Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

[johnnyindigo]

Show me were it says Uzumaki have large reserves. I remember Kushina saying they have a strong life force, and that she had unique chakra, and Yamato saying Naruto has powerful chakra, but never large reserves. If you can show me a manga scan or a databook reference, I'll concede.

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Being a descendant of the Uzumaki clan, Naruto inherited an incredibly strong life-force. This gives him extraordinary stamina and vitality, and by extension, an equally long potential lifespan,
Naruto is a tank because he is part uzumaki, WAYYY above average levels chakra.
Uzumaki clans are known as the body, so they have the physical energy

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Sage Mode requires large amounts of chakra or there is no point in even learning it. Where he got his chakra? Kurama. The training method he used to get Sage Mode was shadow clone spam. Usable only due to Kyuubi chakra.

Like above post he doesn't get it from Kurama........ Kurama directly interferred with Sage mode not allowing him to fuse w/ Ma + Pa

Firstly, you petty opinions are not facts. Second, I have no intention of changing your way of thinking. I can't fix your denial.

Its you sir that is in denial

I never said anything about being afraid. I said the Kyuubi admitted inferiority. "A chakra more potent than my own, akin to Madara Uchiha." Kurama said something along those lines.



Kurama did not admit inferiority, for X amount of years, the sharingan has placed the kyuubi under genjutsu which it is susceptible to. He said a chakra more sinister, this was around the time sasuke was crazy

Yeah right. Naruto would be dead if Bee didn't take the first Bijuu Dama, and would be more Emo than Sasuke if his mother didn't save him from the hatred. Not to mention he had to have his mommy hold Kurama still so he could get in a hit. Let's not ignore the advantage of fighting in his own mind. Ripping away the Kyuubi's chakra and manipulating the seal to suppress Kurama. I'd hardly call that a legitimate victory.

The last part of the battle Sage Mode + Oodama Rasengan was all Naruto dont hate

You've got to be kidding me. A birthright and having a demon sealed within you is as different as night and day. They are not the same, not that I'd expect you to admit it.

The are given powers.... Thats what makes it the same, It was basically naruto's "birthright" I was what his parents left him as soon as he was born, he was even born with whiskers if you didnt know. He was "DESTINED" to become jinchuuriki if you want to put it like that

You've gotta be joking. If he were really successfully manipulated by Itachi, he wouldn't have turned dark. If he were successfully manipulated by Orochimaru, he would have been Orochimaru's new host. If he were successfully manipulated by Obito, he would not have killed Zetsu and walked out. Not to mention these guys are master manipulators and all failed. Of course, you won't accept this. You'll just continue with the silly delusion that he was manipulated so you can put him below Naruto. The fact that you think Hashirama's talk and Itachi's "I will always love" you is manipulation suggests you don't even know what the word means. Stay in denial all you want though. The facts are there. One of them being Sasuke has either beaten or stalemated with Naruto in each of their confrontations.

Current naruto would demolish sasuke tho...

 

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Naruto has Sage Mode, Kage Bunshin, Rasengan, Rasenshuriken, etc.

 

[CrimsonFire]

"Naruto gaining the respect from Kurama is his biggest victory till now."

In one way it's true that Kurama finally becoming friends with Naruto is beneficial, but Kurama Conversion and the way it happen in my opinion sucked. The reason is very simple; the development between Naruto and Kurama relationship lacks a lot, making that moment when Kurama became friends with Naruto bad at least to me. Kishimoto should had start developing the relation between Naruto and Kumara during part 1, then continue progressing the relation between the two, so their bond could grow leading Naruto and Kumara to work together.


However, in part 1 Kumara was just mere demon in the beginning and all Naruto did was just took his power. It took what 400 chapters just to confront Kumara. Developing a bond is a key factor, but Kishi took a short cut and just gave Kumara a few chapters of flash back.....LAME. If Kishi would had gave Naruto and Kurmara progression to let their bond grow then it would had been good. I'm just saying lol

 

[VolatileSoul]

It was a burden. Sasuke's gifts were no burdens. He didn't suffer from it like Naruto did. His powerful eyes, just like that. Look Oro's seal, just got it like that too. Same goes for Itachi's eyes, etc...

