[Discussion] Shikkotsu Forrest (Hashirama's Sage mode)

[dvmaz]

Now, it has been stated that the only 3 places to learn Sage Mode are Mount Myoboku (Land of the toads), Ryuchi Cave (Land of the white snake) and Shikkotsu Forrest.

People assume that Shikkotsu Forrest is the land of the slugs even though this hypothesis has not been proven in the Manga and Kishimoto hasn't given any indication of such a possibilty. Based on these assumptions, most Naruto fans concluded that the third type of Sage mode is Slug Sage mode.

The question is whether Hashirama learnt Sage mode from Shikkotsu Forrest.

There are three types of Sage mode that have been shown:
Toad Sage mode

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Dragon (Snake) Sage mode

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Hashirama's Sage mode

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Given the techniques that Hashirama has used while in Sage Mode include:

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It is possible that Hashirama learned Senjutsu from Shikkotsu forrest (It could be Slug Sage Mode) but because of his copious amount of chakra he was able to master it to a very high degree and it enhanced his Kekkei Genkai considerably.

Now coming to the Tsunade and Sakura situation. I believe that if the Slug Sage Theory is true, the reason that Tsunade can not use Sage mode is because she doesn't have enough chakra and thats why she formed the Yin Seal but it probably wasn't enough.

Sakura is probably in the same boat as Tsunade but because she doesn't use her White Strength Seal to stay young she might be capable of entering Sage Mode. Bear in mind I am assuming the Slug Sage Mode is a possibilty.

Personally I dont believe that Shikkotsu Forrest is the land of the Slugs but rather the land of a greater species that Hashirama trained with. So I am basically saying that Hashirama's Sage Mode is not Slug related but rather some other species greater than the Toad and Snake.

What could that species be?

 

[Uzamaki Arlyss]

Monkey/Ape Sage Art?!!

 

[AburameShino]

Dude, I was going to post a thread about this earlier!

I think Hashirama may have learned sage mode from the trees themselves? Probably not (but maybe I guess) from living, talking trees; but more likely just from perceiving and studying the forest.

I hadn't thought of the possibility that he learned it from slugs though, that's actually a pretty fascinating idea!

 

[Hypemaster]

He learnt sage mode from inhaling nature's grass

 

[FemmeFatale]

Maybe he just calls it a sage art and the natural energy he took in greatly enhanced her abilities seeing as how his mokuton is basically nature energy itself.

 

[Chīkara]

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How about Monkey sage mode ??

Enma is The most underrated summoning..
maybe its some sage mode thing ?

 

[Draxus]

I think it's some sort of deity related sage mode. His markings remind me of those seen on kabuki dancers that portray gods.

I think his KG was learned in the Skikkatsu Forest as well, that's why he's the only known Mukaton user.

 

[dvmaz]

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How about Monkey sage mode ??

Enma is The most underrated summoning..
maybe its some sage mode thing ?

Monkey/Ape is a possibility but does Hashi have ape like features when he enters Sage mode? Naruto has toad eyes while Kabuto has snake eyes and scales.

 

[dvmaz]

I think it's some sort of deity related sage mode. His markings remind me of those seen on kabuki dancers that portray gods.

I think his KG was learned in the Skikkatsu Forest as well, that's why he's the only known Mukaton user.

Certainly a valid possibility. The name Shikkotsu Forrest its self suggests that it could be a place related to the use of Mokuton.

 

[Vallerie]

Dude, I was going to post a thread about this earlier!

I think Hashirama may have learned sage mode from the trees themselves? Probably not (but maybe I guess) from living, talking trees; but more likely just from perceiving and studying the forest.

I hadn't thought of the possibility that he learned it from slugs though, that's actually a pretty fascinating idea!

Living talking trees? Isnt this describing an ent from Lord of the rings?

 

[Aaroninja]

I like your theory. I think Hashirama is the third sage mode, be it slug or another. I like the above thought that its monkey sage mode (although something like this is far more appropriate for Hiruzen).

If Tsunade doesn't have Sage Mode, it is unlikely to be from lack of chakra. Due to her Senju roots, she is likely to have the largest natural chakra pool of everyone alive, including Naruto (because we arent looking at Kurama's chakra).

 

[vasu 32]

sir,u r totally right.except that it really is slug sage mode.
the summonings he used takes great amount of chakra that's why he entered sage mode which enhances users every aspect.
kishimoto took the concept of toad,snake and slug from ancient japanese folk tale.

 

[Ziba27]

I think both he's Wood release and sage mode have the same root (so to speak), remember toad oil?

It was key to learning sage mode, maybe Hashi was bonded with some plant which allowed him to perceive natural energy and inadvertently made him a human tree.

I imagine the beings who taught him this are/were tree beings much like zetsu (sentient plantlife) and this explains why Hashi doesn't have summons but rather constructs.

