KCM Naruto VS EMS Sasuke

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Sennin of Logic

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I'll examine and list their abilities first.


Naruto:


Has insane speed. Dodged the 4th raikage, the fastest ninja alive. He can't constantly use it though, but he generally moves at lightning armor V1 speed.
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His fist was so close, Naruto would have had to move faster than A to outrun his fist

He's strong enough to prevent a biju from closing his mouth to the extent that they would have to user their tails to strengthen their grip.
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He's durable enough to survive tenpenchi, which obliterated the landscape and made a mushroom cloud, while giving others cloaks to defend them, which was said that it could harm him. (don't know how, maybe he can make a cloak shield) It's possible that that's what did the damage (possible not holding to that)
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What a baws! (sorry, but that was an epic moment in the manga)

He has some sort of regen.
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It was burning him. You could tell by the smoke on Naruto's hands. Yet, he didn't have any marks on him when he was caught by B.


He has chakra arms which can allow for multiple ransengans simultaneously and can't be predicted by even a 3-tomoe sharingan.
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Notice how there's preimages for his attacks except the chakra arm?

He can sense opponent's emotions to the degree that he can block an attack while blinded. He's also immune to genjutsu (as stated by B that jinchuriki on friendly terms with their beasts are immune, and since neither Obito, nor Madara have attempted to put him under genjutsu, this must be the case).
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Naruto can still use a great deal of shadowclones. He even used them when it was risky. The number of shadow clones he can use could have only increased.

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Naruto's ninjutsu is also strong. Planetary ransengan probably does more damage to internal organs than the usual one and is strong enough to blast an opponent through rock(multiple ones if you count anime). Normal Ransenshuriken has, what I call, a blast mode and a cutting mode. The blast mode was capable of destroying lightning armor and doing some damage to the 3rd raikage (not severe). The cutting mode sliced through a 10 tails clone. That was normal FRS. There's a massive version that, if we go by comparing ransengan to massive ransengan, is much more powerful than the normal one. It's likely to outclass it severely. He can also use the tailed beast ransengan, which is extremely powerful as well.


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Naruto's tiny compared to it.

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The mere shock wave from it hitting something without exploding was enough to cause significant discomfort to the other ninja. Imagine how applying this to FRS would enhance it.

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Sasuke:

Sasuke has sharingan, which can help him predict his enemy's moves and allows him to fight toe to toe with them even if they're much faster. His speed is also great. His sharingan can put people under powerful genjutsu, but since Naruto's immune to it, I'm not going to use that in the list.

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I have to admit, that was awesome!

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He managed to hit A (put in to consideration that he was using sharingan though)



He has many variants of Chidori. I don't want to show all of them because I want to focus on what's used most. Chidori is a fast, piercing attack that's as strong as a normal ransengan in power. Chidori spear is well, a spear launched from his arm up to 5 meters and can fragment into smaller blades. He makes his sword pierce better by channeling lighning chakra into it, and it paralyzes opponents, but everyone knows this.
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He has amaterasu and inferno style, which can destroy even a biju. It can also be combined with ribcage susanoo as a defense. It can form darts and walls of flame as well.

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He has susanoo, which is extremely durable. We've seen Madara block a massive ransengan in a lower version.
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Sasuke has V3 and V4 susanoo. V3 has a bow and arrow that can have an amaterasu effect, inferno style sword that has extreme cutting ability (although no flame seen on it's targets), The bow also acts as a shield. V4's abilities of inferno style are similar, although it looses the bow (I think), and it uses black yasaka magatama instead, which bursts on target at burns them. I'm guessing it's power and durability would increase as well.
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Who would win? I think Naruto would. Naruto could probably evade/block all of Sasuke's taijutsu attacks just like he did with Itachi. Also, Naruto could use chakra arms to counter sharingan. A managed to dodge Sasuke's amaterasu, and Naruto is faster than A, so that's not a problem, since he'd sense Sasuke's intent to kill, so he can prepare his max speed.

I doubt that Susanoo in V3, or even in V4 wouldn't be cut open by massive ransenshuriken given what we've seen of a normal one. The problem however, would be in the shield. I don't know how much it can take, but even if it was good as yata mirror, Naruto could use his speed, chakra arms, or clones to get behind it, and attack where there is no shield. If one massive FRS isn't enough, he can use clones. He clearly wasn't exhausted from using FRS, so he can do it.

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That's my view. It wouldn't be a stomp. Sasuke would make one heck of a fight out of it, but Naruto wins overall. Naruto wouldn't be able to attack directly due to inferno style being fire.

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Neither would win, both will die in the shitstorm this thread will cause.
 

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Its a tie, KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke.
 

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If it's current, Naruto.

He can spam clones now, since he doesn't have to worry about Kurama.
 

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I give it to Sasuke. Any FRS bar Chou Oodama FRS can be blocked by Sasuke's lvl 4 EMS Susanoo with ease, adding an Enton shield to that makes it even easier to block.

Enton would nullify the massive FRS as we have seen in the latest chapter.

Enough Enton spam would bring about Thunder Clouds for Kirin, at that point its GG Naruto.
 

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I give it to Sasuke with high difficulty. Naruto's attacks are tanked by the Susanoo. If he can prepare the Kirin, Naruto is screwed.
 

