DrProof give me your opinion on this, it doesn't have anything to do with your thread but I like your logic so...since samehada can absorb chakra and was seen absorbing techs like fireball jutsu from edo itachi while it was in the possession of killer bee do u think it can absorb Amaterasu???
I agree with everything but the center most part. The Totsuka blade seems to be a fairly swift and dangerous blade. And, Itachi would not only try to pierce Kakuzu with it but he has shown how deadly it is when he slices and dices. Taking off the Yamata No Orochi heads like they were nothing. Pretty impressive.
And, the comparing of Domu to a complete Susano'o should not be present. It's quite obvious that a Complete Susano'o is the better defense; When it comes to not being able to give in.
The second point seemed lacking and. . Unrefined. While I am not saying the Totsuka Blade can pierce or chop a Domu-shielded Kakuzu for certain; Points such as "ANY enemy NOT ANY Jutsu". It was a fairly weak point.
It's like saying that the Totsuka Blade couldn't seal Killer Bee or Ay in their respective lV2 and Lightning armors just because they have it covering them.
Everything else was rather well done, and the counter to the Yata Mirror is something I have thought of for a while, Kakuzu could break through it. Though, it could take more then two hearts/elements to do it. A new combination might have to be made. We can't be uncertain if the Yata Mirror could "morph" into a substance as Ice Release to counter whatever the opposite elemental combination to Ice Release is.
But he can counter the Yata Mirror, nonetheless.
Edit: On an off topic, why was the AkatsukiChurch banned?
I see so you just need a way for Kakuzu to evade Totsuka's slashes, and slices. Here this is by -6 Paths- another A.K.E member:
Kakuzu's immunity/resistance to Physical Attacks I'll keep this short, as I need to go out pretty soon, but I felt like sharing something that crossed my mind with you...
Like we know, the insides Kakuzu's body almost solely exist out of the threads of the Jiongu, as seen multiple times, the most notable confirmation being when Izumo and Kotetsu cut him up in the Shinobi World War, revealing his insides, which were simply nothing but bundles of threads. [
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] Now, something that caught my attention recently was an incident in the manga, which occurred after Kakuzu's second 'Death', where he was lying on the ground, lifeless. Like you know, the masks ran up to his body with the intention of merging with it, only to be attacked by an enlarged Choji, who slammed his (Chakra boosted) palms on both of them, smashing even the ground in the process. [
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] However, like we later see, the masks were not even slightly affected by the blow, having been able to finish their mission without problem, mergin with Kakuzu's body. [
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] Now, since that's the case, one might ask himself, how would Kakuzu, who's body is very similar to the bodies of the masks themselves, be affected by an attack of a similar caliber? The most sensible answer would be that he would not be affected much at all. After all, the Jiongu seems to replace almost all organs and insides with the black threads, so how would one manage to damage a person, who's body almost solely consists of those black threads, with a physical attack? Personally, I don't see how it'd be possible. You might as well try to injure a bag of hair, the results would be the same.
DrProof give me your opinion on this, it doesn't have anything to do with your thread but I like your logic so...since samehada can absorb chakra and was seen absorbing techs like fireball jutsu from edo itachi while it was in the possession of killer bee do u think it can absorb Amaterasu???
Yes Kusanagi is indeed overshadowed by Totsuka Blade, but the reason for that is due to its sealing prowess, nothing more, and nothing less. Totsuka was said in the same DB page you keep linking that it turns into the Kusanagi Blade. The same blade in which had trouble piercing a 4 tailed Kyuubi cloak.
Yata Mirror still can be countered. With the said simulation here listen:
Yata Mirror must change into an attribute to counter the incoming elemental assault hence why the DB even states it has attributes. Now if Kakuzu fired 2 elemental natures; Lightning, and Katon. Yata Mirror would have to counter one at a time, but both attacks would seemingly head towards Yata Mirror at the same speed/time. Yata Mirror would have to counter one at a time due to us not having any proof that Yata Mirror can manipulate two elements cohesively. Thus, Yata Mirror would shatter due to its inability to counter the second assault.
