Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

[King Of Crows]

could kabuto spam shadow clones ?

no

What does shadow clones have to do with sage mode ? :| Kabuto could stay in SM continuously, Naruto could not. Other than that, I do not see why you are referring to shadow clones :yayy: ! <(-.-<)

 

[Draphsin]

actually you need to read the term fully fraud.
you only taking half of the meaning simply just to satisfy yourself that you are good debater but you are doing nothing but
denying and not listening to other
:bye:

Excuse me? Thats the whole reason why I gave you the damn link, lol. The second half is not relevant as Kisame is still cheating. Whether its trasitive or not makes no damn difference because it still results in the same thing. Kisame cheated death, naruto cheated death, sasuke cheated oro.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Sage Mode Naruto

 

[YellowFang]

Naruto:
Born in Uzumaki clan...
- Huge Life span
- Huge Chakra reserves
- Most compatible with Bijuus(perfect option for jinchuriki)
Other traits...
Huge stamina
High determination and high willpower
High mental and physical resilience (fundamental for SM)

Sasuke:
Born in Uchiha clan...
- Inborn combat talent
- High {good-quality} chakra reserves
- Sharingan (further modified to MS & EMS)
Other traits...
High mental resilience (fundamental for anti-genjutsu)
High chakra reserves


Both are born with special qualities... Thus, their abilities shouldn't be deducted...

But, being a bijuu host is not a gift but a dis-advantage... and w/o it Naruto could be much better (technically and plot-wise) but Naruto using his inborn ability to perfectly co-op with Bijuu tames the beast and becomes friends with it...

Now, that's Naruto's advantage and should never be over-looked... It's what Naruto accomplished, it's not gifted...


On the other hand... Sasuke has everything for granted, except for the basic abilities he perfected under Orochimaru...

Coming to the main topic:

If we were to remove equivalent abilities from both characters, lets remove the abilities they were born with...

Sasuke loses everything whereas Naruto retains the ability to become a Sage...
Hence, Naruto outclassing Sasuke by far...

That's just me... and don't try to convince me to opposite coz I know how I interpret the manga and what I get from it...

 

[johnnyindigo]

Seriously, there should be no complaining of borrowed powers, especially from Sasuke fans.
Because stripping everything from both Naruto and Sasuke , Naruto wins.

 

[Draphsin]

Seriously, there should be no complaining of borrowed powers, especially from Sasuke fans.
Because stripping everything from both Naruto and Sasuke , Naruto wins.

Yeah, because sasuke is blind.....:|

 

[timozo]

lol hi im new here

 

[Naruto KM V2]

lol hi im new here

welcome the NB. bro

 

[naruttebayo]

What does shadow clones have to do with sage mode ? :| Kabuto could stay in SM continuously, Naruto could not. Other than that, I do not see why you are referring to shadow clones :yayy: ! <(-.-<)

yes he would he can fuse with ma & pa :yayy:

 

[johnnyindigo]

Yeah, because sasuke is blind.....:|

Meaning there is no dispute needed.
Given powers are prevalent in many mangas...
It would completely change the top 10 list if we started taking away KKG's/"borrowed" powers
The whole idea of borrowed powerups is stupid, and one should not think of handicapping another character

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

sage mode is no joke
nagato? may be
but itachi? i remember him getting saved by sasuke against kabuto who had sage mode.

Dragons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toads
Muki Tensei/White Rage/Demonic Flute/multiple KKGs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FRS/rasengan/toad summons

 

[King Of Crows]

yes he would he can fuse with ma & pa :yayy:

I thought are little discussion was about Naruto with Kurama :wesobi:
Regardless, Kabuto was scarier <(-.-<) That snake loving lemon had some pretty strong senjutsu.

 

[DeDoll]

Naruto:
Born in Uzumaki clan...
- Huge Life span
- Huge Chakra reserves
- Most compatible with Bijuus(perfect option for jinchuriki)
Other traits...
Huge stamina
High determination and high willpower
High mental and physical resilience (fundamental for SM)

Sasuke:
Born in Uchiha clan...
- Inborn combat talent
- High {good-quality} chakra reserves
- Sharingan (further modified to MS & EMS)
Other traits...
High mental resilience (fundamental for anti-genjutsu)
High chakra reserves


Both are born with special qualities... Thus, their abilities shouldn't be deducted...

But, being a bijuu host is not a gift but a dis-advantage... and w/o it Naruto could be much better (technically and plot-wise) but Naruto using his inborn ability to perfectly co-op with Bijuu tames the beast and becomes friends with it...

