show how wind element makes fire stronger.
 

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Isn't the Juubi made up of positive and negative chakra?

Still, I think the next time we see the Juubi again, it's going to be really pissed...but not dead.
 

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It doesn't matter if they were going against each other or not. Fire has always been stronger than Wind so FRS being able to be nullified by Enton is no surprise at all.

FRS didn't explode meaning it was nulled and became pure black flames.
Covering a FRS with amaterasu will only have a more deadly object flying at you. FRS is a more powerful jutsu, so I doubt it will completely override it and send it back its user. Also, Naruto threw a FRS at Sakura and it didn't explode, so your"nulled"response is invalid.
 

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Lets us say that naruto shot a futon rasen shuriken at sasuke and sasuke shot it with a amaterasu arrow.... what will happen then is amaterasu catches rasen shuriken and it makes more dangerous but still the direction of rasen shuriken will be the same towards sasuke and if sasuke doesn't run it will burn his ass into ash.... =D
Note: don't say me that amaterasu can change the direction of rasen shuriken as well............ Zzz
 
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