So, what I got from -6 Paths - comment was that Kakuzu could potentially reconnect his threads and repair his body, excuse the next example but. . Similar to how Orochimaru reattached his lower and upper half when he fought Naruto's Four Tailed state?
And that is how Kakuzu would avoid any damaging attacks from the Totsuka Sword? Because if that's what was being stated and the purpose of showing me, then I agree. Kakuzu could use this to avoid the normally fatal slash or jab.
If I am going in the wrong direction, I'm hoping you could turn me around and explain where I went wrong here.
So, what I got from -6 Paths - comment was that Kakuzu could potentially reconnect his threads and repair his body, excuse the next example but. . Similar to how Orochimaru reattached his lower and upper half when he fought Naruto's Four Tailed state?
And that is how Kakuzu would avoid any damaging attacks from the Totsuka Sword? Because if that's what was being stated and the purpose of showing me, then I agree. Kakuzu could use this to avoid the normally fatal slash or jab.
If I am going in the wrong direction, I'm hoping you could turn me around and explain where I went wrong here.
Well, totsuka cut 7 of the hydra's head at the same time. And I'm pretty sure that is > to kakuzu'ss enhanced skin ( hierro for the bleach fans ). But that is debatable. One guys said it turned to ethereal form to pierce you, that's false. That page clearly shows blood on Oro so if it really can't cut kakuzu's skin through sheer cutting power... You may add that as an argument against the ethereal form argument.
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Yata, I don't agree. We have too little info on it. You are twisting the words to make it sounds like it can bmock only one attack at a time. What kind of ultimate shield would that be ?
Susano I can agree. In theory. It's not Susano will just stand there and do nothing. If Totsuka can't pierce Kakuzu, it can pierce the hearts ( that's also the case for the normal susano weapons ) so my guess is Susano can take care of the hearts. The underground attack can be evaded. Susano user are sharingan users, they can see chakra so they would be able to see the attack coming from underground ( or at the very least see the start of the attack on Kakuzu's hands )
Well, totsuka cut 7 of the hydra's head at the same time. And I'm pretty sure that is > to kakuzu'ss enhanced skin ( hierro for the bleach fans ). But that is debatable. One guys said it turned to ethereal form to pierce you, that's false. That page clearly shows blood on Oro so if it really can't cut kakuzu's skin through sheer cutting power... You may add that as an argument against the ethereal form argument.
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Yata, I don't agree. We have too little info on it. You are twisting the words to make it sounds like it can bmock only one attack at a time. What kind of ultimate shield would that be ?
Susano I can agree. In theory. It's not Susano will just stand there and do nothing. If Totsuka can't pierce Kakuzu, it can pierce the hearts ( that's also the case for the normal susano weapons ) so my guess is Susano can take care of the hearts. The underground attack can be evaded. Susano user are sharingan users, they can see chakra so they would be able to see the attack coming from underground ( or at the very least see the start of the attack on Kakuzu's hands )
Domu is only countered by Raiton-based penetration techniques. The technique is as hard as diamond, Itachi stated that every jutsu has a weakness, and Raiton is Domu's only weakness. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Yata mirror I am not twisting anything around, it's simple interpretation top with DB links/scans it's all there my friend. The ultimate shield has a weakness, its own advantage is its only weakness.
Yes Kusanagi is indeed overshadowed by Totsuka Blade, but the reason for that is due to its sealing prowess, nothing more, and nothing less. Totsuka was said in the same DB page you keep linking that it turns into the Kusanagi Blade.
This is why you're confused. Sasuke also calls his sword of a Kusanagi. "Kusanagi" is just a type. You can't say with 100% certainty that the only difference is one element, because we know there are multiple differences between Sasuke's Kusanagi and Orochimaru's Kusanagi and Itachi's Kusanagi. Not just one element, but many. They aren't all equatable.