Now, that's Naruto's advantage and should never be over-looked... It's what Naruto accomplished, it's not gifted...


On the other hand... Sasuke has everything for granted, except for the basic abilities he perfected under Orochimaru...

Coming to the main topic:

If we were to remove equivalent abilities from both characters, lets remove the abilities they were born with...

Sasuke loses everything whereas Naruto retains the ability to become a Sage...
Hence, Naruto outclassing Sasuke by far...

That's just me... and don't try to convince me to opposite coz I know how I interpret the manga and what I get from it...

You forgot naruto has low intelect and Sasuke have hight intelect. Can any1 disagree. He need much practise to do simple clone jutsu which Sasuke is capable easy.

My point is Naruto without tons of chankra = Nothing.
Sasuke win vs Naruto ( without inborn ability )


Naruto is nothing without hard work... On other hand Sasuke is talented kid, he easy learn new jutsu and ect.

 

[naruttebayo]

Dragons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toads
Muki Tensei/White Rage/Demonic Flute/multiple KKGs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FRS/rasengan/toad summons

frog song ; kawasanagi
Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant
frog kata
Sage Art: Big Ball Rasengan
Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiralling Serial Spheres
Sage Art: Ultra-Big Ball RasenganSage Mode
Sage Art: Fire Release Stream
Sage Art: Wind Release Stream
Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres

I thought are little discussion was about Naruto with Kurama :wesobi:
Regardless, Kabuto was scarier <(-.-<) That snake loving lemon had some pretty strong senjutsu.

kabuto was only scary to you, cause you were routing for itachi, and scared.
i wasn't impressed by him
and i thought we are talking about naruto without kurama

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You forgot naruto has low intelect and Sasuke have hight intelect. Can any1 disagree. He need much practise to do simple clone jutsu which Sasuke is capable easy.

My point is Naruto without tons of chankra = Nothing.
Sasuke win vs Naruto ( without inborn ability )

Here's why I disagree. Having Kurama inside Naruto disrupted his chakra. That means it was more difficult for him to use ninjutsu. When there's an emergency, this doesn't seem to affect him as seen in the first chapter, when he mastered the forbidden version of shadow clones just by practicing for a short period of time. We saw how he pwned Mizuki, but we didn't see him use shadow clones to that extent until Garra.


Also, Naruto's a genius in inventing ninjutsu and combat. He's fooled countless jonin level ninja. He's also invented, and improved an S ranked ninjutsu. When he trained to use KCM, he invented planetary ransengan. It could have been only a couple of days at most when he got KCM.

 

[DeDoll]

Here's why I disagree. Having Kurama inside Naruto disrupted his chakra. That means it was more difficult for him to use ninjutsu. When there's an emergency, this doesn't seem to affect him as seen in the first chapter, when he mastered the forbidden version of shadow clones just by practicing for a short period of time. We saw how he pwned Mizuki, but we didn't see him use shadow clones to that extent until Garra.


Also, Naruto's a genius in inventing ninjutsu and combat. He's fooled countless jonin level ninja. He's also invented, and improved an S ranked ninjutsu. When he trained to use KCM, he invented planetary ransengan. It could have been only a couple of days at most when he got KCM.

Because he had Tons of chakra he cound do all this stuff.... 1000 of clones in same time. Ninetail disturb ?
Where you read that ninetail disturb his chakra ? If you dont post Now, its nuff talks

 

[King Of Crows]

kabuto was only scary to you, cause you were routing for itachi, and scared.
i wasn't impressed by him
and i thought we are talking about naruto without kurama

rooting*

I honestly don't choose a side when it comes to the manga, I just care about what happens. Itachi is my favourite, of course, but that isn't solely derived from his combat abilities. I was more interested in seeing Kabuto's arsenal than anything else :yayy: !!

 

[Osagyefo]

Because he had Tons of chakra he cound do all this stuff.... 1000 of clones in same time. Ninetail disturb ?
Where you read that ninetail disturb his chakra ? If you dont post Now, its nuff talks

Man, do you even read the manga?

 

[naruttebayo]

rooting*

I honestly don't choose a side when it comes to the manga, I just care about what happens. Itachi is my favourite, of course, but that isn't solely derived from his combat abilities. I was more interested in seeing Kabuto's arsenal than anything else :yayy: !!

you are not being honest

 

[DeDoll]

Man, do you even read the manga?

I read manga and where every1 think that Naruto is fool (not fool, but not smart enaught) , i dont know which manga you read...