i already declared him speed demon
how much faster do you want XD
the distance bet_n konoha and suna is same as the distance bet_n konoha and battlefield (according to map)
the distance bet_n konoha and suna took 2 days for kakashi and company (gara rescue ark)
I wan't him to be so fast no one at ALL will question his speed anymore. His speed feats/hype is thrown out the window way to many times in vs threads.
We saw the speed boost kcm gave naruto but when i propose that it will have the same effects on the already speed king minato dudes laugh it off.
I wan't him to be so fast no one at ALL will question his speed anymore. His speed feats/hype is thrown out the window way to many times in vs threads.
We saw the speed boost kcm gave naruto but when i propose that it will have the same effects on the already speed king minato dudes laugh it off.
meh people who are weak at science (physics and math) more precisely,
i just ignore them, talking minato is talking physics and math, most people hate these cuz it uses more brain XD
- youre telling me that he didnt FTG to that kunai? Please dont say that he didnt because Im trying to agree to a point.. If you do disagre then tell me why minato even needed his kunai to reach naruto..
Why couldnt minato have simply outrun tobirama with shunshin, then proceed to use FTG to throw kunai & reach back to the battle from the ocean?
Because FTG counts towards his overall speed, why is this hard to fathom? But anyways, ^^^^
oh god this kunai was thrown by minato himself. if you have seen the previous pages the guy watching tbb had no idea when it suddenly disappeared minato reached closer to tbb to perform S/T barrier , sent it to the sea threw a kunai in front of his son to say hi to him first. agree or not ?
this was just an entrance thingy.
rofl @ bold nope cuz FTG + reflexes is his overall speed and ftg is teleportation
also no need to back and forth, i explained the misconceptions about shunshin and Ftg above
Okay, but that doesnt change the fact that he most likely teleported to it.
if you have seen the previous pages the guy watching tbb had no idea when it suddenly disappeared minato reached closer to tbb to perform S/T barrier , sent it to the sea threw a kunai in front of his son to say hi to him first. agree or not ?
Im saying that minato could've easily used FTG to reach the island & back after he used shunshin to get to the battlefield, my point is that its entirely possible & more likely for minato to have used his s/t, he might not have used it the whole way through but that doesnt mean that he used shunshin the whole way through.
FTG is a part of his speed, once again my point is that hiruzen could've easily been referring to FTG, just because hiruzen praised minato's speed doesnt mean that he didnt praise his s/t.
also no need to back and forth, i explained the misconceptions about shunshin and Ftg above
Okay, but that doesnt change the fact that he most likely teleported to it.
Im saying that minato could've easily used FTG to reach the island & back after he used shunshin to get to the battlefield, my point is that its entirely possible & more likely for minato to have used his s/t, he might not have used it the whole way through but that doesnt mean that he used shunshin the whole way through.
It still looks like he used FTG to me though.
FTG is a part of his speed, once again my point is that hiruzen could've easily been referring to FTG, just because hiruzen praised minato's speed doesnt mean that he didnt praise his s/t.
I guess, but still nobody knows if minato used shunshin, jikukan, or both.
you are not getting the point
kunai which is thrown by minato. and he teleported to it by FTg (his arrival) is different thing .
kunai which was placed at the sea how could he place it with S/T ? , it must be either by throwing (impossible considering the distance)
or he went there and placed it, and i said he used shunshin for it which is generally referred as teleportation in the manga but it is never reffered as S/T in the manga. our general understanding that teleportation = S/T is not aplied there. and hence creating the problem for reader.
and as you are forcing that FTG could be used to reach the island aren't you proving he don't need the marking for FTG?
that my friend is illogical in ur suggestion,
and as you said yourself hiruzen praised him for his speed strengthens my view cuz hiruzen must have the knowledge on ftg.
and many people know about FTG - mei, tsunade and may be every ninja in the world know of FTG since minato was famous.
any way it looks like, it's hard to convince you
so if you have better explanation than mine on the kunai at the island scenario you are welcome.
Omg yes I am, but you arent getting mine in the slightest......
