Why Sasuke is stronger than Minato (Alive)

[Shura]

minato beats sasuke even with itachi

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[takiyacrowz]

sasuke fans are so high right now
saying he soloed the juubi
and now this

sigh

 

[Bogard]

People instantly assume that Minato will know not to look in sasukes eyes when the manga disagrees, do note if minato decides not to make eye contact it will leave him vulnerable to amaterasu without him knowing. Another thing is guy sensei is the only character shown in the manga to have been able to not look in the face of a sharigan user and still be capable of still fighting.

Not really. What people highly forget is that eventhough the release of an offensive Amaterasu is almost instant, the preparation of it definitely isn't the case at all.

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coming out of the users eye preceding the use of it. At that moment, it gives time for the opponent to either

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Smh even jiraiya was making direct eye contact with itachi back in part 1 in the hallway and he was minatos mentor, you'd think someone of jiraiyas caliber would know better not to look at itachis directly in the face? During the fox attack Minato presumed the enemy to be Madara uchiha which minato knows to be famous for the sharigan,

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Jiraya had a toad partner at that moment, don't forget that. Maybe it's even as a measure that he decided to summon that toad partner before facing them. Anyway he also had the feat to break Itachi's genjutsu on the woman, so it definitely shows he has the skills to break Itachi's normal genjutsus, maybe another reason why he was that confident

Also, no Gai isn't the only one who has shown to be capable to fight a Sharingan user without looking at their eyes. Normally many experienced ninjas could. Onoki for example

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not to look directly into Madara's eyes while fighting him, which shows he knows how to fight a Sharingan user without looking at their eyes. He probably even told the same thing to the Kages while fighting him, so the Kages also may have been able to adapt their fighting style to fight this way. Onoki was also even able to predict the use of genjutsu on A and break him out of it instantly

 

[Blaze Release]

It is interesting how people moan about going about their against fav character when they themselves do the same thing.
Anyway there is no right or wrong answer. Personally, i believe current sasuke is stronger.

kishi gives every ninja a last showing before they die to state their claim, with the exception of people with a disease which has hindered their power or due to old age.

I believe alive minato was at his wits end that night and while i believe he had other techniques, i do not believe they would be significant enough to make make him that much stronger

 

[takiyacrowz]

what we have seen from minato is already enough to think he is stronger than sasuke .
the kind of jutsu minato have, sasuke will never surpass him or will never be able to beat him unless somehow he becomes faster

just personal opinion

 

[Prince Charles]

Not really. What people highly forget is that eventhough the release of an offensive Amaterasu is almost instant, the preparation of it definitely isn't the case at all.

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coming out of the users eye preceding the use of it. At that moment, it gives time for the opponent to either

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directly or

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or

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Jiraya had a toad partner at that moment, don't forget that. Maybe it's even as a measure that he decided to summon that toad partner before facing them. Anyway he also had the feat to break Itachi's genjutsu on the woman, so it definitely shows he has the skills to break Itachi's normal genjutsus, maybe another reason why he was that confident

Also, no Gai isn't the only one who has shown to be capable to fight a Sharingan user without looking at their eyes. Normally many experienced ninjas could. Onoki for example

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not to look directly into Madara's eyes while fighting him, which shows he knows how to fight a Sharingan user without looking at their eyes. He probably even told the same thing to the Kages while fighting him, so the Kages also may have been able to adapt their fighting style to fight this way. Onoki was also even able to predict the use of genjutsu on A and break him out of it instantly

Not really. What people highly forget is that eventhough the release of an offensive Amaterasu is almost instant, the preparation of it definitely isn't the case at all. There is also a pressure and blood coming out of the users eye preceding the use of it. At that moment, it gives time for the opponent to either attack the user directly or prepare himself to dodge or counter it

The point I was trying to refer to is the fact that you think Minato will be able to notice all those signs while not keeping eye contact at all.:|

Jiraya had a toad partner at that moment, don't forget that. Maybe it's even as a measure that he decided to summon that toad partner before facing them. Anyway he also had the feat to break Itachi's genjutsu on the woman, so it definitely shows he has the skills to break Itachi's normal genjutsus, maybe another reason why he was that confident


Jiraiya breaking that woman out of Itachis genjutsu is no feat at all, your acting like its a difficulty task to had accomplished whn we have been shown in the manga that sakura and chiyo broke naruto out of itachis finger genjutsu by touching naruto. Jiraiya breaking that woman out of Itachis genjutsu is no feat at all.

