debate thread. EMS Sasuke >>> BM Naruto

[Trollasaur]

Did not read.

 

[BasedRikudo]

Most of these counterarugments are more like "i like sasuke and although he most likely cant counter this hes my favorite character so he does"

 

[Bieber]

1. It takes too much time to form this bijju dama. So sasuke can use amaterasu on it and disturb the chakra balance before its formed.
2. Sasuke can fly so speed on ground is irrelevant here.
3. Susano tanks that tail flip easily. Also, sasuke can fly so , this irrelevant.
4. Bee helped him in bijju dama spam, he can't do it alone.

No, amaterasu won't disturb it. Kurama is made of chakra and the bijuudama is made of chakra. Amaterasu doesn't burn chakra.
That's Naruto deflecting five bijuudamas and Sasuke can't do that by flying.
His hawk isn't even close to the size of Kurama so, before it takes off he could easily knock it down.
Uhm no.. Bee fired four and Naruto did five.

 

[johnnyindigo]

1. It takes too much time to form this bijju dama. So sasuke can use amaterasu on it and disturb the chakra balance before its formed.
2. Sasuke can fly so speed on ground is irrelevant here.
3. Susano tanks that tail flip easily. Also, sasuke can fly so , this irrelevant.
4. Bee helped him in bijju dama spam, he can't do it alone.

Thank you for making me laugh

 

[Flawž]

good try but no.

Currently, BM > EMS.

 

[Troyg39]

I think you have the wrong idea about KCM speed. Naruto isn't always moving at top notch speed when he is fighting in KCM. When Kakashi used kamui on him, he wasn't moving as fast as when he dodged Raikage's attack. In fact during the exchange with Raikage, you saw that he wasn't always moving at the same speed. So if Naruto uses the blitz speed that he used to dodge Raikage's attack, chances are even if an EMS user can see it coming, their bodies wont be able to do anything about it. It will be a Lee vs Sasuke situation all over again.

As far as SM, Naruto can always use clones like he did against pein to gather the chakra. Even better, we now know that Kurama can both give chakra to Naruto and gather nature chakra. So he no longer needs to remain still in order to enter SM, meaning he can pressure Sasuke with an all out assault while Kurama does the nature chakra gathering for him.

For the TBB argument, as multiple people showed, it doesn't take that long to do. Naruto spammed it at one point and shot 3 or 4 in succession. And no Bee didn't help him do this. Bee also shot 3 or 4 right behind one another, but the 3 or 4 Naruto shot were his own, thus showing he has since learned to use TBB more quickly. Atleast a moderate sized one. It still seems to take him awhile to shoot a massive TBB.

The only arguement that really gives me any trouble is the flying argument. Realistically if Sasuke flys way up in the sky nothing can really hit him except for a well aimed TBB. Which could still work since it does have a blast radius. But that depends on how fast the hawk can fly out of the blast range. Plus if Sasuke ends up flying too high, he'll lose sight of Naruto as well. His sharingan is good, but it doesn't give you the distant view that the Byakugan gives you. So there will be a limit as to how high Sasuke can fly. He'll eventually have to come closer in order to see Naruto and hit him. But that will put him right in range for a TBB barrage which combined with ofcorse comes with a much bigger blast radius.

Susanoo would be his only hope. And for that reason I would say they are equal only because I don't know for sure if Naruto can tank it. But there isn't anything that Sasuke has that can hurt Naruto either

 

[allteam7]

Sasuke is a great ninja one of the best but naruto is much more powerfull then him and why do you think susanoo can tank all if narutos jutsu ? freaking sakura could break the susanoo with her tsunade-like strength with some teamwork and accurate/coordinated attacks ..... it would take a lot of punches though ....

 

[Frikid]

good try but no.
Currently, BM > EMS.

you should understand one thing.

No arguments = fail post.

No one has put up any worthy argument.

people claim naruto to be better than sasuke but fail to put up a counter argument, it means there logic which makes them believe so, is flawed.

@those who say , amaterasu can't burn chakra --- > :sy:

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Amaterasu burns everything, even fire itself.

Bijju dama is high concentrated chakra into a physical form, and not the usual chakra we generally talk about.

 

[Flawž]

you should understand one thing.

No arguments = fail post.

