KCM Naruto VS EMS Sasuke

[xxSAGExx]

He can control the flames in any way possible, not to mention all he has to do to put out the flames is just focus on it via Sharingan, it doesn't matter how much there is. Or he can direct it away from himself as he can manipulate it in anyway. Not to mention Susanoo would tank it anyway, another guy said the same exact thing and I gave the same exact reply.

Can Lightning destroying a Mountain Sized Building? No, it can't. Kirin is far stronger than ordinary lightning.

No, Kirin is Lightning, Sasuke had no chakra to add anything else to it. He used Chidori to concentrate the lightning into a big lightning strike in the form of a tiger. a regular lightning is a small stream but Sasuke formed Kirin by concentrating it into a larger lightning strike and it only strikes 1 target. Remember Sasuke was only a yard or so away from Itachi, if it was large enough to destroy a mountain then Sasuke would have died. It can be avoidable.

What is with these ridiculous comments I've been reading? Naruto tank Kirin with his KCM cloak? Naruto dodge Kirin? TB Rasengan even scratching Susanoo? God.....



Fire eats up the wind surrounding FRS and the Rasengan in the middle vanishes, just like it did in the last chapter, meaning there is no explosion, it is just pure flames. Seriously did you guys pay attention when Yamato explained the elements? Wind makes Fire stronger, not vice versa like you are implying.

First of all, this is KCM Naruto, not Bijuu Mode Naruto, second of all. Naruto is not tanking Kirin, no way in hell. The Juubi's tenpenchi is just a massive storm, Kirin is much more than just lightning. Kirin far surpasses the lightning that appeared during tenpenchi.

-I already explain about Kirin above and Naruto can avoid it by a few ways. 1. Rasengan the ground to make a dust cloud (he did against pain) and makes it hard for Sasuke to target him. Yes he can see Naruto's chakra but shadow clones dashing around him will take his focus off Naruto.

Did you people even read the latest chapter? FRS was consumed and made the Enton stronger, FRS didn't even explode on the Juubi. Fire consumes the Wind Shuriken while the Rasengan in the middle disappears.

For the enton, Naruto can let Kurama take over and do this

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. Make a shockwave that knocks the flames away, 4 tails was able to make a strong shockwave that destroyed Orochimaru's many snakes and had Yamato and Sai but comment on it's power So image how strong it will be now that Kuram can use his full power.

I hope you have the scans that show KCM Naruto sending his chakra arms underground? Otherwise he can't do it.

Kurama used it here:

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. He can either tell Naruto to do it or ask Naruto to let him take over and he can do it himself to pull Sasuke out and send a rasen shuriken at him.

And by that time sasuke stormed through fodder juubis, Used "Chidori sword slash"? Then kagutsuchi swords to brake the wall and was waiting with his arrow in place for FRS to come up to the perfect location. Jutsu speed wise, naruto isnt ever gonna throw it.

Well if you look at it again you'll see Naruto made it at a reasonable amount of time, Gamakichi fought off the spears that the 10 tails threw then told Naruto to start the jutsu, then it cuts off to show Sakura healing everyone and Sasuke using chidori on his sword. Naruto had the Chuo odama Rasen shuriken ready right as Sasuke used Susanoo to cut the 10 tails clones wall then Sasuke took a while to aim then Naruto yelled his name to fire. So Sasuke took longer to set up than Naruto in that aspect.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, Kirin is Lightning, Sasuke had no chakra to add anything else to it. He used Chidori to concentrate the lightning into a big lightning strike in the form of a tiger. a regular lightning is a small stream but Sasuke formed Kirin by concentrating it into a larger lightning strike and it only strikes 1 target. Remember Sasuke was only a yard or so away from Itachi, if it was large enough to destroy a mountain then Sasuke would have died. It can be avoidable.

Kirin destroyed this whole building, don't argue with manga fact.

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If you think Kirin is as strong as regular lightning then slap yourself. If you don't then this reply was pointless as we all know Kirin is just lightning, but stronger.

If you think that Naruto can dodge Kirin then please slap yourself even harder.

Kurama used it here:

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. He can either tell Naruto to do it or ask Naruto to let him take over and he can do it himself to pull Sasuke out and send a rasen shuriken at him.

That's V2 Naruto, not KCM Naruto, different forms, different advantages.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If you think that Naruto can dodge Kirin then please slap yourself even harder.