Anything else?

So curse seal almost killing him, eroding his mind so he was easier to influence, and causing him constant pain wasn't a burden? MS, which activates because of suffering, causes inevitable blindness and pain with each use wasn't a burden?

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Being a descendant of the Uzumaki clan, Naruto inherited an incredibly strong life-force. This gives him extraordinary stamina and vitality, and by extension, an equally long potential lifespan,
Naruto is a tank because he is part uzumaki, WAYYY above average levels chakra.
Uzumaki clans are known as the body, so they have the physical energy

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I missed the part where it said this was due to him being an Uzumaki. Life force and Vitality does not equate to a large chakra reserves.

Like above post he doesn't get it from Kurama........ Kurama directly interferred with Sage mode not allowing him to fuse w/ Ma + Pa

Kyuubi interfered with the amphibian technique, not sage mode itself. I never said he got it from Kurama, it was possible due to the large chakra he got from Kurama. First by making it possible to learn sage mode, as it requires huge chakra as there would be no point in even learning it, and the shadow clone method, which is only possible due to his large chakra reserves.

Its you sir that is in denial

I never said anything about being afraid. I said the Kyuubi admitted inferiority. "A chakra more potent than my own, akin to Madara Uchiha." Kurama said something along those lines.



Kurama did not admit inferiority, for X amount of years, the sharingan has placed the kyuubi under genjutsu which it is susceptible to. He said a chakra more sinister, this was around the time sasuke was crazy

Care to tell me what I'm in denial about? I'm pretty sure calling Sasuke's chakra more sinister than his own is admitting he is inferior. And Kurama said this when Sasuke was sane. He went mad around the Kage Summit arc.

The last part of the battle Sage Mode + Oodama Rasengan was all Naruto dont hate

You should tell the Naruto fanboys around here don't hate as well. And an infinite sage mode due to fighting in his own mind, after mommy tripped Kurama for him. Like I said, hardly a legitimate victory. Not hating, just calling it like I see it, same as his fans do.

The are given powers.... Thats what makes it the same, It was basically naruto's "birthright" I was what his parents left him as soon as he was born, he was even born with whiskers if you didnt know. He was "DESTINED" to become jinchuuriki if you want to put it like that

I fail to see how another sentient creature can be a birthright, nor do I see why having whiskers, a side effect to his mother being a Jinchuurki, is even relevant here. He was destined for greatness though. The plot has made sure of that.

Current naruto would demolish sasuke tho...

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

[Amaterasuice]

I agree that people shouldn't try to take powers away from characters, but Sasuke's eyes he was born with. Naruto was given Kurama. But you could take Itachi's eyes away, so it'd be Sasuke ms vs Naruto sm.

 

[johnnyindigo]

So curse seal almost killing him, eroding his mind so he was easier to influence, and causing him constant pain wasn't a burden? MS, which activates because of suffering, causes inevitable blindness and pain with each use wasn't a burden?


I missed the part where it said this was due to him being an Uzumaki. Life force and Vitality does not equate to a large chakra reserves.




Kyuubi interfered with the amphibian technique, not sage mode itself. I never said he got it from Kurama, it was possible due to the large chakra he got from Kurama. First by making it possible to learn sage mode, as it requires huge chakra as there would be no point in even learning it, and the shadow clone method, which is only possible due to his large chakra reserves.








Care to tell me what I'm in denial about? I'm pretty sure calling Sasuke's chakra more sinister than his own is admitting he is inferior. And Kurama said this when Sasuke was sane. He went mad around the Kage Summit arc.




You should tell the Naruto fanboys around here don't hate as well. And an infinite sage mode due to fighting in his own mind, after mommy tripped Kurama for him. Like I said, hardly a legitimate victory. Not hating, just calling it like I see it, same as his fans do.