How do you know that minato didnt arrive with that kunai? Even if he did arrive before (which is unconfirmed), you still cant prove that minato didnt use FTG at least once...
kunai which was placed at the sea how could he place it with S/T ? , it must be either by throwing (impossible considering the distance)
or he went there and placed it, and i said he used shunshin
Did he shunshin ALL the way to the ocean & back?? You cant prove that minato used shunshin for the entire distance, stop saying that he used shunshin to both reach the island & the battlefield when its clear from the manga's perspective that the distance is enormous for any regular shunshin jutsu alone, & he also teleported to his kunai, further implying that he used FTG at least once, whether he was already there or not.
for it which is generally referred as teleportation in the manga but it is never reffered as S/T in the manga. our general understanding that teleportation = S/T is not aplied there. and hence creating the problem for reader.
Throw, catch, throw, catch. He throws his kunai & instantly teleports to it, then catches it. This would be a faster & easier method of transportation over an ocean as he would be essentially flying, & he can find the perfect spot from a bird's eye view. I never said that he magically appeared to that island with FTG. But what's stopping him from using FTG as a method of transport in order to get there? & once he's there he can just simply FTG back to the battlefield via kunai. Much more efficient way of moving than just using shunshin..
Not illogical, I didnt even give you my damn explanation, how about you ask me before you go on calling me illogical U_U
and as you said yourself hiruzen praised him for his speed strengthens my view cuz hiruzen must have the knowledge on ftg.
and many people know about FTG - mei, tsunade and may be every ninja in the world know of FTG since minato was famous.
What does hiruzen's knowledge on FTG have to do with how he compliments minato? Hiruzen said "you are as fast as ever" well of course he is if he has FTG, nobody can stop him with that kind of speed.
so if you have better explanation than mine on the kunai at the island scenario you are welcome.
It doesnt matter how he got there, why are you ruling out the possibility of FTG in a situation that would be ridiculous for sombody to accomplish with shunshin alone. The distance is massive between the battlefield & ocean yet you want to try & convince me that he just used body flicker the whole way through. If thats the case then why wasnt minato called "shunshin no minato" the fastest teleporter in the series. If minato can do it then so can shisui right? Just give him an s/t barrier & he can show up minato like a baws
Omg yes I am, but you arent getting mine in the slightest......
How do you know that minato didnt arrive with that kunai? Even if he did arrive before (which is unconfirmed),
you still cant prove that minato didnt use FTG at least once...
you do realige that people were focused on TBB and it suddenly disappeared. he came closed to it
and performed S/T barrier. he did it so fast that no one could see what jutsu done on it.
then from that location (near TBB) he sent a kunai in front of naruto. just to say hi.
it was FTg only for a short distance and any one can understand it.
Did he shunshin ALL the way to the ocean & back??
You cant prove that minato used shunshin for the entire distance,
stop saying that he used shunshin to both reach the island & the battlefield when its clear from the manga's
perspective that the distance is enormous for any regular shunshin jutsu alone,
& he also teleported to his kunai,
further implying that he used FTG at least once,
whether he was already there or not.
Its not a problem, its quite simple when you think about it logically.
Throw, catch, throw, catch. He throws his kunai & instantly teleports to it, then catches it. This would be a faster & easier method of transportation over an ocean as he would be essentially flying, & he can find the perfect spot from a bird's eye view. I never said that he magically appeared to that island with FTG. But what's stopping him from using FTG as a method of transport in order to get there? & once he's there he can just simply FTG back to the battlefield via kunai. Much more efficient way of moving than just using shunshin..
@ bold - why are you so neglecting this possibility
all the other hokage did came using shunshin from the 2 battle fields.
2nd tobirama's word has weightage and he said shunshin. hate it but suck it.
the thing that you are implying
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is just as this image i guess so (btw i already have thought of these cases)
1. he was already in the battle field
and he already had a kunai in there , then he used throw and cach for more than 30 KM and came back in one jump
fail ^^ i thought about this too but simply fail
2.he saw juubi from a distance then he played throw and catch to the island and came back again using throw and catch
not impossible but funny cuz he just show juubi going nuts and he is playing throw and catch.
any waays as i said not impossible but the case here is the shunshin from the other kages
which were only a minute behind it's fairly unfair to treat a person who is hyped as a speed demon in the manga
another thing is throwing and catching will still need an extremly fast speed of kunai throw
and you need to realize 30 KM distance is no joke
how many times do you think he have to throw it and each time when you are using the FTg you have to go through chakra moulding
and hand seal and bla bla bla. say he can throw kunai 1KM at one time he still uses it 30 times.
