Hashirama and Naruto vs Obito and Madara
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I like Naruto+Hashirama better, but they're not winning. Obito was soloing Naruto+Bee+Kakashi+Guy; One demi-god (Naruto), a Jinchuriki, and two kage level ninja. Even if we presume Hashi and Madara are relatively equal, the fact that Obito trumps Naruto puts this in team 2's favor.
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johnny335704
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Hashirama and Naruto takes it with very high difficulty. (Assuming No Juubi or edo Jinchurikis with Obito).
Madara and Obito take it with high difficulty (With Juubi or edo jinchurikis).
Madara and Obito take it with high difficulty (With Juubi or edo jinchurikis).
illidanson
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Hmmm... Depends if Obito has Six Paths of Pain. Then i'd say he and Madara takes it. Else it would be pretty close, but Naruto and Hashirama would probably win then.
pateuvasiliu
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Hashirama/Naruto.
Naruto can keep giving Hashirama chakra who simply uses his arsenal to demolish the Uchihas.
Madara has nothing to tank Shinsusenju with.
Naruto can keep giving Hashirama chakra who simply uses his arsenal to demolish the Uchihas.
Madara has nothing to tank Shinsusenju with.
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USSJ Future Trunks
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team 2 has nothing to put madara down with. he can fuse with the surroundings like hashirmaa can so they cant restrain him.
madara surrounds obito in susano armour which blocks out gasses and pollen
how?Naruto and Hashirama win this one
impossible fallacy and made up powers
USSJ Future Trunks
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immortality? i know immortality's pretty weak and all but you never know. maybe immortality might handle a physical attack like that. its a wild outlandish guess i know. and unlimited PS spam/meteor spam? useful but of course the mighty god of shinobi can counter, yes?
pateuvasiliu
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Immortality is overrated. Once he takes a Shinsusenju to the face he's as good as dead. Hashirama can simply put SHinsusenju on his dead body and no one will ever be able to move it.
And lol @ PS destroying Shinsusenju, which is 100 times bigger than the kyuubi.
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sig worthy stupidity. read OP. madara is an edo tensei. he cant be as good as dead, hes actual dead. and no physical attack besides sealing jutsus can affect him. we know this. this is canon. even jinton did nothing
IDIOT. madara has his cells! he can merge with and travel through mokuton constructs using mayfly.
one PS alone? no. try 25 PS all slashing from different directions.
TheSages456
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a physical attack thats strong enough will destroy his body leaving him in a comatose state like any other edo until he regenerates.
madara said that hashirama can stop him. he says that to stop him, he must be sealed therefore hashirama has a sealing jutsu.
nope, fanfiction. the buddha isnt madaras jutsu. he cant merge with it. you're going to have to show feats that support madara merging with mokuton that isnt his own.
scans of madaras clones using PS? better yet, show scans of madara using rinnegan and mokuton while inside susano. madara cant use anything in PS except for PS until he shows otherwise.
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are you suggesting they cant? each clone has the strength of the original. chakra loss is not a threat to madara. its a fallacy to say he cant do something when
1. they can already use the weaker susano
2. just because he doesnt do it onscreen doesnt mean its impossible.
itachi never used izanami when alive. i cant provide scans of him doing so. but could he? of course.
hashirama cant do anything about it when he does. madara annhilated his entire body with a meteor and brushed it off like it barely phased him BECAUSE he knew hed heal. buddha will pulverise madara like the meteor did and then he can reconstruct himself.
except thats also wrong. madaras assuming that hashirama alone has a sealing jutsu and that madara himself cant handle it when hashirama does try it. which he can, using the 25 perfect susanos and meteor spam. hashirmaa cant tell if hes hitting real madara or another clone. whereas madara will know at all times hwere hashirama will attack (rinnegan connected vision) and if hes a clone (ems
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)even if you do possess a sealing tech, wheres the gurantee youve hit the real one? and if you havent, your open to attack yourself. madara has a nigh non coporeal seal of his own via his gedo mazo already.
black zetsu whos a much weaker version of hashirama with madara's chakra mixed in, could mayfly through solid rock and your tellling me madara cant mayfly through wood? a weaker clone can do something the original nigh perfect copy cant?