I fail to see how another sentient creature can be a birthright, nor do I see why having whiskers, a side effect to his mother being a Jinchuurki, is even relevant here. He was destined for greatness though. The plot has made sure of that.



Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Curse seal almost killing him? He got a free powerup from a strange man who gave him a hickey, which he then seeked out. It was an easy source of power. MS causes suffering when overused, still a quick poke to the head caused that powerup + Amaterasu is extremely OP
1. if you don't KNOW that Uzumakis have large chakra reserves stop reading the manga
It takes quite amount of chakra to keep the beast at bay, You need to have high chakra levels... & uzumakis are a good fit for tailed beasts because of this.

2. Is Jiraiya an uzumaki?? But yet he has enough chakra to use sage mode which proves that you don't need to be a tailed beast
Sage mode is something through pure training completely seperate from the nine tails.
The nine tails WAS a hindrance with naruto learning sage mode.
3. Lmao having more evil chakra makes you stronger? Thats basically what you're saying. WRONG
4. That mind battle is feats for what Naruto can actually do. And that battle wasnt that long anyway + he can make those amount of clones if he isnt sitting there gathering sage chakra with other clones.
5. Without borrowed powers sasuke is blind, naruto still owns him so you're point is mute
6. So you're saying EMS Sasuke > BM Naruto?? Don't make me laugh.

 

[shelke]

You're a hypocrite. You say that you agree that you don't like it when powers that people are born with are taken away. Yet, I haven't seen you correct ONE Sasuke fanboy that does this. You've only been correcting Naruto fans.

I am not responsible for any other fan's comments. What am I, their keeper? Naruto fans are probably the worst of the lot, especially this Ramen guy who has made so many Sasuke hate threads that it's beyond the point of irritation. Just look at his points. More than half of them are made up rubbish, repeatedly corrected by me. Yet he ignores them, then why should I direct my corrections at someone else when the thread maker, has yet again, created a moronic analysis that shows his general mental capacity?

This is not a good argument. Biju chakra is stronger than normal. What's easier to control, a pistol, or a cannon? Is it easier to do delicate operations with less force, or more force?

That is just your own assumption as Bijuu chakra usage is facilitated by something as simplistic as bond. Remember how he developed KCM? Yes, he did practice a bit but it was nothing like the training one would go through in base mode. You are just in denial here.

Bullshit.

Naruto's Sage Mode has nothing to do with his chakra wich is huge because he's an Uzumaki. Jiraiya and Hashirama for example also got Sage Mode and they have not so many chakra. Naruto would still be an Elite Shinobi who can become as strong as Hashirama is >>> Sasuke.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

The level of non-sense and Bull-Shitery is over 10,000 with this one. Come back again when Naruto develops something even remotely along the lines of Mokuton. Makes a Rasangan with a single hand in base mode and even in KCM and BM all the time. What a ridiculously lame fanboy.

 

[Draphsin]

Naruto would still have chakra, tho. So he would still have Sage Mode wich will be enough to be >>> fodder Sasuke without sharingan.

No he wouldnt have SM. Naruto without his uzumaki bloodline is just as garbage as a sharinganless sasuke, SM requires massive chakra amounts, so unless minato can master SM then naruto cant without his uzumaki chakra either.

 

[johnnyindigo]

No he wouldnt have SM. Naruto without his uzumaki bloodline is just as garbage as a sharinganless sasuke, SM requires massive chakra amounts, so unless minato can master SM then naruto cant without his uzumaki chakra either.

Nah naruto still would have SM
Jiraiya doesn't have uzumaki chakra but still has it so it is your assumption
+ Minato has above average decent chakra levels, being able to summon the top toads/ redirecting tailed beast bomb / teleporting of Kurama
+ Naruto would be able to fuse w/ ma and pa so GG Sasuke

 

[VolatileSoul]

Curse seal almost killing him? He got a free powerup from a strange man who gave him a hickey, which he then seeked out. It was an easy source of power. MS causes suffering when overused, still a quick poke to the head caused that powerup + Amaterasu is extremely OP
1. if you don't KNOW that Uzumakis have large chakra reserves stop reading the manga
It takes quite amount of chakra to keep the beast at bay, You need to have high chakra levels... & uzumakis are a good fit for tailed beasts because of this.

