[Debate] TheTailedSage VS Thundecles

[TheTailedSage]

Frankly I find your ruling to be odd. He didn't answer my second response and had no way of explaining how Danzo was getting that brace off, or how he was going to take both Hiruzen and Enma. Finally I fail to see how wind techs would overcome fire. Also his wind techs against the Susanno were amped by Baku's suction.

If baku has hiruzen and enma forced to nto move due to him sucking them in. Danzo has the opening to strike from behind and both power up his jutsu and knock them into bakus mouth, The brace doesnt take that long to come off as zexion said, plus his hand seals are fast enough with the seal on so if he was to cast a jutsu with a big enough radius it gives him time to release the seal

 

[Zexion~]

Half your argument was using imaginary S-Rank katon that he has never shown too have ... :| Please dont argue the ruling

 

[Thundercles]

If baku has hiruzen and enma forced to nto move due to him sucking them in. Danzo has the opening to strike from behind and both power up his jutsu and knock them into bakus mouth, The brace doesnt take that long to come off as zexion said, plus his hand seals are fast enough with the seal on so if he was to cast a jutsu with a big enough radius it gives him time to release the seal

If this was true, he wouldn't have needed to sick Torune and Fuu on Tobi to give him time. Like, I said, 1 fire attack regardless of rank and Baku is finished.

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[Thundercles]

Half your argument was using imaginary S-Rank katon that he has never shown too have ... :| Please dont argue the ruling

Not really arguing, just wished there was more of an explanation. Also, I never stated him using S-rank Katon, just that he could.

 

[RicardoA]

I reread it twice and both of you were good, however, i had to choose a winner.
And the winner iiiiisss:

Spoiler

Thundercles

Positive Aspects (TheTailedSage):
- Convinced me that most of Danzo's Fuuton are able to match Hiruzen's Katon, if not overpower him.
- Proved that Danzo even with his sealing braces on his a capable opponent.

Downsides (TheTailedSage):
- Used wrong scans about Danzo's speed (he used Izanagi at least in the first scan as he was shown to be smashed).
- The seal in his arm was shown to take some time to release, but your persisted with the idea that they don't and even used Izanagi in your argument when he wouldn't be able to use it.

Positive aspects (Thundercles):
- Proved well that Hiruzen's taijutsu will give him superiority in CQC and maybe give him the victory.
- Mentioned the shadow clones, which can also overwhelm, help defending or even assist the real Hiruzen in overpowering Danzo.

Downsides (Thundercles):
- Made use of non canon material (Gifs. There was no taijutsu before Enma being summoned).
- Used some fanfiction Lol (attributing jutsus to Hiruzen, even Genjutsu).

Thundercles, i don't think you were really the underdog like Zexion said because the restrictions made this match up fair and at the same time unfair. The restrictions should have included Danzo starting without his sealing brace because indeed he needed Fu and Torune to act as a diversion in order to have time, they require prep.
Having said this, Danzo couldn't have access to Izanagi and TheTailedSage, that involved part of your argument, but i think Thundercles did very well and for me he won.
Both were good nonetheless =D

 

[Thundercles]

I reread it twice and both of you were good, however, i had to choose a winner.
And the winner iiiiisss:

Spoiler

Thundercles

Positive Aspects (TheTailedSage):
- Convinced me that most of Danzo's Fuuton are able to match Hiruzen's Katon, if not overpower him.
- Proved that Danzo even with his sealing braces on his a capable opponent.

Downsides (TheTailedSage):
- Used wrong scans about Danzo's speed (he used Izanagi at least in the first scan as he was shown to be smashed).
- The seal in his arm was shown to take some time to release, but your persisted with the idea that they don't and even used Izanagi in your argument when he wouldn't be able to use it.

Positive aspects (Thundercles):
- Proved well that Hiruzen's taijutsu will give him superiority in CQC and maybe give him the victory.
- Mentioned the shadow clones, which can also overwhelm, help defending or even assist the real Hiruzen in overpowering Danzo.

Downsides (Thundercles):
- Made use of non canon material (Gifs. There was no taijutsu before Enma being summoned).
- Used some fanfiction Lol (attributing jutsus to Hiruzen, even Genjutsu).

Thundercles, i don't think you were really the underdog like Zexion said because the restrictions made this match up fair and at the same time unfair. The restrictions should have included Danzo starting without his sealing brace because indeed he needed Fu and Torune to act as a diversion in order to have time, they require prep.
Having said this, Danzo couldn't have access to Izanagi and TheTailedSage, that involved part of your argument, but i think Thundercles did very well and for me he won.
Both were good nonetheless =D

Thanks. I did make a mistake with the Gifs I would like to stipulate my attributing some jutsu to Hiruzen weren't nearly outlandish and were well within reason for him to perform. Thank you for the opinion on the matter, though
I also played a lot of my argument on Danzo's lack of prep time.