30 times ftg to go 30 times ftg to come wow he is still incredible . i say better use shunshin and it must be fast enough
to go to such distance since it is a jutsu (more like a flash step in bleach)
however it doesn't uses destination seal
Not illogical, I didnt even give you my damn explanation,
how about you ask me before you go on calling me illogical U_U
why should i ask you your damn explanation if i don't give fuqk
if you have an explanation then just give it like the 1timeonly girl already gave and i responded well reped too.
What does hiruzen's knowledge on FTG have to do with how he compliments minato? Hiruzen said "you are as fast as ever" well of course he is if he has FTG, nobody can stop him with that kind of speed.
that's where you are wrong fella, cuz he is saying fast even if he knew that the guy has FTG. and that's the word means more here,
see if a guy knows nothing about FTG and watches minato he says whoa you are fast. it's okay but if the guy already know what's the trick he won't praise like that.
It doesnt matter how he got there, why are you ruling out the possibility of FTG in a situation that would be ridiculous for sombody to accomplish with shunshin alone. The distance is massive between the battlefield & ocean yet you want to try & convince me that he just used body flicker the whole way through. If thats the case then why wasnt minato called "shunshin no minato" the fastest teleporter in the series. If minato can do it then so can shisui right? Just give him an s/t barrier & he can show up minato like a baws
it's funny coming out of your mouth (doesn't matter how he got there part). cuz out of all the viewers you look the most concerned.
and i'm ruling it out simply because of 3 reasons
1. tobirama's word (it means a lot. he is the creater of S/T jutsus)
2. they all arrived separately using shunshin only few minutes later
3. some minato fans were laughed at for making up the throw and jump. which he might do (and it will still be an exelent feat considering i not only underrated the TBB i also extended the reaction time).
Since we talking math and physics in a manga.... totsuka says it can seal whatever it pierces.. Thus if Itachi stabs the ground the entire battlefield will be sealed...
Since we talking math and physics in a manga.... totsuka says it can seal whatever it pierces.. Thus if Itachi stabs the ground the entire battlefield will be sealed...
you do realige that people were focused on TBB and it suddenly disappeared. he came closed to it
and performed S/T barrier. he did it so fast that no one could see what jutsu done on it.
Okay....So what? you keep on missing the friggin point! It doesnt matter what he did to teleport the tbb, or how fast he did it (living minato took a while to tele kurama's tbb, so it likely has something to do with chakra), the focus of the damn argument is how he got there.
then from that location (near TBB) he sent a kunai in front of naruto. just to say hi.
it was FTg only for a short distance and any one can understand it.
Pure assumption, you have no idea where he teleported from, he could've been extremely high up in the sky. You dont know that so stop assuming that he used FTG for a short distance...
@ bold - why are you so neglecting this possibility
Because minato has a jutsu that allows him to move faster than any shunshin user ever could, explain to me why he would neglect that. Also the distance was so great that he would've been praised for his shunshin just like shisui...Why are you denying the fact that minato could've easily used FTG to shorten the distance between himself & the battlefield?
all the other hokage did came using shunshin from the 2 battle fields.
Lol bad response, so what if tobirama said shunshin? Even if he was referring to it, you still cant prove that minato didnt use FTG at least once during the travel. *_*
the thing that you are implying
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is just as this image i guess so (btw i already have thought of these cases)
1. he was already in the battle field
and he already had a kunai in there , then he used throw and cach for more than 30 KM and came back in one jump
fail ^^ i thought about this too but simply fail
Why is that a fail? Nice explanation , whats stopping minato from reaching the battlefield, marking a rock, teleporting/FTG to the island & then FTG back? Just because we didnt see him mark anything doesnt mean that he didnt use one. He had to have seen the juubi before he went to the island because it would make no sense otherwise, so tell me why minato would neglect to place a marking there first if it would cut his travelling time in half.