He was attacked against his will, and the cursed seal kills 9/10 of it's victims, erodes their minds, and causes them pain. MS causes pain by mere use, not by overuse, and eventually causes blindness. It is also not optional. It awakens whether the user wants it or not and causes eventual blindness. Itachi's poke gave Sasuke a one time use of Amaterasu. It was his death that gave him MS.

I asked you to show me a scan, explicitly stating that Uzumaki's all have large reserves. I will not simply take your opinion that they do as fact. It takes powerful chakra to keep a Bijuu at bay, not large reserves. And anyone can be a Jinchuriki. whether they are successful or not depends on the quality of the seal and the potency of the host's chakra.

2. Is Jiraiya an uzumaki?? But yet he has enough chakra to use sage mode which proves that you don't need to be a tailed beast
Sage mode is something through pure training completely seperate from the nine tails.
The nine tails WAS a hindrance with naruto learning sage mode.

Like I said, Sage Mode requires large chakra to use. Also, the method that Naruto used to learn it, Shadow Clone spam, was only possible thanks to his large reserves, which come from Kurama. The nine tails was never a hindrance to learning it. He just prevented the frog from merging with Naruto, not preventing Naruto from learning the technique.

3. Lmao having more evil chakra makes you stronger? Thats basically what you're saying. WRONG

I'll concede on that.

4. That mind battle is feats for what Naruto can actually do. And that battle wasnt that long anyway + he can make those amount of clones if he isnt sitting there gathering sage chakra with other clones.

So Naruto can maintain an indefinite sage mode? No. He would have been dead if Bee didn't take that first Bijuu Dama for him, he would have succumbed to hatred were it not for his mother, and the final Bijuu Dama would have wiped him out were it not for the fact that he was fighting within his mind and could manipulate the seal to save him at any time.

5. Without borrowed powers sasuke is blind, naruto still owns him so you're point is mute

And without his handout Naruto wouldn't even graduate from the academy. Sasuke wouldn't need eyes to take him out.

6. So you're saying EMS Sasuke > BM Naruto?? Don't make me laugh.

Like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Flawž]

this debate is useless.

Kurama and Toads are part of naruto's Arsenal.

Sharingan and EMS is part of sasuke's arsenal.

 

[Draphsin]

Nah naruto still would have SM
Jiraiya doesn't have uzumaki chakra but still has it so it is your assumption

Manga fact that you require huge amounts of chakra, jiraiya simply had a lot of chakra, but even then he couldnt fully master SM.

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+ Minato has above average decent chakra levels, being able to summon the top toads/ redirecting tailed beast bomb / teleporting of Kurama

Minato has decent chakra levels, however that doesnt even compare to the massive amounts you need for SM.

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He got tired after redirecting the tbb. He fell & was sweating, both signs of exhaustion (when has minato even fallen from teleporting? he was feeling the burn).

+ Naruto would be able to fuse w/ ma and pa so GG Sasuke

Wrong, naruto without uzumaki blood cant use SM, fact.

 

[Flawž]

Manga fact that you require huge amounts of chakra, jiraiya simply had a lot of chakra, but even then he couldnt fully master SM.

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Minato has decent chakra levels, however that doesnt even compare to the massive amounts you need for SM.

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He got tired after redirecting the tbb. He fell & was sweating, both signs of exhaustion (when has minato even fallen from teleporting? he was feeling the burn).