It's not about Naruto dodging Kirin, it's about Sasuke managing to pinpoint Kirin to Naruto.

He can't follow his speed, and, plus, Naruto could simply use clones to trick Sasuke into hitting the wrong one.

Even then, KCM cloak can arguably tank it, seeing as how a mere V1 kyuubi cloak tanked the Juubi's onslaught and numerous other attacks, including Mads/Obito's massive katons.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's not about Naruto dodging Kirin, it's about Sasuke managing to pinpoint Kirin to Naruto.

He can't follow his speed, and, plus, Naruto could simply use clones to trick Sasuke into hitting the wrong one.

Even then, KCM cloak can arguably tank it, seeing as how a mere V1 kyuubi cloak tanked the Juubi's onslaught and numerous other attacks, including Mads/Obito's massive katons.

He can't follow the speed that Naruto can't constantly fight at. Clones? Do you know how large Kirin's AoE is.

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Oh my god, KCM cloak tank Kirin? Not happening. Not when Naruto has been damaged by much less.


-Took damage from Han's kick.

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-If he took a clean punch from V1 A, he's screwed.

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No way he is tanking Kirin.

You mention Obito and Madara's Katons like they even come close to Kirin's power. Tenpenchi was just a bunch of storms and natural disasters occuring in one spot.

 

[Bogard]

Yes, comfortably.
Don't start overrating Naruto's speed, learn how it works before you say "He can't hit him"

Naruto's top speed is Shunshin, he isn't constantly moving at that speed so there is always a chance for him to get hit. Not to mention Sasuke can just light up the battlefield, limiting Naruto's movements, (Something I clearly stated in my post if you bothered to read it) meaning he can take him out with the Enton Blade or use Kirin on him.

He may not use it every time, but why would he use it everytime against Sasuke in the first place? He would most likely use it when he would feel the need to. If not, he can simply spam clones, said clones whose attacks are too strong that they are even capable to stop the regenerative abilities of something like Edo tensei for a considerable amount of time or break boulders with his chakra arms without even trying. Sasuke can't light up the battlefield as you say. It's not as if they would always fighting in an environment made of wood where the fire could spread, so he would have to ressort to his own chakra to create such a large amount of black flames around the battlefield and may even die in the process just for trying to do it. Seems that you don't get that the power and scale of amaterasu depends on the amount of chakra accumulated by the user

Concerning the fire power, seems that you underrate Naruto's abilities a lot. I'll just take the latest chapter as an example. Have you seen the size of the last FRS he created latest chapter? It's even bigger than a normal Bijuu-size like Gamakichi. A small FRS was this powerful:

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can be? It would crush Sasuke(with or without his susanoo) entirely. I don't know why but it seems that when it comes to a comparison between the 2, people always have Madara's Susanoo in their head when Sasuke's Susanoo is shit compared to Madara's. We've seen it again in latest chapter that it's

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(which is already ridiculous compared to Madara's normal Susanoo- not counting the perfect one-)

 

[KidGamer65]

He may not use it every time, but why would he use it everytime against Sasuke in the first place? He would most likely use it when he would feel the need to. If not, he can simply spam clones, said clones whose attacks are too strong that they are even capable to stop the regenerative abilities of something like Edo tensei for a considerable amount of time or break boulders with his chakra arms without even trying. Sasuke can't light up the battlefield as you say. It's not as if they would always fighting in an environment made of wood where the fire could spread, so he would have to ressort to his own chakra to create such a large amount of black flames around the battlefield and may even die in the process just for trying to do it. Seems that you don't get that the power and scale of amaterasu depends on the amount of chakra accumulated by the user

He can spread it on his own as he can manipulate the flames, not to mention using Enton takes up way less chakra than Amaterasu does, and he doesn't need to literally light up the whole battlefield, only the immediate area they are fighting in. Any FRS Naruto uses simply helps this as the Enton will eat up the FRS and become bigger, meaning more flames for Sasuke at a little cost. Especially the large one, which was as big as a Bijuu sized Gamakichi, so that just creates a Bijuu sized giant ball of Amaterasu for Sasuke to spread around the field with Enton control.

