Then you cant take into account minato's kunai because minato travels the exact same distance that obito warpes his body parts. How far the parts move is irrelevant because its still moving almost instantly
He pulled up his susanno in time and dodged raikage's elbow solely because of his sharingan.
Thats like saying usain bolt won't have faster 100m dash times or ppl wont beat him in a race if they/he react's better.
Going by the manga, minato's reaction time is better than a sharingan's. Proven during his fight with obito which was labelled a battle of speed, sharingan is irrelevant in obito's overall speed.
Ur failing to understand the point of the equation. We don't know what obito's materialization rate is. But we DO know that it's constant and has a value greater than 0.
lets say its 1 sec. NO MATTER THE DISTANCE its going to take him 2 seconds to get there. Y? because he has to dematerialize, and materialize.
Any distance naruto clears in less than 2 sec will result in him moving faster than obito since obito has the flat rate. Whether it takes obito 1 second or 1 femtosecond doesn't really matter.
False. I dont see where it was stated so, or when was there made any comparison to any other with high reflexes. When minato can dodge 4 kage lvls from blind spots also we might talk.
Both sharingan and even raiton armour > base human perception, thus reflexes.
Ur failing to understand the point of the equation. We don't know what obito's materialization rate is. But we DO know that it's constant and has a value greater than 0.
I already showed u the equation. The rate has to be slower then distance divided by speed for naruto to hit obito.
T(O) <= D(N)/S(N). However naruto chakra arms probably faster then his shunshin couldnt make it.
Obito has variable warping rate.
So getting into room comprised of kages and jonins, warping sasuke completely out w/o any1 even noticing, including karin one of best sensors. This feat doesn't allow u to stab kage lvl like a fodder? Biased or brain damaged?
In order to blitz some 1 u have to have enough speed to appear behind them and strike b4 they can react. He demonstrated the speed and he demonstrated the action (warping sasuke) which he can trade for attack, all w/o being noticed.
Ur gonna blindly deny his capability, cuz he didnt cheap shot any1?
Biased it is then.
He can't warp instantly and as such has a minimum/set amount of time for materialization. If he could warp instantly izanagi would have never been used. Words from konan"it takes longer to warp yourself than others" The fact that it "takes" somthing means that time passes when he materializes.
False. I dont see where it was stated so, or when was there made any comparison to any other with high reflexes. When minato can dodge 4 kage lvls from blind spots also we might talk.
Both sharingan and even raiton armour > base human perception, thus reflexes.
I already showed u the equation. The rate has to be slower then distance divided by speed for naruto to hit obito.
T(O) <= D(N)/S(N). However naruto chakra arms probably faster then his shunshin couldnt make it.
Obito has variable warping rate.
His warping rate may vary but he has a set minimum. Fact.
Didn't minato react faster than the person who 4 kage lvls from blind spots during their confrontation?
Isn't raiton armour compared (not even equal) to minato's base perception ?
Obito can teleport anywhere in the world without prep time...within seconds so its pretty simple,
if ppl count s/t as a part of speed then Obito>Minato.....cuz minato needs a tag while Obito doesn't
so top 5 list would be
1)Obito
2)Minato
3)Naruto
4)A/3rd Raikage
5)Guy/Lee
but if ppl doesn't consider s/t as a part of speed then list will be
1)Naruto
2)A/3rd Raikage
3)Guy/Lee
4)Obito/Minato
Obito can teleport anywhere in the world without prep time...within seconds so its pretty simple,
if ppl count s/t as a part of speed then Obito>Minato.....cuz minato needs a tag while Obito doesn't
so top 5 list would be
1)Obito
2)Minato
3)Naruto
4)A/3rd Raikage
5)Guy/Lee
but if ppl doesn't consider s/t as a part of speed then list will be
1)Naruto
2)A/3rd Raikage
3)Guy/Lee
4)Obito/Minato
I agree that Obito is faster than Naruto but the only reason that Kakashi "saved his ass" was that Naruto wasn't able to sense Obito blitzing him because he distributed chakra to everyone and he has only a vague amount left and chose to be conservative in that situation.
Obito can teleport anywhere in the world without prep time...within seconds so its pretty simple,
if ppl count s/t as a part of speed then Obito>Minato.....cuz minato needs a tag while Obito doesn't
so top 5 list would be
1)Obito
2)Minato
3)Naruto
4)A/3rd Raikage
5)Guy/Lee
but if ppl doesn't consider s/t as a part of speed then list will be
1)Naruto
2)A/3rd Raikage
3)Guy/Lee
4)Obito/Minato
According to Yamato KCM Naruto's shunshin is still inferior to that of Minato's, & this is the mode where Naruto evaded 4th Raikages fastest attack. Only BM Naruto's body flicker is equal to Minato's. So, with or without S/T Minato should be the fastest. Also, Minato's reaction time is still better than Naruto.
It takes time to warp himself, however it takes no time at all to go intangible, as I said im comparing overall speed & while naruto can travel short distances in a significant amount of time, obito has multiple other speed feats that make him overall faster.