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But really, the Totsuka's hype of absolutely perfect attack means it can't be defended against, and the vice versa is true for the shield. It's hype that can't be logically countered. Kishimoto put those items in Itachi's possession specifically to make him top tier for his fanboys (like me) and there's not shortchanging the hype. Feats is another matter though.
This is why you're confused. Sasuke also calls his sword of a Kusanagi. "Kusanagi" is just a type. You can't say with 100% certainty that the only difference is one element, because we know there are multiple differences between Sasuke's Kusanagi and Orochimaru's Kusanagi and Itachi's Kusanagi. Not just one element, but many. They aren't all equatable.
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But really, the Totsuka's hype of absolutely perfect attack means it can't be defended against, and the vice versa is true for the shield. It's hype that can't be logically countered. Kishimoto put those items in Itachi's possession specifically to make him top tier for his fanboys (like me) and there's not shortchanging the hype. Feats is another matter though.
But how exactly do you know that Sasuke channeling Chidori throughout his Katana (forming the Sword of Kusanagi) is not equal to the piercing capabilities that Orochimaru's Kusanagi, and Itachi's Kusanagi (Totsuka Blade) possess? We have no direct proof to concur that either Kusanagis dwell in piercing capabilities, or not.
Remember the DB hypes things beyond measure. Thus the absence of evidence within the manga IS the evidence of absence.
But how exactly do you know that Sasuke channeling Chidori throughout his Katana (forming the Sword of Kusanagi) is not equal to the piercing capabilities that Orochimaru's Kusanagi, and Itachi's Kusanagi (Totsuka Blade) possess? We have no direct proof to concur that either Kusanagis dwell in piercing capabilities, or not.
That's asking for a negative proof, and if I were to entertain it, I'd point out how Kakashi's raiton cut through v2 shrouds so Sasuke's blade might do likewise. But that's neither here nor there, because what I intended to prove is that there are at least three Kusanagis, all with varying attributes, and neither their weaknesses nor their strengths can be lumped together because of the name alone.
I disagree regarding your totsuka part, your basing most of it off of kusangi which is simply a variant not exactly the same as totsuka.
Itachi wasnt trying to take the souls of orochimarus great white snake, he merely wanted to kill them.The sword having contact with the physical world doesnt mean much, nagatos soul dragon takes souls yet was shown to make physical contact in the ground when nagato fought hanzo men.
I thought i had already made a post regarding yata. You claim it can only take one attack at a time which i believe is false, kakuzus blast attack that he was going to use on kakashi consists of 2 or more elements and is basucally 2 separate attacks but combined together. You say the mirror can only take one attack at a time but what if the attack is combined with other attacks in one form shouldnt the yata be able to block it? If it can it makes your whole yata claim invalid
That's asking for a negative proof, and if I were to entertain it, I'd point out how Kakashi's raiton cut through v2 shrouds so Sasuke's blade might do likewise. But that's neither here nor there, because what I intended to prove is that there are at least three Kusanagis, all with varying attributes, and neither their weaknesses nor their strengths can be lumped together because of the name alone.
That very well may be true. But still the piercing capabilities still is untouched. As we know nothing of either really detailed (piercing wise) about which Kusanagi is the strongest etc. Basically we're arguing over which blade pierces the best, and we don't have efficient proof to justify either claim.
I disagree regarding your totsuka blad part, your basing most of it off of kusangi which is simply a variant not exactly the same as totsuka.
Itachi wasnt trying to take the souls of orochimarus great white snake, he merely wanted to kill them.The sword having contact with the physical world doesnt mean much, nagatos soul dragon takes souls yet was shown to make physical contact in the ground when nagato fought hanzo men.
I thought i had already made a post regarding yata. You claim it can only take one attack at a time which i believe is false, kakuzus blast attack that he was going to use on kakashi consists of 2 or more elements and is basucally 2 separate attacks but combined together. You say the mirror can only take one attack at a time but what if the attack is combined with other attacks in one form shouldnt the yata be able to block it? If it can it makes your whole yata claim invalid
Remember though, Kakuzu was able to attack separately with multiple masks, so the attack wouldn't have to be integrated into each other to form a singular assault. This would reevaluate my validity in my Yata Mirror analysis.