No one has put up any worthy argument.

people claim naruto to be better than sasuke but fail to put up a counter argument, it means there logic which makes them believe so, is flawed.

@those who say , amaterasu can't burn chakra --- > :sy:

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Amaterasu burns everything, even fire itself.

Bijju dama is high concentrated chakra into a physical form, and not the usual chakra we generally talk about.

I rather not debate the obvious.

Currently, BM>EMS.

 

[Frikid]

I think you have the wrong idea about KCM speed. Naruto isn't always moving at top notch speed when he is fighting in KCM. When Kakashi used kamui on him, he wasn't moving as fast as when he dodged Raikage's attack. In fact during the exchange with Raikage, you saw that he wasn't always moving at the same speed. So if Naruto uses the blitz speed that he used to dodge Raikage's attack, chances are even if an EMS user can see it coming, their bodies wont be able to do anything about it. It will be a Lee vs Sasuke situation all over again.

Thats where you are wrong. If sasuke can see it coming, he can use amaterasu .
He can also use amaterasu to restrict naruto to come near him.

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Also, Sasuke would be most likely be in air before naruto even do something, just like what deidara did against sasuke.

As far as SM, Naruto can always use clones like he did against pein to gather the chakra. Even better, we now know that Kurama can both give chakra to Naruto and gather nature chakra. So he no longer needs to remain still in order to enter SM, meaning he can pressure Sasuke with an all out assault while Kurama does the nature chakra gathering for him.

It's an assumption until it happens in manga. Kyuubi cannot give naruto SM , he can only give him BM .
SM can only be gained by toads fusing with naruto for now. Even that also never happen in manga.

Also, do kyuubi know SM ??

For the TBB argument, as multiple people showed, it doesn't take that long to do. Naruto spammed it at one point and shot 3 or 4 in succession. And no Bee didn't help him do this. Bee also shot 3 or 4 right behind one another, but the 3 or 4 Naruto shot were his own, thus showing he has since learned to use TBB more quickly. Atleast a moderate sized one. It still seems to take him awhile to shoot a massive TBB.

Those were weak TBBs . For a powerful TBB , it takes time to make.

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Also, amaterasu is alot faster than TBB formation. It can also reach its target almost instantly unlike naruto's TBB so even if naruto, makes a TBB, it will blast while is in the air.

The only arguement that really gives me any trouble is the flying argument. Realistically if Sasuke flys way up in the sky nothing can really hit him except for a well aimed TBB. Which could still work since it does have a blast radius. But that depends on how fast the hawk can fly out of the blast range. Plus if Sasuke ends up flying too high, he'll lose sight of Naruto as well. His sharingan is good, but it doesn't give you the distant view that the Byakugan gives you. So there will be a limit as to how high Sasuke can fly. He'll eventually have to come closer in order to see Naruto and hit him. But that will put him right in range for a TBB barrage which combined with ofcorse comes with a much bigger blast radius.

Susanoo would be his only hope. And for that reason I would say they are equal only because I don't know for sure if Naruto can tank it. But there isn't anything that Sasuke has that can hurt Naruto either

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Madara and obito were on top of the juubi and were really far away from the alliance, still they could seem.

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I rather not debate the obvious.

Currently, BM>EMS.

What are you doing in a debate thread if you don't want to debate?

 

[Flawž]

What are you doing in a debate thread if you don't want to debate?

I wanted to see your arguments and how foolish people can be to believe in such a statement currently in the manga.

 

[AzR]

if sasuke gets PS... then we talk..
*i like something big, fight one another.. big purple blackish PS vs yellowish white BM*.. now thats a fight.. heh

 

[Troyg39]

Thats where you are wrong. If sasuke can see it coming, he can use amaterasu .
He can also use amaterasu to restrict naruto to come near him.

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Also, Sasuke would be most likely be in air before naruto even do something, just like what deidara did against sasuke.

If amaterasu was dodged by A, Naruto moving at blitz speed would also avoid it. So not only is he faster than Amaterasu, but Amaterasu has been shown to appear before the opponent and converge on them. It hasn't been shown to travel. So if Naruto is coming at him, the point at which Sasuke sees him and focuses his amaterasu on, Naruto will have already moved past that point, which would leave Sasuke a sitting duck.