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are you saying that hashiramas wood clones can use shinsuusenju? the argument within itself is preposterous. madaras clones can use nothing but susano up to V3 and generic genjutsu.
1. saying that madaras clones can use the highest level of susano just because they used an infinitely weaker version isnt a logically sound argument. they dont have the feats. period.
2. what are you talking about? itachi=itachi. there is nothing that separates a reincarnated itachi and a living itachi. madara clearly told the readers what the limits of his power are. there is a vast difference between canon madaras full power and what you would like to believe what madaras full power is.
buddha>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meteor. the meteor doesnt have the AOE nor the damage output of chojo kebetsu. using an infintely weaker tech as an example of how a technique thousands of times greater than that would work on madara is atrocious logic.
madaras body will be turned into paste, then he will be sealed. its that simple.
its funny how wood clones played no role while shinsuusenju and PS/kyuubi clashed but suddenly, wood clones will have shinsuusenju stumbling over its feet trying to hit the real madara.
wood clones are useless here. period. they will all be within the AOE of shinsuusenju so all of the clones and the real madara get turned to paste at the same time.
again, i need scans of madara using 25 PS clones and i also need scans of him unrelentingly spamming meteors like you claim.
madaras entire body isnt full of hashiramas dna. he only has it implanted in his chest. any mokuton ability that madara has that grows or stems from his body, is limited to the chest piece. madara has only shown the ability to merge with his own mokuton.
stop with these ridiculous exaggerations on madaras abilities.
where do you see madara using rinnegan and mokuton abilities in that panel?
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naruto's clones can use senpou: rasengan so yeah i dont see why not.'
he has his rinnegan activated. why wouldnt he be able to use rinnegan shit if its activated? didnt he use meteors while inside susano?
...they didnt play a role because hashi knew ems madara would see right through them. its only when madara droped his guard that hashirama decided "yeah maybe i should clone feint the fuker"
absurd. clones have all the powers of the original. we saw naruto clones using bm. so why cant madara clones use his ultimate form too with a better form of cloning than naruto has?
of course. because if naruto has bm for his clones then it makes sense a superior form of cloning means they can push the limitations of said clones. they have all the strenght of the oriiginals. but madara didnt WANT to use PS unless kages gave him no choice
i think even madara doesnt know how to explot his powers properly. hes not experienced enough with rinnegan and clones. nagato knew how to use the shared vision to detect and nulliify close combat. it makes sense madara woudl too.
its not impossible for him to summon like 30 clones and have them go
rinnegan
ems
rinnegan
ems
rinnegan
ems
perfect susano
smaller legged susano
PS
SS
PS
SS
and so on. that way he can both find the real hashirama and avoid the attacks of the clones.
i dont care if its a stronger attack. the point is madara will infinitely regenerate from it no matter what, with his clones protecting him from the attempting sealing up of the original. buddha struggled to destroy one single perfect susano form.
he has shown superior mokuton control in every way compared to zetsu but cannot do something zetsu can? let me guess. you think madara cant use suiton because yamato can and how dare i assume the stronger copy can use somehting the weaker copy can!
by now hashirmas cells have spread throughout madaras body. much like kabuto with orochimaru's. kabuto said this madara is better than orochimaru's danzo prototype. it makes sense the amount of hashi cells was way more in quantity than danzo or any single zetsu
...no they wont...they are all using PS remember? so theyve already surrounded and unleashed their PS slash on the buddha before it can do anything
he hasnt had any reason to even go serious let alone do that so sorry but i cant
so your saying 2 is his limit? the limit of a madara who can never get tired or strain himself?
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You seriously need to go learn what Edo Tensei actually does before spouting nonsense like this.
-He can't use 25 clones with Perfect Susanoo as his chakra pool did not increase to that level from when he was alive.
-Edo Tensei grants unlimited chakra, not infinite chakra. The chakra doesn't run out but it didn't get bigger from when they were alive.
If you think Madara has enough chakra to use PS after splitting his charka 25 ways, then you are clearly delusional.