Wrong, naruto without uzumaki blood cant use SM, fact.

you want to handicap naruto's Arm while your at it? Lol

 

[Draphsin]

you want to handicap naruto's Arm while your at it? Lol

Lol, I know this might look bad but in the beginning of this thread I told the OP not to compare kurama - sharingan. Its unreasonable as naruto is obviously stronger with his blood. Sasuke without his sharingan is useless & im merely reiterating the fact that naruto is no better when it comes to his bloodline =D

 

[Flawž]

Lol, I know this might look bad but in the beginning of this thread I told the OP not to compare kurama - sharingan. Its unreasonable as naruto is obviously stronger with his blood. Sasuke without his sharingan is useless & im merely reiterating the fact that naruto is no better when it comes to his bloodline =D

true,

But i don't get why these people keep handicapping Kurama/sharingan from naruto/sasuke.

I mean it's their power and they can use it.

Silly base Lol

 

[johnnyindigo]

He was attacked against his will, and the cursed seal kills 9/10 of it's victims, erodes their minds, and causes them pain. MS causes pain by mere use, not by overuse, and eventually causes blindness. It is also not optional. It awakens whether the user wants it or not and causes eventual blindness. Itachi's poke gave Sasuke a one time use of Amaterasu. It was his death that gave him MS.

I asked you to show me a scan, explicitly stating that Uzumaki's all have large reserves. I will not simply take your opinion that they do as fact. It takes powerful chakra to keep a Bijuu at bay, not large reserves. And anyone can be a Jinchuriki. whether they are successful or not depends on the quality of the seal and the potency of the host's chakra.



Like I said, Sage Mode requires large chakra to use. Also, the method that Naruto used to learn it, Shadow Clone spam, was only possible thanks to his large reserves, which come from Kurama. The nine tails was never a hindrance to learning it. He just prevented the frog from merging with Naruto, not preventing Naruto from learning the technique.



I'll concede on that.



So Naruto can maintain an indefinite sage mode? No. He would have been dead if Bee didn't take that first Bijuu Dama for him, he would have succumbed to hatred were it not for his mother, and the final Bijuu Dama would have wiped him out were it not for the fact that he was fighting within his mind and could manipulate the seal to save him at any time.



And without his handout Naruto wouldn't even graduate from the academy. Sasuke wouldn't need eyes to take him out.



Like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.

That was erm... a while before you responded Ill respond to the important things

1. Sorry but that's just very crazy of you to think that his chakara reserves are from the nine tails. If that was the case then he wouldn't have been able to tap into his chakra reserves all those times. So where did Nagato get his big chakra reserves from? Also in part 1 kyuubi was feeding from Naruto's chakra. Kakashi said in early part 2 that Naruto's regular chakra pool is 4x of his, and when influenced by Kurama 100x. That was in part 1 when Naruto was what like 11? Naruto at such a young age had 4x as much chakra than a jounin, almost kage level.
Chakra is in the naruto verse is said tht you need it to live (even rocklee has it he just can't use it) It's practically common sense-The Uzumaki are distant blood relatives of the Senju(descendants of the Sage's younger son who inherited the Sage's body and life force).They are known for longevity because they have huge chakra pools.Look at Nagato,Kushina and Karin.

Now wih tht being said uzimaki has strong life force


So yeah chakra is like the naruto version of life force so if an uzimaki has strong life force they have high chakra reserves
He has a 5 the Third Databook in terms of Stamina, which only covers Base Form.

That's not how Sage Mode work. You are supposed to have a large amount of chakra reserves without external sources. Naruto still has a large amount of chakra without the Kyuubi. Why is this?

Because Sage Chakra goes directly into a ninja's own reserves, not the Kyuubi's. Naruto has enough chakra to balance the intake of Nature chakra. Because if you take in more than your reserves can take, you will turn into stone. There is no confirmation that the Kyuubi helped him in any way. The only thing he did was preventing him from fusing with Pa and Ma.