Also if Sasuke does that Amaterasu ring thing, the only way out he'll have is up, which again, a TBB spam just above the top off the amaterasu ring would not only keep him within that ring, but the blast radius would harm him. Naruto could even up the ante by using clones to blitz and protect him while he prepares a massive TBB for more damage due to blast radius. With clones, Naruto can blitz and prepare TBB at the same time. Sasuke can't use amaterasu and summon a hawk at the same time.

Even without all this, Naruto is blitzing him with speed faster than Raikage. He'd be better suited trying to activate Susanoo instead of trying to amaterasu him. In the scan you provided, there is clearly room for more than one person inside Amaterasu ring, and the reason being is because Sasuke can't allow himself to get too close to the flames because they will burn him too. Naruto is faster than Amaterasu, so Naruto would end up within the ring before it would be able to keep him out.

It's an assumption until it happens in manga. Kyuubi cannot give naruto SM , he can only give him BM .
SM can only be gained by toads fusing with naruto for now. Even that also never happen in manga.

If that's the card you feel the need to play then ok we can throw out that logic.

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Madara and obito were on top of the juubi and were really far away from the alliance, still they could seem.

Like you said, if it didn't happen in the manga it's only an assumption. That was Madara and Obito, not Sasuke. So you according to your own rules you can't use that arguement. Also, Madara being able to see far away does not give the distance that a byakugan would give. Seeing far away can mean different things to different people.

And as far as Obito and Madara, we don't know if they actually "saw" anything. It could've been the juubi who was able to see the headquarters. It was the one that attacked after all. They could've commanded it to "find and hit the headquarters". We know that Obito had intel on everything about the shinobi alliance including the location of various spots such as where they were keeping the futile lords. He most likely knew the wherabouts to headquarters as well. A simple understanding of positioning would've given him the ability to know where it was without seeing it. Either way there's no proof either of them saw anything so that is an assumption as well

 

[Bieber]

you should understand one thing.

No arguments = fail post.

No one has put up any worthy argument.

people claim naruto to be better than sasuke but fail to put up a counter argument, it means there logic which makes them believe so, is flawed.

@those who say , amaterasu can't burn chakra --- > :sy:

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Amaterasu burns everything, even fire itself.

Bijju dama is high concentrated chakra into a physical form, and not the usual chakra we generally talk about.

No it doesn't burn chakra. It didn't burn Gaara's charka-infused sand and also failed to burn through Kankuro's chakra threads. Even if amaterasu happens to be able to burn a bijuudama it won't burn it completely before Naruto/Kurama fires it.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Has anything been proven? or is it all opinion? Like Bijuu Dama>Susanoo? Rasengan>Chidori? BM>EMS? All I'm asking is where did kishi state these? Please scan or show me a kishi interview of him saying BM Naruto>EMS. If kishi says it then its true,however if kishi didnt state non of this your opinions are irrelevant...

 

[Draphsin]

@those who say , amaterasu can't burn chakra --- > :sy:

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Amaterasu burns everything, even fire itself.

Bijju dama is high concentrated chakra into a physical form, and not the usual chakra we generally talk about.

EMS sasuke is strong, but BM naruto is stronger. Your post concerning amaterasu is hyperbole by kishi.

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Amaterasu cant burn chakra, gaara's sand was imbued with chakra & ama did nothing to it. Naruto can easily dispell amaterasu with his BM cloak like so:

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Naruto can dispell katon easily, ama is no different as it cant burn chakra

 

[Victorelder2k13]

I think some of you guys forgot one thing naruto can do and that's clones he can make BM and KCM and SM clones that are just and can attack sasuke at the same time while he prepares for his massive TBB

 

[Sasuke082594]

Kakashi has stated that wind>lightning while helping Naruto with his second chakra nature. He also stated at the same timeframe that Naruto's Rasengan(during that time) was more effective than chidori. That's a manga fact. Amaterasu burning chakra is not a manga fact, but it also cant be used in this argument anymore. Even if he put the TBB on fire that's like putting the user in danger if it is released. It's common sense that Amaterasu can't burn chakra unless it's 100% complete mass. Therefore, Amaterasu hurting Naruto is out of the question. Sasuke's Susano'o pales to Naruto cloaks. Probably lv2 at best with armor and a weapon. That's nothing really.

 

[HadouKage]

And this thread is why I have you blocked now :|

 

[BlueStarSaber]

We just have to wait and see when they fight.