Obito is faster than Naruto

[AlphaScythian]

Kakashi giving heads up to Naruto doesn't have anything to do with speed.
Naruto was distracted and exhausted.True he wouldn't have noticed Obito if it wasn't for Kakashi.But that can't characterize him slower than Obitbito was trying to strike Naruto when he was weak fighting against Juubi.
That panel only proves that Naruto>Obito in speed.
He had time to avoid Obito's hit even though he only noticed seconds before.Obito was already halfway out of kamui dimension and still not fast enough to strike him.And again Naruto only noticed Obito after he was halfway his jutsu.Obito was unwrapping at that moment,making it clear that Naruto was able to react and move faster even when Obito had already started to move.
In distance travel, it's not wise to compare an S/T user with a regular ninja in speed.I don't even remember a battle when traveling a long distance was must feat to defeat someone.So battle wise,long distance travel is useless.
Also intangibility is not a speed feat.Obito just sends a part of his body to the other dimension.He is not moving that part.Which means that if Obito himself wont move with regular speed that part will only reaper in the exact same spot.To measure speed you need to cover distance in an amount of time.Sending part of his body in kamui dimension isn't movement by itself.Obito needs to move his whole body and then reappear his body members to consider intangibility as movement.

So obito that had no chakra refills, was controlling bijus, fought 4 kage levels all with speed around 5, was controlling juubi. In the end he covered more distance then naruto, proving to have genuine better speed, not simply dodging A or something still gets to be slower?
Well played....

 

[Midday]

The manga and author have proven through all three Uchihas that Sharingan can keep track of Naruto's speed without any hitch. Madara reflected mini TBB right back in Naruto's moronic mug, Obito kept up with not only KCM Naruto but with BM as he had him pinned before the saving cavalry arrived, and Sasuke just proved that his reaction and Base speed is faster than KCM Naruto.

No surprises there. Only those people who have a pair of busted, expired eyes would twist images and disagree.

No it hasn't Naruto did not attempt to blitz Madara he tracked regular speed Naruto, evidence points towards him no being able to considering he got blitzed by Lee and Kakashi already stated he couldn't keep track with sharringan. Dunno why you guys think Naruto moves at his max speed all the time. Also Sasuke proved that he kept up with a worn out Naruto's non body flicker speed.

Obito is the only exception due to his top tier reaction skills which even kept up with Minato's FTG.

 

[Bogard]

Sorry but i refuse to admit that someone who got speedblitzed by Kakashi is faster than Naruto. Intangibility =/= speed and his teleportation jutsu is useless in battle since it takes too much time to be used. He may be able to cross greater distance than Naruto thanks to his teleportation outside battle, but during a battle, Naruto will always be faster since he can cross short-mid distance in an instant or almost with his shunshin alone

 

[Midday]

He still missed what were you trying to prove? That you could use MS paint.

P.S. Ever heard of gravity

As well as not taking into account reaction times.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Sorry but i refuse to admit that someone who got speedblitzed by Kakashi is faster than Naruto. Intangibility =/= speed and his teleportation jutsu is useless in battle since it takes too much time to be used. He may be able to cross greater distance than Naruto thanks to his teleportation outside battle, but during a battle, Naruto will always be faster since he can cross short-mid distance in an instant or almost with his shunshin alone

No surprise here at least.

As well as not taking into account reaction times.

Reaction times? Naruto was warned pretty in time as we see obito's face and exclamation marks from naruto, meaning he was aware.

 

[Draphsin]

Kakashi giving heads up to Naruto doesn't have anything to do with speed.
Naruto was distracted and exhausted.True he wouldn't have noticed Obito if it wasn't for Kakashi.But that can't characterize him slower than Obitbito was trying to strike Naruto when he was weak fighting against Juubi.
That panel only proves that Naruto>Obito in speed.

Naruto's KM reaction time is just as good as minato's, naruto may have been tired but that doesnt matter as he can still blitz with mere instinct. It doesnt take much thought to sidestep a few meters (the distance being nothing for a top tier blitzer like naruto)

If naruto reacted in time without any help then yes he would be faster. But The fact that he needed the heads up to react to obito means that obito can do it again. & that would be a speed blitz.