 

[Meowazziel]

I believe it is slug sage mode.

Check this thread.
Slug Sage Mode.

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[Ziba27]

Living talking trees? Isnt this describing an ent from Lord of the rings?

...and WarCraft and Dungeons&Dragons... Wait isn't Zetsu a living talking tree?

 

[thegame]

Uhm, this is quite obvious since we saw Hashirama using sage mode, and since Kabuto said only 3 types of sage mode exists. So obviously Hashirama obtained his in Shikkotsu Forrest.

Of course it is possible that the slugs live in Shikkotsu Forrest, and that they teach the sage art to those they find suited, which Hashirama was.
We know Hashirama could use self restoration techniques as well, and the creatures he summoned with sage art, were made of wood, but it shouldn't matter, whether you can use wood element or not in order to summon such creatures.

Although it clearly was a mistake by Kishi to have Hashirama know a lot about Tsunade, fact is, he might as well have introduced her to the slugs, and thus made the contract with them.
Orochimaru also couldn't learn the dragon sage mode despite trying (according to Kabuto), so perhaps it was the same case for Tsunade.

Of course it is more likely, that the slugs have nothing to do with the hyakugo jutsu, and that the slugs have no relation to the Shikkotsu Forrest and thus any sort of sage mode. It's not like there only exists 3 types of summonings...

 

[JasonTheArgonaut]

I also wanna see the monkey sage

 

[Meowazziel]

Slugs are about healing.

Tsunade is a super medic and has slugs as summon.
Byakugo allows her to heal without seals.

Hashirama could heal without seals.
He is Tsunade her grandfather.
No doubt on my mind that he learned sage mode in shikkotsurin
and has a slug sage mode.

 

[boshans]

Slugs are about healing.

Tsunade is a super medic and has slugs as summon.
Byakugo allows her to heal without seals.

Hashirama could heal without seals.
He is Tsunade her grandfather.
No doubt on my mind that he learned sage mode in shikkotsurin
and has a slug sage mode.

It's not called Byakugou, it is called Hyakugou, there is no such thing as Byakugou, it was a mistranslation. Nothing against you, just trying to educate the base since everyone still thinks it is called Byakugou.

Anyway, Hashirama's sage mode obviously has to do with Buddha, not slugs. When he goes into sage mode, he gains the bindu on his forehead, the dot within the circle. It's meaning is to long to post here, but it has to do with Buddhism/Hinduism. The dot is the male force, the circle the female, so the whole thing together symbolizes the spiritual merging of male and female forces. Don't know what that has to do with Hashirama, but it doesn't have anything to do with slugs at least. Shikkotsu means Humid Bone Forest, which some people think would be a good enviornment for slugs to live in, since slugs do most of their work in humidity and don't like direct sunlight, which a forest would prevent. Just because Kabuto named these three places though doesn't mean it is the only three, and that Hashirama must have gotten his sage mode from shikkotsu. How would Kabuto know about Hashi's sage mode? He wouldn't, I don't think it was very well known Hashi even had Sage mode, he probably only ever used it against Madara, since he had more than enough chakra and power to beat anybody else without it. The marking on his face definitely represent Buddhism/Hinduism/God stuff though, not slugs.

 

[fayeon]

I think its slug sage mode

Tsunade byakugo could be part of sage mode .

Its not waired For tsunade not learning sage mode . She stoped fighting and training for years .

She didnt want to fight again why would she learn sage mode ?

It's not called Byakugou, it is called Hyakugou, there is no such thing as Byakugou, it was a mistranslation. Nothing against you, just trying to educate the base since everyone still thinks it is called Byakugou.

Anyway, Hashirama's sage mode obviously has to do with Buddha, not slugs. When he goes into sage mode, he gains the bindu on his forehead, the dot within the circle. It's meaning is to long to post here, but it has to do with Buddhism/Hinduism. The dot is the male force, the circle the female, so the whole thing together symbolizes the spiritual merging of male and female forces. Don't know what that has to do with Hashirama, but it doesn't have anything to do with slugs at least. Shikkotsu means Humid Bone Forest, which some people think would be a good enviornment for slugs to live in, since slugs do most of their work in humidity and don't like direct sunlight, which a forest would prevent. Just because Kabuto named these three places though doesn't mean it is the only three, and that Hashirama must have gotten his sage mode from shikkotsu. How would Kabuto know about Hashi's sage mode? He wouldn't, I don't think it was very well known Hashi even had Sage mode, he probably only ever used it against Madara, since he had more than enough chakra and power to beat anybody else without it. The marking on his face definitely represent Buddhism/Hinduism/God stuff though, not slugs.

No byakugo is exist but its belong to tsunade .
Tsunade byakugo

Sakura hyakugo