2.he saw juubi from a distance then he played throw and catch to the island and came back again using throw and catch
not impossible but funny cuz he just show juubi going nuts and he is playing throw and catch.
any waays as i said not impossible but the case here is the shunshin from the other kages
which were only a minute behind it's fairly unfair to treat a person who is hyped as a speed demon in the manga
another thing is throwing and catching will still need an extremly fast speed of kunai throw
and you need to realize 30 KM distance is no joke
The hokage werent a minute behind you must understand that. Minato was able to cover a distance of 30KM and back before the hokage even got to the battlefield? Thats ridiculous! He would be the fastest shunshin user in the series, even more so than shisui (who was noted for that sort of thing) if he could cover over 60KM before the hokage even found the place...It makes much more sense for minato to be significantly faster if he used FTG at least once. Shunshin the whole way doesnt logically make sense, from a character or a plot perspective.
how many times do you think he have to throw it and each time when you are using the FTg you have to go through chakra moulding
and hand seal and bla bla bla. say he can throw kunai 1KM at one time he still uses it 30 times.
30 times ftg to go 30 times ftg to come wow he is still incredible . i say better use shunshin and it must be fast enough
to go to such distance since it is a jutsu (more like a flash step in bleach)
however it doesn't uses destination seal
Minato doesnt need to mould chakra in order to teleport, plus FTG is instant so if he can throw 30 kunai from point A-B, it wouldnt take more than a minute to get there & back, shunshin is still movement while FTG is instant teleportation, so whether he throws a kunai or not doesnt change the fact that its faster & thus more efficient.
why should i ask you your damn explanation if i don't give fuqk
if you have an explanation then just give it like the 1timeonly girl already gave and i responded well reped too.
Are you serious right now????? Because thats what a debate is! You read the response of the person you're debating against & you rebut accordingly. Ignoring my explanation & calling me illogical without even asking for it makes you lose credibility in this argument & if you dont care about my responses they why respond to them by calling them illogical? :sy:
that's where you are wrong fella, cuz he is saying fast even if he knew that the guy has FTG. and that's the word means more here,
see if a guy knows nothing about FTG and watches minato he says whoa you are fast. it's okay but if the guy already know what's the trick he won't praise like that.
Wrong, this is not good logic. If someone knew that minato had FTG & was thus fast, they would comment on that speed accordingly. We all know that usain bolt is the fastest man alive, but when he wins a race you can still say that he's "as fast as ever" because his speed is still unmatched. Hiruzen was simply noting that minato's speed is still as fast as ever meaning that his speed is still unmatched.
A normal fodder (like rin) would say "wow he's fast!" if they saw FTG for the first time, somebody already familiar with the technique will just say "you're still the fastest" or something along those lines. If one is aware of minato's FTG why would they not include it in minato's overall speed? It was the jutsu he was noted for..
it's funny coming out of your mouth (doesn't matter how he got there part). cuz out of all the viewers you look the most concerned.
So what? minato could've easily used FTG once he reached the battlefield, or once he outran the other hokage. You have no way to know that he only used shunshin, did tobirama follow him to the island to see what jutsu he used for transportation??
2. they all arrived separately using shunshin only few minutes later
Tobirama was surrounding the other hokage, we dont know how tobirama's s/t works so its possible that he brought them there partly with his s/t. This makes even more sense because all the hokage arrived at the exact same time, while sasuke & jugo also arrived at the same time afterwards (minato marked sasuke with a seal to bring him there).
3. some minato fans were laughed at for making up the throw and jump. which he might do (and it will still be an exelent feat considering i not only underrated the TBB i also extended the reaction time).
The throw, catch is not a surprising feat with FTG, minato was shown to be able to throw multiple kunai at once, he can also teleport between kunai before they even move. The time it takes between each teleport would accumulate to about a minute of actual "throwing".
You still cant get it through your head that theres even a friggin possibility or him using FTG. I tried to compromise in this argument but you still stick to your ignorance. If you wanna keep denying the small possibility then stop responding because its useless U_U.