Also, naruto's exhaustion means nothing because even with full chakra naruto still couldnt get 1 hit on obito, & thats including the help of gai.

He had time to avoid Obito's hit even though he only noticed seconds before.Obito was already halfway out of kamui dimension and still not fast enough to strike him.And again Naruto only noticed Obito after he was halfway his jutsu.Obito was unwrapping at that moment,making it clear that Naruto was able to react and move faster even when Obito had already started to move.

He only had time because of kakashi. I see what youre saying about naruto being able to blitz as fast as obito can warp from A-B, but that is irrelevant as Obito's intangibility is still leagues above naruto's speed.

In distance travel, it's not wise to compare an S/T user with a regular ninja in speed.I don't even remember a battle when traveling a long distance was must feat to defeat someone.So battle wise,long distance travel is useless.

People compare minato & naruto all the time. Minato is not the fastest without it as some people try to claim.

Its not a must, but if obito can travel insane distances then that means he can safely use his jinchuuriki paths from a safe distance as well, & before anybody can get close he can easily warp to the other side of the battlefield.

Long distance travel can be useful if you know how to use it in a battle.

Also intangibility is not a speed feat.Obito just sends a part of his body to the other dimension.He is not moving that part.Which means that if Obito himself wont move with regular speed that part will only reaper in the exact same spot.To measure speed you need to cover distance in an amount of time.Sending part of his body in kamui dimension isn't movement by itself.Obito needs to move his whole body and then reappear his body members to consider intangibility as movement.

Intangibility is a speed feat. Obito is able to react, & transport a part of his body somewhere else to prevent it from getting hit. The fact that he can react to, activate, transport, bring back, & immediately deactivate his kamui makes his intangibility a speed feat just as much as his warping.

Minato/Naruto being able to react to & dodge A is a speed feat, no? Well then obito being able to react to & use kamui before an enemy can even hit him should also count as a speed feat.

 

[Bronze]

obito is using space-time ninjutsu to travel from distances from another in a short amount of time. its different from normal speed. you cant really compare them. the part where the raikage was going to hit obito, obito didnt dodge it by speed, he just let slip through him.

naruto uses normal speed as in running, obito uses space-time ninjutsu.

 

[Draphsin]

obito is using space-time ninjutsu to travel from distances from another in a short amount of time. its different from normal speed. you cant really compare them. the part where the raikage was going to hit obito, obito didnt dodge it by speed, he just let slip through him.

naruto uses normal speed as in running, obito uses space-time ninjutsu.

Minato uses s/t for half of his speed feats, is he not the fastest?

 

[Midday]

Minato uses s/t for half of his speed feats, is he not the fastest?

He also has his kcm enhanced foot speed.

 

[Draphsin]

He also has his kcm enhanced foot speed.

Im referring to an alive minato, Edo minato does in fact have the best speed, but alive he is just a really fast ninja.

 

[AlphaScythian]

He also has his kcm enhanced foot speed.

Thats now. He was labeled fastest w/o it.

 

[Midday]

Im referring to an alive minato, Edo minato does in fact have the best speed, but alive he is just a really fast ninja.

He still had the kyuubi chakra when he was alive although briefly. I see your point, I break it down into actual body speed vs how fast you can A to B, which is always going to be in a teleporters favour.

 

[Bronze]

Minato uses s/t for half of his speed feats, is he not the fastest?

when tobi threw naruto and tried to stab him, minato was more than fast enough to catch in less than second, and that was his normal speed. obito prefers to combine kamui with his normal speed, you cant say they both are his speed

 

[shelke]

No it hasn't Naruto did not attempt to blitz Madara he tracked regular speed Naruto, evidence points towards him no being able to considering he got blitzed by Lee and Kakashi already stated he couldn't keep track with sharringan. Dunno why you guys think Naruto moves at his max speed all the time. Also Sasuke proved that he kept up with a worn out Naruto's non body flicker speed.

Obito is the only exception due to his top tier reaction skills which even kept up with Minato's FTG.