& I agree obito's speed is next to nothing without kamui
Did you miss the part where kakashi gave naruto a head's up? Did you also miss the two exclamation points indicating extreme surprise??
So it seems as though everybody thinks that naruto is faster than obito (after seeing the top 5 speed list), however I will compare the difference, & everyone is free to pull up scans of naruto's speed feats but I am only providing the best one because its the only comparable one.
This is naruto's best speed feat:
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& while this is a great speed feat, obito has multiple other speed feats that trump this:
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Traveled from the K11 to Itachi in no time flat, zetsu even comments on how obito can move at the speed of light. Naruto traveled a short distance in a significant amount of time (which is great for solidifying the third spot), however this feat is nothing compared to what obito has done.
Obito can blitz with kamui too, he saved sasuke's life during an active jinton:
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He also attempted to save sasuke's life against danzo's sword slash. I will provide the scan of the attempt but refer to the chapter to fully determine the distance between the two:
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Now these are with just MS obito, rinnegan obito was able to fend off the fastest taijutsu user in the manga along with KM naruto. Also keep in mind that none of them could even touch obito, the difference in speed was still that significant:
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Another difference in speed between obito & KM naruto, he is able to kamui fast enough to blitz naruto. KM couldnt even sense him, kakashi had to save his ass:
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& now I finally ask, when has naruto ever even hit obito without the help of a s/t user? This is the only time that naruto himself has hit obito:
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The only reason the above scan even took place is because obito chose not to go intangible...
Well Obito is moving, he moves to his other dimension then to the other location. in close combat Naruto is faster is the sense that he goes to his target in a "Flash" which was only mentione when Minato used FTG and Obito is slower than the FTG. Obito teleports just like Minato's FTG so technically they both don't use speed when they use their S/T jutsus but the rate that they reach their destination (long distance) is faster than what others can travel. Minato is fast without FTG, he save Naruto from Obito without FTG and Obito said he deserve the name of the Yellow Flash, also you have to take in their reaction time and Minato and Naruto had the best. Obito going intangible is him moving from one dimension to another so it is speed but as Minato has shown, a faster speed can beat him before going intangible.
Naruto only used his speed 3x, on Kisame, on A and on the bijuus. not on Itachi, Obito or anyone else so can't say Naruto is not fast enough to hit Obito but more that he didn't or couldn't use his speed. Go back to where Naruto first started training with Kurama's power and fast foward to just before being healed by Sakura, Naruto hasn't have any real time to recover so been fighting days with many shadow clones in different battle fields.
Also about Kakashi warning Naruto about Obito over him, Naruto was in KM which senses differently than other sensory types. So an exhausted Naruto who senses evil intent can't sense attacks like SM. SM has the best sensory shown so far and Naruto with his eyes closes countered the 3rd Raikage's fastest attack and Naruto shown that he can sense everyone on the battle field from miles away. We can see that he doesn't always use his sensory tho.
Obito can travel a large distance in a very short time. However, that time is practically constant whether he travels 10m or 1km. Naruto on the other hand is much, much faster when it comes to close to medium distances because the time to travel is shorter.
In other words:
Speed= distance/time, or time= distance/speed.
That means that the time Naruto needs to travel from A to B changes porportianally to the distance. Because Naruto's speed is very large, when the distance is small, taking the limit yields time=0.
However, this equation doesn't apply to Obito. That is, He moves according to an equation more like this:
Speed = X where X is a constant.
Of course, this is just a guess not a statement based on theory because I don't know much about space–time.
Well Obito is moving, he moves to his other dimension then to the other location. in close combat Naruto is faster is the sense that he goes to his target in a "Flash" which was only mentione when Minato used FTG and Obito is slower than the FTG. Obito teleports just like Minato's FTG so technically they both don't use speed when they use their S/T jutsus but the rate that they reach their destination (long distance) is faster than what others can travel. Minato is fast without FTG, he save Naruto from Obito without FTG and Obito said he deserve the name of the Yellow Flash, also you have to take in their reaction time and Minato and Naruto had the best. Obito going intangible is him moving from one dimension to another so it is speed but as Minato has shown, a faster speed can beat him before going intangible.
Naruto only used his speed 3x, on Kisame, on A and on the bijuus. not on Itachi, Obito or anyone else so can't say Naruto is not fast enough to hit Obito but more that he didn't or couldn't use his speed. Go back to where Naruto first started training with Kurama's power and fast foward to just before being healed by Sakura, Naruto hasn't have any real time to recover so been fighting days with many shadow clones in different battle fields.
Also about Kakashi warning Naruto about Obito over him, Naruto was in KM which senses differently than other sensory types. So an exhausted Naruto who senses evil intent can't sense attacks like SM. SM has the best sensory shown so far and Naruto with his eyes closes countered the 3rd Raikage's fastest attack and Naruto shown that he can sense everyone on the battle field from miles away. We can see that he doesn't always use his sensory tho.