 

[TheTailedSage]

I reread it twice and both of you were good, however, i had to choose a winner.
And the winner iiiiisss:

Spoiler

Thundercles

Positive Aspects (TheTailedSage):
- Convinced me that most of Danzo's Fuuton are able to match Hiruzen's Katon, if not overpower him.
- Proved that Danzo even with his sealing braces on his a capable opponent.

Downsides (TheTailedSage):
- Used wrong scans about Danzo's speed (he used Izanagi at least in the first scan as he was shown to be smashed).
- The seal in his arm was shown to take some time to release, but your persisted with the idea that they don't and even used Izanagi in your argument when he wouldn't be able to use it.

Positive aspects (Thundercles):
- Proved well that Hiruzen's taijutsu will give him superiority in CQC and maybe give him the victory.
- Mentioned the shadow clones, which can also overwhelm, help defending or even assist the real Hiruzen in overpowering Danzo.

Downsides (Thundercles):
- Made use of non canon material (Gifs. There was no taijutsu before Enma being summoned).
- Used some fanfiction Lol (attributing jutsus to Hiruzen, even Genjutsu).

Thundercles, i don't think you were really the underdog like Zexion said because the restrictions made this match up fair and at the same time unfair. The restrictions should have included Danzo starting without his sealing brace because indeed he needed Fu and Torune to act as a diversion in order to have time, they require prep.
Having said this, Danzo couldn't have access to Izanagi and TheTailedSage, that involved part of your argument, but i think Thundercles did very well and for me he won.
Both were good nonetheless =D

Thank you for pointing out my downfalls. I will be make sure to not repeat this mistake in future debates

 

[Thundercles]

Thank you for pointing out my downfalls. I will be make sure to not repeat this mistake in future debates

You didn't make that many. You did a good job.

 

[TheTailedSage]

You didn't make that many. You did a good job.

Ditto. Hope do debate again soon though

 

[Zexion~]

Soo who's the last judge ?

 

[TheTailedSage]

Soo who's the last judge ?

It was supposed to be that inferno guy but hes gone and done a slug princess tsunade/Houdini and dissapeared :s. i would easily go to get another judge

 

[Zexion~]

please do im interested to see who wins

 

[Thundercles]

Ditto. Hope do debate again soon though

I'm up for another. I'll even let you keep Danzo w/ KA... With a stipulatio, of course.

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

SORRY EVERYONE

:NO: i will not be able to judge the debate -- Got parental controlled off NB :NO:

will not be cuming here anymore

:bye: miss ya all :bye:​

 

[Icelerate]

Okay I'll judge. The OP made a mistake in not specifying whether Danzo starts with his brass arm or not. He also didn't set a location although that is kind of irrelevant in me judging.

Anyway because of this, it wasn't clear whether Danzo starting off without that metal on his arms constituted as prep time or not. For this reason, I'd have to give it to Thundercles since TheTailedSage failed to counter this particular point. Also, it seemed like TheTailedSage was using scans where Danzo disappeared after "avoiding" an attack as speed feats when in reality he disappeared and reappeared again due to izanagi.

I still have a few criticisms of Thundercles though which include his usage of taijutsu feats from the Anime which is considered not cannon. TheTailedSage didn't call upon Thundercles' usage so I'm not going to degrade Thundercles in this regard.

 

[Thundercles]

Okay I'll judge. The OP made a mistake in not specifying whether Danzo starts with his brass arm or not. He also didn't set a location although that is kind of irrelevant in me judging.

Anyway because of this, it wasn't clear whether Danzo starting off without that metal on his arms constituted as prep time or not. For this reason, I'd have to give it to Thundercles since TheTailedSage failed to counter this particular point. Also, it seemed like TheTailedSage was using scans where Danzo disappeared after "avoiding" an attack as speed feats when in reality he disappeared and reappeared again due to izanagi.

I still have a few criticisms of Thundercles though which include his usage of taijutsu feats from the Anime which is considered not cannon. TheTailedSage didn't call upon Thundercles' usage so I'm not going to degrade Thundercles in this regard.

Well, thanks for your input. I put the GIFs for more of a visual.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Well, thanks for your input. I put the GIFs for more of a visual.

WELL...looks like i gotta debate you again huh