I am afraid you are grasping now. A war is taking place and everything is at stake, but Naruto just didn't decide to use his speed? Sorry, this just doesn't add up at all. Kakashi's sharingan has displayed base abilities rather than the wholesome advanced ones which includes seeing objects behind solid hindrances. It could just be his own limitations.

Worn out Naruto that was healed by Sakura and drawing out Kurama's chakra for KCM? The same KCM that made Yamato's wood sprout flora? I hope to god you are joking. Actually, Obito's S/T was superior to Minato's - according to the man himself - way back on that fateful day. I can only imagine how far he has improved.

 

[bogosixone]

Yeah... Minato without FTG is not too fast and Naruto without SM/KCM (base) is not too fast either.

 

[Draphsin]

He still had the kyuubi chakra when he was alive although briefly. I see your point, I break it down into actual body speed vs how fast you can A to B, which is always going to be in a teleporters favour.

Yeah that's one way to look at it, Im merely comparing general speed in which obito has the clear advantage.

 

[Midday]

I am afraid you are grasping now. A war is taking place and everything is at stake, but Naruto just didn't decide to use his speed? Sorry, this just doesn't add up at all. Kakashi's sharingan has displayed base abilities rather than the wholesome advanced ones which includes seeing objects behind solid hindrances. It could just be his own limitations.

Worn out Naruto that was healed by Sakura and drawing out Kurama's chakra for KCM? The same KCM that made Yamato's wood sprout flora? I hope to god you are joking. Actually, Obito's S/T was superior to Minato's - according to the man himself - way back on that fateful day. I can only imagine how far he has improved.

Don't put a spin on my post. You claim Uchiha's can keep track on Naruto's speed, assuming you're talking about his speed that deflected 5 tbb's you're wrong as that has not been shown with the examples you gave. They have been shown to keep up with Naruto's regular speed but that's it. Kakashi has shown no limits with sharringan(but his own body), the limits are only your assumption to support your bias.

I'm aware of Obito's s/t being superior considering Minato already stated it, I don't think i've said otherwise. I've only stated Obito has shown reactions good enough to keep up with FTG.

 

[Draphsin]

when tobi threw naruto and tried to stab him, minato was more than fast enough to catch in less than second, and that was his normal speed. obito prefers to combine kamui with his normal speed, you cant say they both are his speed

That is one speed feat, now go look at all of minato's other speed feats. The all involve FTG so yes, without FTG minato's speed feats are cut in half.

Obito uses kamui as a replacement for his speed, so yes it is his speed.

 

[shelke]

Don't put a spin on my post. You claim Uchiha's can keep track on Naruto's speed, assuming you're talking about his spped that deflected 5 tbb's you're wrong as that has not been shown with the examples you gave. They have been shown to keep up with Naruto's regular speed but that's it.

I'm aware of Obito's s/t being superior considering Minato already stated it, I don't think i've said otherwise. I've only stated Obito has shown reactions good enough to keep up with FTG.

Speed is a Scalar quantity that simple measures how fast or slow something moves from point A to B. It has no physical existence to counter anything. The term 'Reflect' is specifically used on that manga page. It only takes a bit of common sense to figure how what Naruto did there. I mean, no where on that manga page it's even remotely implied that Naruto reflected anything with speed. I don't know how you Naruto fans even came to this conclusion.

Kakashi's limits are not my assumptions from any angle but your own poor perceptions. Try to pay more attention to what images connote and Denote. Support my bias? I could say the same for your speed deflection interpretation that doesn't even make any sense.

And?

 

[Midday]

Speed is a Scalar quantity that simple measures how fast or slow something moves from point A to B. It has no physical existence to counter anything. The term 'Reflect' is specifically used on that manga page. It only takes a bit of common sense to figure how what Naruto did there. I mean, no where on that manga page it's even remotely implied that Naruto reflected anything with speed. I don't know how you Naruto fans even came to this conclusion.

And?

I'm aware the tbb's didn't get pushed away with just speed, i'm talking about the speed he used when he deflected the tbb's. You've picked up on my poor wording but failed to refute the core point in the post which was your claim that Madara can keep up with Naruto's top speed which has not been shown.