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Initially, Naruto had very poor chakra control, in part due to how Kurama's chakra interfered with his own, though this was not much of a problem due to Naruto's immense reserves. Kurama was a hindrance for much of his life bro.
Chap 90. pg 4-8
3. With ma and pa naruto can maintain sage mode indefinitely yes.
4. You havent answered my question though. Do you believe CURRENT EMS Sasuke > BM Naruto?
5. The manners in which an individual gains the Mangekyō Sharingan are almost parallel to how an Uchiha awakens their regular Sharingan for the first time, since both need intense emotions to awaken them. Overuse of the mangekyou sharingan causes pain. Mangekyou sharingan drain HUGE amount of chakra (thats why the jutsus are so powerful). About after 2 jutsus users of Mangekyou sharingan are exhausted. Itachi was never seen with his eyes bleeding because he was not a fool like Sasuke, Itachi knew that using Mangekyou sharingan is dangerous, not only because it takes huge amount of chakra but because of the blindness.

 

[Honord Sage]

You need to tell Kishi so He can tell you to bend over grab your ankles as He shoves His shoe and Foot up your exhausted pipe and tells you go wright your own Manga and get it publish be successful before you can tack to Me.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Manga fact that you require huge amounts of chakra, jiraiya simply had a lot of chakra, but even then he couldnt fully master SM.

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Minato has decent chakra levels, however that doesnt even compare to the massive amounts you need for SM.

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He got tired after redirecting the tbb. He fell & was sweating, both signs of exhaustion (when has minato even fallen from teleporting? he was feeling the burn).



Wrong, naruto without uzumaki blood cant use SM, fact.

I get where you're coming from, however, Jiraya mastered sage mode, and he doesn't belong into any special clan. Naruto could probably at least work his way up to Jiraya's level of chakra. His sage mode wouldn't be what it is now, but it'd be as strong as Jiraya's. Also, Naruto wouldn't be training to control Kurama, and would instead, train in more sage arts. It was said that he only mastered the basic sage arts.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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I am not responsible for any other fan's comments. What am I, their keeper? Naruto fans are probably the worst of the lot, especially this Ramen guy who has made so many Sasuke hate threads that it's beyond the point of irritation. Just look at his points. More than half of them are made up rubbish, repeatedly corrected by me. Yet he ignores them, then why should I direct my corrections at someone else when the thread maker, has yet again, created a moronic analysis that shows his general mental capacity?



That is just your own assumption as Bijuu chakra usage is facilitated by something as simplistic as bond. Remember how he developed KCM? Yes, he did practice a bit but it was nothing like the training one would go through in base mode. You are just in denial here.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

The level of non-sense and Bull-Shitery is over 10,000 with this one. Come back again when Naruto develops something even remotely along the lines of Mokuton. Makes a Rasangan with a single hand in base mode and even in KCM and BM all the time. What a ridiculously lame fanboy.

I correct other Naruto fans if they're being biased. Don't believe me? Check my earlier comments in this thread. I correct people when they're using biased reasoning, even if I agree with the overall result. Why should you be any different? I dunno, maybe you're legit, it's just, if you pick only on Naruto fanboys, you come across as a buthurt fan. Not saying that you are anymore.

Maybee we're 2 sides of the same coin. I think that Sasuke and Itachi fanboys are the worst (not logical fans, I actually like them). At least Naruto fanbooys go into threads often using one liners like "Naruto is the soloking, or Naruto solos all."
Can't tell you how annoyed I get when fanboys say "amaterasu" in a thread.

 

[VolatileSoul]

you want to handicap naruto's Arm while your at it? Lol

Sounds like a good idea, since people have no qualms about taking away Sasuke's eyes.

1. Sorry but that's just very crazy of you to think that his chakara reserves are from the nine tails. If that was the case then he wouldn't have been able to tap into his chakra reserves all those times. So where did Nagato get his big chakra reserves from? Also in part 1 kyuubi was feeding from Naruto's chakra. Kakashi said in early part 2 that Naruto's regular chakra pool is 4x of his, and when influenced by Kurama 100x. That was in part 1 when Naruto was what like 11? Naruto at such a young age had 4x as much chakra than a jounin, almost kage level.
Chakra is in the naruto verse is said tht you need it to live (even rocklee has it he just can't use it) It's practically common sense-The Uzumaki are distant blood relatives of the Senju(descendants of the Sage's younger son who inherited the Sage's body and life force).They are known for longevity because they have huge chakra pools.Look at Nagato,Kushina and Karin.