Jiraiya himself even saids hes never been much of a genjutsu user.[

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fact is jiraiya continued to look into the eyes of a sharigan which is stupid on his part.

Also, no Gai isn't the only one who has shown to be capable to fight a Sharingan user without looking at their eyes. Normally many experienced ninjas could. Onoki for example asked to the entire alliance not to look directly into Madara's eyes while fighting him, which shows he knows how to fight a Sharingan user without looking at their eyes. He probably even told the same thing to the Kages while fighting him, so the Kages also may have been able to adapt their fighting style to fight this way. Onoki was also even able to predict the use of genjutsu on A and break him out of it instantly

Onoki was also even able to predict the use of genjutsu on A and break him out of it instantly

Or simply onoki noticed the raikage collapsed and cease movement?[

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Do also note onoki has flight control which adds to his capability to not look into madaras eyes. Your also forgetting the fact that tsunade was almost looking bluntly into madaras face when she was speaking to him.

 

[Lilt]

No it's clearly said by Tobi that Sasuke's genjutsu is weak in general. He never said compared to Itachi

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C said Sasuke was a very rare genius of genjutsu.

Itachi was just the most skilled to ever live, and Obito had the Hashirama-hack.

 

[Minator93]

C said Sasuke was a very rare genius of genjutsu.

Itachi was just the most skilled to ever live, and Obito had the Hashirama-hack.

Overwhelming difference between C's Opinion and Obito's U_U

 

[Prince Charles]

Overwhelming difference between C's Opinion and Obito's U_U

sasukes genjutsu is severely underestimated. Its not even weak.. smh

 

[Orange Hokage oF Leaf]

it doesn't mean sasuke is stronger than minato... we don't know much more about 4th ,i hope he have something thats very strong that we didn't see yet.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Lol. even hebi sasuke would have a chance on minato with info, let alone ems

 

[Strict]

Minato has no way of touching Sasuke, who is protected by Susanoo and preferably covered with Amaterasu flames (in the case Minato intends to touch it in order to warp it away to another location). Well, warping his opponent away can always be an option, but:

a) a Kunai that is placed at another location is counted as prep time before the fight
b) Trying to place a Kunai in a far away location counts as Minato leaving the battlefield and thus giving up
c) Sasuke is not defeated when being brought to another location (it's a matter of opinion whether this counts as a victory. If he tried it on a victim of Konoha, latter would just find back to the village)

Enton gives Sasuke the possibility of turning large areas into flames and spamm multiple Amaterasu missiles, for instance at the directions where the Kunai are placed.

Thus, Sasuke is well protected from Minato and can keep him at bay. Coincidently, he can make use of his Genjutsu and at least the Genjutsu of the Mangekyo Sharingan should be to strong for Minato to handle. If Minato intends to avoid eye contact, he becomes a target for Amaterasu. The likes of Nagato and Zetsu who were sensors felt an ar pressure that was caused by the preparation of Amaterasu. All the further usages are instantly and can't be sensed (Itachi's actual first usage of Amaterasu against Sasuke's Katon then wasn't predicted by Zetsu). Despite this, Itachi also proved a faster usage of the first Amaterasu [

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] and as for Sasuke who is the combatant here, he had another opportunity to prove the instant usage of the first Amaterasu. [

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] Even if the preparation of Amaterasu should take that long for Sasuke's case, after it was done, Amaterasu remains instant and don't need these attributes like the bleeding eye and soaring air pressure for each usage.

 

[Ababeel]

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Susano'O

Minato's Shunshin speed is all but negated by Susano'O. His speed can still be percieved by the Sharingan (

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. This is especially bad if he decides to add Blaze Release to the mix when he does so (

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- So, Sasuke has Kamui to avoid that as Obito did?
-Oh, So Danzo is as fast as Minato? Seems logical.
- I agree with the Blaze point.

If he struck with a Kunai, not only will it break (

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) Minato himself will be covered in Amaterasu. Ending the battle on a simple reaction.

Sasuke also doesn't need to concern himself with using other jutsu to main offence. He can simpley have Susano'O attack to force him to keep Minato on the defensive. (

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- Yeah, pretty much the manga pointed out that Minato is THAT stupid, right?

Now the REAL question is, how much Sasuke can keep the Susanoo up?

Genjutsu

Genjutsu will also play a part in the eventual set up for a finishing blow to Minato.