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I give it to Sasuke. Any FRS bar Chou Oodama FRS can be blocked by Sasuke's lvl 4 EMS Susanoo with ease, adding an Enton shield to that makes it even easier to block.

Enton would nullify the massive FRS as we have seen in the latest chapter.

Enough Enton spam would bring about Thunder Clouds for Kirin, at that point its GG Naruto.


I don't have enough energy for a long discussion after making this, but, why in the heck, do you think that a barrage of massive ransenshuriken wouldn't destroy V4?


Please tell me you at least appreciate the level of detail and time I put into this.
 

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I give it to Sasuke with high difficulty. Naruto's attacks are tanked by the Susanoo. If he can prepare the Kirin, Naruto is screwed.

What makes you think that Naruto can't counter Kirin bu using massive FRS against it? Even if it doesn't destroy it, the clouds would be disrupted.
 

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I don't have enough energy for a long discussion after making this, but, why in the heck, do you think that a barrage of massive ransenshuriken wouldn't destroy V4?


Please tell me you at least appreciate the level of detail and time I put into this.

I never said it wouldn't. I clearly said that the massive FRS would have to be nullified by Enton. The normal sized FRS can be blocked or tanked, depending on how many are coming towards him.

I +repped you for the thread.
 

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Enton would nullify the massive FRS as we have seen in the latest chapter.

Uhm no, it would only make it stronger and probably end up with Sasuke burned.
 

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I never said it wouldn't. I clearly said that the massive FRS would have to be nullified by Enton. The normal sized FRS can be blocked or tanked, depending on how many are coming towards him.

I +repped you for the thread.

Ah, that makes sense. Does V4 have the shield though? One of my points was that Naruto could use clones or chakra arms to attack from behind. Do you have a counter for that? Sorry if I misunderstood you. This drained me.


Thanks for the rep.=D
 

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Uhm no, it would only make it stronger and probably end up with Sasuke burned.

Lmao, no. Wind makes Fire stronger, not the other way around. Those were pure flames that hit the Juubi in the latest chapter, FRS was used to give the flames a much greater volume.

Sasuke being burned by his own flames that he can control? Seems legit.

Ah, that makes sense. Does V4 have the shield though? One of my points was that Naruto could use clones or chakra arms to attack from behind. Do you have a counter for that? Sorry if I misunderstood you. This drained me.


Thanks for the rep.=D

Its an omnidirectional shield that is made of Enton flames.


So even if he attacks from behind:

-With a normal FRS, he could tank it without the Enton Shield.
-With a Massive FRS, if for some reason Sasuke doesn't counter it with Enton flames, once the FRS makes contact with the flames covering Sasuke's Susanoo, the flames would spread over the FRS and become larger due to the Wind surrounding it, and it just be a giant ball of flame that Sasuke can control via Kagutsuchi.
 
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Ooh its pretty tough. Who knows? Sasuke could use amaterasu as a defense to prevent Naruto getting in close range. You stated their abilities pretty well but for this Naruto said it best. "Next time we fight we will both die"
 

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Ooh its pretty tough. Who knows? Sasuke could use amaterasu as a defense to prevent Naruto getting in close range. You stated their abilities pretty well but for this Naruto said it best. "Next time we fight we will both die"

Chakra arms can get past that defense since he can destroy them before enton spreads.
 

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Lmao, no. Wind makes Fire stronger, not the other way around. Those were pure flames that hit the Juubi in the latest chapter, FRS was used to give the flames a much greater volume.

Sasuke being burned by his own flames that he can control? Seems legit.



Its an omnidirectional shield that is made of Enton flames.


So even if he attacks from behind:

-With a normal FRS, he could tank it without the Enton Shield.
-With a Massive FRS, if for some reason Sasuke doesn't counter it with Enton flames, once the FRS makes contact with the flames covering Sasuke's Susanoo, the flames would spread over the FRS and become larger due to the Wind surrounding it, and it just be a giant ball of flame that Sasuke can control via Kagutsuchi.

I see. Not to be picky, but have we seen him do this before with a complete susanoo other than ribcage? It would make more sense if he used amaterasu to make a ring of flames then uses inferno style after he activates V4.
 

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I see. Not to be picky, but have we seen him do this before with a complete susanoo other than ribcage? It would make more sense if he used amaterasu to make a ring of flames then uses inferno style after he activates V4.

Its simply Enton manipulation, all he needs is more flames so it covers the whole of his Susanoo.

The method you stated also works very well, perhaps even better.
 

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I'll go with my favorite cop-out answer for this match-up. They both tie
 

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Lmao, no. Wind makes Fire stronger, not the other way around.

What would happen is exactly what happened in this chapter. The FRS would be covered in black flames and would burn Sasuke. And yeah, Sasuke would get burned until he'd put them off via Enton. He's not immune to it, he's merely able to manipulate the fire.
 

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What would happen is exactly what happened in this chapter. The FRS would be covered in black flames and would burn Sasuke. And yeah, Sasuke would get burned until he'd put them off via Enton. He's not immune to it, he's merely able to manipulate the fire.

He was able to grasp the flames with his hand 2 chapters ago.


Its pretty obvious he's immune to it.

If Naruto fired FRS and Sasuke fired Enton at it, the Enton would consume the FRS and Sasuke could simply manipulate the flames so they wouldn't even hit him in the first place.

Not to mention Susanoo would simply tank it.
 
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