Your a genius. I agree on all the Minato points and you even explained other things perfectly like Tsuandes marker, why karin and Oroch isn't there. GREAT THREAD
Since we talking math and physics in a manga.... totsuka says it can seal whatever it pierces.. Thus if Itachi stabs the ground the entire battlefield will be sealed...
plus rep to you sir for the laghs
and nope - Oro says right away "........... anything it pierces , or as far as legend goes"
clearly oro had not done the practical work hence his knowledge is just theoretical, nothing practical .
say he could do it with totsuka and could seal juubi
then he is a pusssy with a gun. for not doing it
say he wanted to cleans uchiha name and well being of sasuke
then again he is not the hero people claim him to be for prefering sasuke over the world
say he planed but failed
he was spy for 10 yrs and what did he came up with burn tobi with amaterasu would have been better if give him totsuka
idiot in this case ^
Okay....So what? you keep on missing the friggin point! It doesnt matter what he did to teleport the tbb, or how fast he did it (living minato took a while to tele kurama's tbb, so it likely has something to do with chakra), the focus of the damn argument is how he got there.
Pure assumption, you have no idea where he teleported from, he could've been extremely high up in the sky. You dont know that so stop assuming that he used FTG for a short distance...
that's what i call hater . you say i had no idea where he teleported from.and here i came with 4 examples. what did you came pulling the leg when some does the work and put it nicely for the people
Because minato has a jutsu that allows him to move faster than any shunshin user ever could, explain to me why he would neglect that. Also the distance was so great that he would've been praised for his shunshin just like shisui...Why are you denying the fact that minato could've easily used FTG to shorten the distance between himself & the battlefield?
you do realize tobirama was a S/T user too yet he was late and arrived with the other kage, let's say he threw and jump and move faster, is this thng excepted in a VS thread. another thing no matter how you look at it they all came up with a very high speed.
if one assumes the guy is faster in shunshin not a fuqking big deal and so if he can shunshin why waste chakra with s/t it's a complicated jutsu tough to learn. you are being at plain denial
No proof of this, they may have used shunshin but you cant prove that they didnt use tobirama's teleportation jutsu as well
haha it seems you are not only denying you lack brain too, read the fuqkin manga and see the picture how the kages came their position at arrival is enough to tell how they came
you are being ridiculous really cuz tobirama said shunshin so he came with shunshin ......
da fuq logic
Lol bad response, so what if tobirama said shunshin? Even if he was referring to it, you still cant prove that minato didnt use FTG at least once during the travel. *_*
Why is that a fail? Nice explanation , whats stopping minato from reaching the battlefield, marking a rock, teleporting/FTG to the island & then FTG back? Just because we didnt see him mark anything doesnt mean that he didnt use one. He had to have seen the juubi before he went to the island because it would make no sense otherwise, so tell me why minato would neglect to place a marking there first if it would cut his travelling time in half.
the first picture is failed cuz you are saying he had a kunai at battle field already okay where actually and at what point he decided to go throw and jump you have no idea. no one noticed him if he was already there it's still impressive and he came to the battle field long ago but really where
the kunai in front of naruto was freshly thrown after the s/t barrier on TBB
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if he was already at the battle field at least where is the kunai will be shown already
it's funny that throw and jump is being taught by a hater cuz it was made fun of in the past by haters and i understand this SMH. but really lol
your explanation is more hard to shwallow, not that it's impossible but you can't prove it either
The hokage werent a minute behind you must understand that. Minato was able to cover a distance of 30KM and back before the hokage even got to the battlefield? Thats ridiculous! He would be the fastest shunshin user in the series, even more so than shisui (who was noted for that sort of thing) if he could cover over 60KM before the hokage even found the place...It makes much more sense for minato to be significantly faster if he used FTG at least once. Shunshin the whole way doesnt logically make sense, from a character or a plot perspective.
why it is so hard to shwallow that the man called yellow flash can have the best shunshin. in the manga he was praised for it mutiple times, if you remember kushina rescue from kuubi's palm attack he jumped to kushina then shunshin to a far up tree it was impressive feat
and no one has shown in the manga such shunshin feat.
and yaa hokage were late more than a minute.
Minato doesnt need to mould chakra in order to teleport, plus FTG is instant so if he can throw 30 kunai from point A-B, it wouldnt take more than a minute to get there & back, shunshin is still movement while FTG is instant teleportation, so whether he throws a kunai or not doesnt change the fact that its faster & thus more efficient.