Concerning the fire power, seems that you underrate Naruto's abilities a lot. I'll just take the latest chapter as an example. Have you seen the size of the last FRS he created latest chapter? It's even bigger than a normal Bijuu-size like Gamakichi. A small FRS was this powerful:

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So how much powerful do you think

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can be? It would crush Sasuke(with or without his susanoo) entirely. I don't know why but it seems that when it comes to a comparison between the 2, people always have Madara's Susanoo in their head when Sasuke's Susanoo is shit compared to Madara's. We've seen it again in latest chapter that it's

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(which is already ridiculous compared to Madara's normal Susanoo- not counting the perfect one-)

Any FRS bar the big one isn't putting a scratch on Sasuke's Final Susanoo, his Chou Oodama FRS, as I have probably said like a million times in this thread already, can be nullified by Enton. Wind makes Fire stronger. The Enton ate up the FRS and hit the Juubi in the latest chapter, the fact there was no explosion proves that Enton is a solid counter to any FRS.

Underrate Naruto's abilities? No, that's people overrating his abilities when they say FRS is going to plow through any Susanoo V2 and above when V2 already blocked something stronger than FRS.

 

[Bogard]

He can spread it on his own as he can manipulate the flames, not to mention using Enton takes up way less chakra than Amaterasu does, and he doesn't need to literally light up the whole battlefield, only the immediate area they are fighting in. Any FRS Naruto uses simply helps this as the Enton will eat up the FRS and become bigger, meaning more flames for Sasuke at a little cost. Especially the large one, which was as big as a Bijuu sized Gamakichi, so that just creates a Bijuu sized giant ball of Amaterasu for Sasuke to spread around the field with Enton control.

Manipulating flames doesn't increase the quantity of flames. Enton Kagutsuchi means manipulation of black flames that Sasuke can form like he wants(defensive or offensive moves), but as stated it doesn't increase the quantity of flames at all. For example it's as if the flames were in position A, but Sasuke decides to manipulate them to go in position B. There won't be flames in position A anymore. So using enton won't make the flames to spread at all

Any FRS bar the big one isn't putting a scratch on Sasuke's Final Susanoo, his Chou Oodama FRS, as I have probably said like a million times in this thread already, can be nullified by Enton. Wind makes Fire stronger. The Enton ate up the FRS and hit the Juubi in the latest chapter, the fact there was no explosion proves that Enton is a solid counter to any FRS.

You misunderstand something. Wind makes fire grow stronger. So using enton as a defensive move will only back fire on Sasuke since the enton used to protect himself from the FRS will only grow stronger and kill himself. As a offensive move however, i could understand(that's if they used the same quantity of chakra that's it), but using it in a defensive move won't be wise at all, far from it actually

Underrate Naruto's abilities? No, that's people overrating his abilities when they say FRS is going to plow through any Susanoo V2 and above when V2 already blocked something stronger than FRS.

Depends on how we see things. The things you say V2 Susanoo have blocked were not concentrated attacks but rather spreading attacks like Juubi's tenpenchi for example. I guarantee you that if the Tenpenchi was concentrated on Madara only, he would have been blown up if he only used V2. Tsunade's punches for example were able to break V2 for example and i hardly see Tsunade's punch being stronger than FRS

 

[KidGamer65]

Manipulating flames doesn't increase the quantity of flames. Enton Kagutsuchi means manipulation of black flames that Sasuke can form like he wants(defensive or offensive moves), but as stated it doesn't increase the quantity of flames at all. For example it's as if the flames were in position A, but Sasuke decides to manipulate them to go in position B. There won't be flames in position A anymore. So using enton won't make the flames to spread at all

It doesn't increase the quantity, but he can thin them out and then spread them, and he can add more if need be.

You misunderstand something. Wind makes fire grow stronger. So using enton as a defensive move will only back fire on Sasuke since the enton used to protect himself from the FRS will only grow stronger and kill himself. As a offensive move however, i could understand(that's if they used the same quantity of chakra that's it), but using it in a defensive move won't be wise at all, far from it actually

Why would his own Enton burn him when he handled it without any injuries over here?

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Or he could move it from his direction via Kagutsuchi.

Not to mention Susanoo would tank it.