Domu is only countered by Raiton-based penetration techniques. The technique is as hard as diamond, Itachi stated that every jutsu has a weakness, and Raiton is Domu's only weakness. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Yata mirror I am not twisting anything around, it's simple interpretation top with DB links/scans it's all there my friend. The ultimate shield has a weakness, its own advantage is its only weakness.
The manga never said it could only be penetrated by raiton. It said raiton is its weakness, not his only weakness. Besides, the fact that Kuzanagi couldn' pierce Naruto's chakra armor means nothing but that said armor was very resilient. How does that mean that Kakuzu's is harder or stronger ?
Okay, from wikipedia Adamant and similar words are used to refer to any especially hard substance, whether composed of diamond, some other gemstone, or some type of metal. Both adamant and diamond derive from the Greek word αδαμαστος (adamastos), meaning "untameable". Adamantite and adamantium (a metallic name derived from the Neo-Latin ending -ium) are also common variants.
Adamantine has, throughout ancient history, referred to anything that was made of a very hard material. Virgil describes Tartarus as having a screeching gate protected by columns of solid adamantine (Aeneid book VI). Later, by the Middle Ages, the term came to refer to diamond, as it was the hardest material then known, and remains the hardest non-synthetic material known.
Okay, so genma's adamantine form couldn't defend against Kuzanagi even though he's made of adamantine which is likely harder or at the very least as hard as Domu. So why would domu be able to defend against Totsuka ?
The manga never said it could only be penetrated by raiton. It said raiton is its weakness, not his only weakness. Besides, the fact that Kuzanagi couldn' pierce Naruto's chakra armor means nothing but that said armor was very resilient. How does that mean that Kakuzu's is harder or stronger ?
Okay, from wikipedia Adamant and similar words are used to refer to any especially hard substance, whether composed of diamond, some other gemstone, or some type of metal. Both adamant and diamond derive from the Greek word αδαμαστος (adamastos), meaning "untameable". Adamantite and adamantium (a metallic name derived from the Neo-Latin ending -ium) are also common variants.
Adamantine has, throughout ancient history, referred to anything that was made of a very hard material. Virgil describes Tartarus as having a screeching gate protected by columns of solid adamantine (Aeneid book VI). Later, by the Middle Ages, the term came to refer to diamond, as it was the hardest material then known, and remains the hardest non-synthetic material known.
Okay, so genma's adamantine form couldn't defend against Kuzanagi even though he's made of adamantine which is likely harder or at the very least as hard as Domu. So why would domu be able to defend against Totsuka ?
Dude Enma's Adamantine structure was defending against Kusanagi.. All he said was that he would feel it in a long run, not that it would pierce or necessarily cause fatal wounds. Enma's adamantine structure (diamond if I may) > Kusanagi's piercing capabilities.
Dude Enma's Adamantine structure was defending against Kusanagi.. All he said was that he would feel it in a long run, not that it would pierce or necessarily cause fatal wounds. Enma's adamantine structure (diamond if I may) > Kusanagi's piercing capabilities.
It said it would leave him sore but that's because the swing strenght wasn't as great as Susano's Totsuka's swing. Which cut through 7 hydra head at the same time time.
Dude Enma's Adamantine structure was defending against Kusanagi.. All he said was that he would feel it in a long run, not that it would pierce or necessarily cause fatal wounds. Enma's adamantine structure (diamond if I may) > Kusanagi's piercing capabilities.
It said it would leave him sore but that's because the swing strenght wasn't as great as Susano's Totsuka's swing. Which cut through 7 hydra head at the same time time.
It said it would leave him sore but that's because the swing strenght wasn't as great as Susano's Totsuka's swing. Which cut through 7 hydra head at the same time time.
Attack can be plural. Its basically act of aggression which can hold up to few thousands nukes even.
So lets not play silly words game here. Kakuzu has nothing on susanoo alone yet you aim at yata?
Lmaooo.