@ bold this going in my sig :snick:
do even understand the basic of a jutsu, without moulding chakra none of the jutsu can performed
you do realize the safe distance could be higher than 30 kms
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if you think throw and jump think of this possibility to do the math genuinly and give me more legit sasfe distance. you know i was going for 10 times first.
seems the above TBB was not prepared for anhilation puepose
but seeing the no. of hater i had to reduce the distance.
another thing is if he had to throw the kunai it should be fast enough(kunai speed) each and every time which still is an undeniably impressive feat
Are you serious right now????? Because thats what a debate is! You read the response of the person you're debating against & you rebut accordingly. Ignoring my explanation & calling me illogical without even asking for it makes you lose credibility in this argument & if you dont care about my responses they why respond to them by calling them illogical? :sy:
when the fuqk did you get the impression of debating you came up with nothing but denial right away.
if you had explanation just give it why do you think you are special that i'd care otherwise.
just read your own statements before saying anything to me.
Wrong, this is not good logic. If someone knew that minato had FTG & was thus fast, they would comment on that speed accordingly. We all know that usain bolt is the fastest man alive, but when he wins a race you can still say that he's "as fast as ever" because his speed is still unmatched. Hiruzen was simply noting that minato's speed is still as fast as ever meaning that his speed is still unmatched.
A normal fodder (like rin) would say "wow he's fast!" if they saw FTG for the first time, somebody already familiar with the technique will just say "you're still the fastest" or something along those lines. If one is aware of minato's FTG why would they not include it in minato's overall speed? It was the jutsu he was noted for..
and your logic is very good, and yup that's exactly my point
A normal fodder (like rin) would say "wow he's fast!" if they saw FTG for the first time, somebody already familiar with the technique will just say "you're still the fastest" or something along those lines. If one is aware of minato's FTG why would they not include it in minato's overall speed? It was the jutsu he was noted for..
Im concerned because of all the minato fapboys who think that minato can shunshin over 60KM before the hokage can even reach the battlefield :sy:..
So what? minato could've easily used FTG once he reached the battlefield, or once he outran the other hokage. You have no way to know that he only used shunshin, did tobirama follow him to the island to see what jutsu he used for transportation??
you can't prove your points either and you simply stupid if you think minato don't need to mould his chakra to ftg, that's just ridiculous.
Tobirama was surrounding the other hokage, we dont know how tobirama's s/t works so its possible that he brought them there partly with his s/t. This makes even more sense because all the hokage arrived at the exact same time, while sasuke & jugo also arrived at the same time afterwards (minato marked sasuke with a seal to bring him there).
The throw, catch is not a surprising feat with FTG, minato was shown to be able to throw multiple kunai at once, he can also teleport between kunai before they even move. The time it takes between each teleport would accumulate to about a minute of actual "throwing".
it's not surprising nor is impossible i didn't put that case simply cuz i'd have made fun of, and specially would be targeted for that and it might be you specially . don't think i didn't think of that
and you are still ignoring the kunai throwing speed and the real safe distance.
You still cant get it through your head that theres even a friggin possibility or him using FTG. I tried to compromise in this argument but you still stick to your ignorance. If you wanna keep denying the small possibility then stop responding because its useless U_U.
funny cuz i came up with your diagram and you came up with denial. i thought of more scenarios than you .and it's me who compromise in this argument but you still stick to your ignorance (ithout proof and anything logical)
i'm not denying the small possibilities it's you who is at denial you deny hiruzen words, you deny tobirama's words.
come up illogical explanation would think ftg don't need chakra moulding, won't consider the real safe distance.
and i'm the at denial
people who are weak at physics and maths and logic
Haha Honestly I don't think Itachi was a true spy. I believe his mission was simply make sure Obito didn't go near sasuke or konoha and fullfil his role in dying by his younger brother.
Also you said Itachi was a p*ssy with a gun.. Considering he never actually killed any one except his entire clan (irony) he in theory was a p*ssy with a gun.
@hadoukage Appreciate the input but obviously I was just messing with takiya (He noticed it)
Haha Honestly I don't think Itachi was a true spy. I believe his mission was simply make sure Obito didn't go near sasuke or konoha and fullfil his role in dying by his younger brother.
Also you said Itachi was a p*ssy with a gun.. Considering he never actually killed any one except his entire clan (irony) he in theory was a p*ssy with a gun.
@hadoukage Appreciate the input but obviously I was just messing with takiya (He noticed it)
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