Minato is no less suceptable to Genjutsu than others. He's had no special training to avoid contact as Guy has. Sasuke can even cast Genjutsu at distance (

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The Genjutsu used against Danzo is his most effective in this situation. As its easier to land than his MS paralization Genjutsu and Minato will be unaware to the incoming attack, as Minato has no way of discerning such.

Sasuke only needs to cast one succesfull Genjutsu to set up for a finishing blow on Minato, wether it be an Susano'O arrow or Amaterasu.

Not sure if this is a joke. First of all if it were easy like this Obito would have done it. Second, it took Madara himself
5 of Susanoo just to catch A to put him under the genjutsu. Saying is NOT like doing honey. how would Sasuke put
Minato under the genjutsu?

Also, Minato is a sensor this won't be a problem for him.

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If Sasuke needs more offensive pressure, He can use Shruiken from within Susano'O (

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to help prep for Kirin. As this Justus alone was stated to created the needed conditions for an admitadly, smaller Kirin

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Katon - Gouryuuka no Jutsu
Uchiha Sasuke
Ninjutsu
B
The user builds up a large amount of chakra inside them and spits it out in the form of a dragon that charges after its enemy. If mastered the user can spit out multiple dragons. This jutsu places more importance on certainty and power than range. The heat of the jutsu creates an upward draft and even cumulonimbus clouds. The moment the enemy gets caught in the fangs of this dragon they are destined to turn into ashes

Yeah that's cool, but how he will land them on Minato. lol
you assume saske will do this and will do that and Minato will set there doing nothing and all
of Sasuke's attack will land on him without problems. lol

Conclusion

The combination of Minato not being able to touch Sasuke due to Blaze Release: Susano'O, will keep Minato on the defensive while Sasuke is left to his own devices to attack and look for a Genjutsu opening. This battle will end with Sasuke either destroying the battlefield and Minato along with it due to Kirin, or Sasuke casting a Genjutsu and landing a finishing blow.

Or Minato could always mess up and make mistake of attacking Sasuke and get covered in Blaze Release.

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You are talking as if Sasuke has endless chakra and he can keep that up to no end?
and Minato can re-direct Sasuke's attack by the S/T barrier.

 

[wavy]

Minato is a child to the power of Uchiha...

 

[AlphaScythian]

Minato is a child to the power of Uchiha...

Yeah alive minato can only beat 14y old uchihas that were going easy on him XD

 

[Ababeel]

Minato is a child to the power of Uchiha...

I agree with this.

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[Ababeel]

Yeah alive minato can only beat 14y old uchihas that were going easy on him XD

Tayuya is 14y old and she defeated Sasuke and Itachi without even using her CS.

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[NarutoKage2]

None of that has ever been implied nor does that explain why when he was alive he wasn't able to teleport the same amount of chakra.




Do you even english? He said "A weak Genjutsu that doesn't last long" He was refering to the Genjutsu that Sasuke used, not his Genjutsu abilities.

Because minato never had to fight the juubi when he was alive?

Ot: heavily slanted thread. Sasuke has been shown to be a rash and impulsive fighter, its like asking for trouble against minato. Also, why dont you mention minatos barrier techs? Each of the 4 hokages are helping to hold up the red sun barrier, even w.o kcm chakra minato can still use a weaker version of this tech, which can trap sasuke and for which he has no counters.

Also u claim minato has no fuuinjutsu feats other than rds? Are you on weed? Not only is there the 4 elephant seal, the 8 trigrams seal, wtf do you think the ftg SEAL is???? And the contract seal??

 

[KidGamer65]

Because minato never had to fight the juubi when he was alive?

Ot: heavily slanted thread. Sasuke has been shown to be a rash and impulsive fighter, its like asking for trouble against minato. Also, why dont you mention minatos barrier techs? Each of the 4 hokages are helping to hold up the red sun barrier, even w.o kcm chakra minato can still use a weaker version of this tech, which can trap sasuke and for which he has no counters.

Also u claim minato has no fuuinjutsu feats other than rds? Are you on weed? Not only is there the 4 elephant seal, the 8 trigrams seal, wtf do you think the ftg SEAL is???? And the contract seal??

No he can't. That tech is only usable when collaborating with 3 other Hokage leveled Shinobi, there is no weaker version to use and just one guy won't cut it.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Yeah alive minato can only beat 14y old uchihas that were going easy on him XD

Oh yeah you mean the guy itachi called his mentor and who he hailed as an invincible immortal?