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"When Minato sealed the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox into Naruto Uzumaki, he left an opening at the space where the two four symbols seals met, allowing the Nine-Tails' chakra to mix with Naruto's own." There you have it. Kurama's red chakra seeps in with Naruto's blue chakra, and increases it. Nagato got his chakra from the same place as every other person, by being a powerful ninja, as they tend to have large reserves due to training both mind and body. Nowhere does it even say his chakra reserves were due to being an Uzumaki, as even normal people are capable of having large reserves.

Now wih tht being said uzimaki has strong life force


So yeah chakra is like the naruto version of life force so if an uzimaki has strong life force they have high chakra reserves
He has a 5 the Third Databook in terms of Stamina, which only covers Base Form.

Not really. Life force and chakra are linked, but not the same. Same for stamina.

That's not how Sage Mode work. You are supposed to have a large amount of chakra reserves without external sources. Naruto still has a large amount of chakra without the Kyuubi. Why is this?

Because Sage Chakra goes directly into a ninja's own reserves, not the Kyuubi's. Naruto has enough chakra to balance the intake of Nature chakra. Because if you take in more than your reserves can take, you will turn into stone. There is no confirmation that the Kyuubi helped him in any way. The only thing he did was preventing him from fusing with Pa and Ma.

You're defending Naruto on a misconception. Like I said, Kurama's chakra has been mixing with Naruto's. Basically, trace amounts of Kurama's red chakra seeped in and mixed with Naruto's blue chakra, augmenting it over time. I'm not referring to Kurama's separate chakra.

Initially, Naruto had very poor chakra control, in part due to how Kurama's chakra interfered with his own, though this was not much of a problem due to Naruto's immense reserves. Kurama was a hindrance for much of his life bro.Chap 90. pg 4-8

I see. So I was right. Kurama is the root of Naruto's chakra. Why did you prove my point? But thanks anyway. Kurama certainly made his chakra difficult to control, but he also gave Naruto all that potential. More of a help that it was a hindrance. Current Naruto is enough proof for that.

3. With ma and pa naruto can maintain sage mode indefinitely yes.

Not at that point he couldn't, nor it that Naruto maintaining sage mode on his own.

4. You havent answered my question though. Do you believe CURRENT EMS Sasuke > BM Naruto?

I think you'll find that I'm not one of the people who are obsessed with whether or not one character can beat another. I see more to Sasuke than whether or not he can defeat Naruto, and I'm pretty content since he beat him 3 times already, but I'll humor you. I don't know whether or not he can defeat current Naruto. I do know that he can hold his own, but I can't say one way or another until he shows more feats.

5. The manners in which an individual gains the Mangekyō Sharingan are almost parallel to how an Uchiha awakens their regular Sharingan for the first time, since both need intense emotions to awaken them. Overuse of the mangekyou sharingan causes pain. Mangekyou sharingan drain HUGE amount of chakra (thats why the jutsus are so powerful). About after 2 jutsus users of Mangekyou sharingan are exhausted. Itachi was never seen with his eyes bleeding because he was not a fool like Sasuke, Itachi knew that using Mangekyou sharingan is dangerous, not only because it takes huge amount of chakra but because of the blindness.

One use of Amaterasu causes pain. One use of Tsukuyomi causes pain. That is not overuse, that is a side effect of the jutsu. Also, the time exhaustion sets in is different for each user. Itachi gets exhausted after 3 uses, but it is different for Sasuke. His haters bashing him and calling him a spammer should suffice as the evidence for this little claim of mine. And what is with the fool comment? If you saw the Itachi vs Sasuke fight and the Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto fight, each time he uses Amaterasu his eyes bleed. Itachi knew it was dangerous but used it in all of his fights, minus the flashback Orochimaru fight. Also, the blindness is inevitable. The eyesight will deteriorate from the moment MS is activated, whether or not MS techniques are used. MS techniques simply speed up the inevitable. I don't know what any of this has to do with the thread though.