Depends on how we see things. The things you say V2 Susanoo have blocked were not concentrated attacks but rather spreading attacks like Juubi's tenpenchi for example. I guarantee you that if the Tenpenchi was concentrated on Madara only, he would have been blown up if he only used V2. Tsunade's punches for example were able to break V2 for example and i hardly see Tsunade's punch being stronger than FRS

Tsunade's hits broke Madara's Ribcage, not his V2 or higher.

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I was referring to Kirin, which was blocked by Itachi's V2 Susanoo, Kirin is not a spreading attack like Tenpenchi was, all the damage was focused toward Itachi, as he took a direct hit (With Susanoo)

 

[DemonicAvenger]

RM Naruto wins Low diff, especially now that he has more firepower per gaining

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Sasuke could push him to two RM Bunshin at best

 

[-immortal-]

i think Sasuke would Win this One...cause of Kirin..and Naruto may be Fast but if he Touches AMaterasu Ribcage SUsano...its over ...simple as that if naruto RasensHurikend Sasuke..if they can

 

[-immortal-]

Kirin destroyed this whole building, don't argue with manga fact.

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If you think Kirin is as strong as regular lightning then slap yourself. If you don't then this reply was pointless as we all know Kirin is just lightning, but stronger.

If you think that Naruto can dodge Kirin then please slap yourself even harder.



That's V2 Naruto, not KCM Naruto, different forms, different advantages.

i agree with you... U_U sasuke would win this fight

 

[Gakido]

Naruto wins easily. Sasuke will surpass this and match BM though.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Kirin destroyed this whole building, don't argue with manga fact.

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If you think Kirin is as strong as regular lightning then slap yourself. If you don't then this reply was pointless as we all know Kirin is just lightning, but stronger.

If you think that Naruto can dodge Kirin then please slap yourself even harder.



That's V2 Naruto, not KCM Naruto, different forms, different advantages.

Ignore the comments about KCM dodging Kirin. I don't think he has light speed in KCM. However, you need to see this description and dialog of Kirin kidgamer65.

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Kirin is formed from regular lightning. Itachi said that Sasuke was out of chakra. Sasuke himself said his only role was to guide the lightning down to his target. There's no chakra or special energy added to it. Zetsu said this also. However, what I think Kirin does is gather all the potential lightning energy from the thundercloud and use all of it at once to strike a single target.

It's possible that Naruto could survive, but the best condition he's be in is wounded, but still good fight.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ignore the comments about KCM dodging Kirin. I don't think he has light speed in KCM. However, you need to see this description and dialog of Kirin kidgamer65.

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Kirin is formed from regular lightning. Itachi said that Sasuke was out of chakra. Sasuke himself said his only role was to guide the lightning down to his target. There's no chakra or special energy added to it. Zetsu said this also. However, what I think Kirin does is gather all the potential lightning energy from the thundercloud and use all of it at once to strike a single target.

It's possible that Naruto could survive, but the best condition he's be in is wounded, but still good fight.

I highly doubt his cloak can take a direct hit from Kirin. He's been damaged by much less, like Han's kick, and even said that he'd be finished if he took a direct hit from V1 A.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I highly doubt his cloak can take a direct hit from Kirin. He's been damaged by much less, like Han's kick, and even said that he'd be finished if he took a direct hit from V1 A.

I'm not holding to the argument of whether Naruto would survive enough but he clearly meant a hit could hurt him if he didn't block it. He also didn't say it would finish him, he said it would cause trouble in a different scan. I don't know what to believe.

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Given the fact that he blocked it with no damage at all, I'd say he's referring to a hit when he can't manage to block.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not holding to the argument of whether Naruto would survive enough but he clearly meant a hit could hurt him if he didn't block it. He also didn't say it would finish him, he said it would cause trouble in a different scan. I don't know what to believe.

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Given the fact that he blocked it with no damage at all, I'd say he's referring to a hit when he can't manage to block.

I know he's referring to a hit he can't block. Doesn't mean he can survive Kirin though, blocking a hit is not the same as blocking lightning.

 

[Minator93]

How is this even a debate? Itachi already answered this U_U

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[KidGamer65]

How is this even a debate? Itachi already answered this U_U

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Cause Itachi is an omniscient god right?

No, fail post.

 

[Optimistic]

Its a shame how much people spit on Sasuke nowadays.

 

[sorbic]

naruto used shushin to dodge the raikage while sasuke actually dodged the raikage. Bar shushin, sasuke is as fast as or faster than naruto