[VS] this chapter proved that Hinata > Sakura

[shelke]

Ah, you moved from correlation means causation to... what? Trying to ridicule me without bases?

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Mind you, probably the slugs are not a part of the group of life forms that need a contract. Still doesn't mean Sakura couldn't have just learned to summon slugs just before the war.

Regarding assumptions? I know I'm speculating, the problem is that you are speculating too and still trying to pass it as a valid argument that everyone should take for granted.

This is not how I ridicule people. No offense, but you sound loopy now. Don't drag on argumentation without merits or these pointlessly contrived posts filled to the brim with ill-used prosaic ornamentations. Kay?

My so-called assumptions do have weight. Yours, I am not so sure. Now you can stay happy and believe whatever you want.

 

[phylos]

This is not how I ridicule people. No offense, but you sound loopy now. Don't drag on argumentation without merits or these pointlessly contrived posts filled to the brim with ill-used prosaic ornamentations. Kay?

My so-called assumptions do have weight. Yours, I am not so sure. Now you can stay happy and believe whatever you want.

Right, because knowing the names of the most common fallacies is "ornamentation", pathetic (that you would think that, I would call it "common knowledge" but I suppose that's overestimating certain people).
The fact of the matter is that the only weight your "argument" holds over my example (because I wasn't even trying to convince you of that) boils down to "the yin seal and the summoning are happening at the same time, clearly one is caused by the other" without any proof, even by lip service, in the manga.
Carry on in trying to have discussions that way tho, they always make for a few laughs.

PS: nothing spells "I ran out of arguments" more than insulting the interlocutor. The other path is mentioning anecdotes or personal experiences, but I guess that was too classy, amirite?

 

[shelke]

Is this guy ... nuts?

 

[phylos]

nothing spells "I ran out of arguments" more than insulting the interlocutor.

Too easy. Heh.

 

[Icelerate]

@Shelke, even if Sakura can't summon the slug without her seal which I do agree with since Sakura hasn't summoned a slug without the seal, she should have it because she does have the seal shouldn't she?

Anyway Sakura stomps low difficulty.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Right, because knowing the names of the most common fallacies is "ornamentation", pathetic (that you would think that, I would call it "common knowledge" but I suppose that's overestimating certain people).
The fact of the matter is that the only weight your "argument" holds over my example (because I wasn't even trying to convince you of that) boils down to "the yin seal and the summoning are happening at the same time, clearly one is caused by the other" without any proof, even by lip service, in the manga.
Carry on in trying to have discussions that way tho, they always make for a few laughs.

PS: nothing spells "I ran out of arguments" more than insulting the interlocutor. The other path is mentioning anecdotes or personal experiences, but I guess that was too classy, amirite?

The thing is, in order for Sakura to summon a slug that large, she will need large chakra reserve, something that she has never had or shown in the past. The yin seal itself is designed as an extra chakra reserve that can be used however the person fells like. Sakura had never completely filled this chakra reserve in the past as stated by herself when she said it took her 3 years to store up this much chakra, and yet, almost 3 years prior to this war Sakura had only recently started training with Tsunade like her teammates did with their respective sannin teachers. This means that Sakura has never been able to summon any slug as large as the one she has recently summoned prior to her filling up the yin seal to capacity. While this doesn't take into consideration whether Sakura has used her yin seal before now, this means very little because Sakura has never used it after the three year time-skip until now, this being based on her lack of usage during other very critical points where her abilities would have been useful such as her fight with Sasori, the multiple times she tried to take back Sasuke, and even during the Pain invasion.

 

[phylos]

The thing is, in order for Sakura to summon a slug that large, she will need large chakra reserve, something that she has never had or shown in the past. The yin seal itself is designed as an extra chakra reserve that can be used however the person fells like.

Sasuke was shown summoning Manda while exhausted. Sakura has much less chakra than Sasuke, but implying she has less than what Sasuke had when he summoned Manda would mean she had pretty much no chakra, and that's pushing it a little, methinks. Specially if that Slug is indeed not Katsuyu but a different, lesser one.
The assumption that the yin seal has something to do with it is a perfectly valid one, as long as we remember that it is just an assumption because the only certain "proof" of it in the manga would be a fallacy.
That was my point, I never said it'd be far-fetched to think Sakura can only summon slugs while having the yin seal, it's a valid interpretation but that's just it, an interpretation.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Sasuke was shown summoning Manda while exhausted. Sakura has much less chakra than Sasuke, but implying she has less than what Sasuke had when he summoned Manda would mean she had pretty much no chakra, and that's pushing it a little, methinks. Specially if that Slug is indeed not Katsuyu but a different, lesser one.
The assumption that the yin seal has something to do with it is a perfectly valid one, as long as we remember that it is just an assumption because the only certain "proof" of it in the manga would be a fallacy.
That was my point, I never said it'd be far-fetched to think Sakura can only summon slugs while having the yin seal, it's a valid interpretation but that's just it, an interpretation.

Remember, though, that Sasuke could use the curse mark which also acted like an extra reserve of chakra whenever Sasuke needed it and it usually only worked most effectively when Sasuke had very little to no chakra.

Anyways, its not like Sakura could not have summoned very little slugs to help her here and there, its just that she could never summon anything as large as a boss summon without the yin seal.

 

[Amaterasuice]

I like Hinata far more than Sakura, but tbh I put Sakura without yin seal/slugs above Hinata in strength. The latest chapters just prove that Sakura>>>Hinata's power.

 

[fayeon]

Sakura most likely had signed the contract because she is tsunade best student

And she is a good learner i bet she summoned avarge slugs before but now that her chakra pool is very big with the yin seal she can summon gaint slug

Anyway i say sakura is great really she have no strong clan yet can do thing like this .

Lee and sakura my favorite

 

[tyltyl]

Sakura stood up Hinata this chapter. Sakura has more power than Hinata

 

[RicardoA]

Sakura can only summon after three years of chakra hoarding. You guys know that, right? Anyhow, I am not implying Hinata wins as her close ranged 64 palms were pathetic compared to Neji who can use Byakugan moves from quite a distant away and he could do this at Genin level. As I have always said before; Hinata is inferior to Sakura. It's a fact people should accept.

You realise that's irrelevant because this is a vs thread where time doesn't matter. Plus, she stored what she had to store, now she can use it anytime just like Tsunade.
I agree with Turson, and its not sure whether she needs the seal to summon because the seal doesn't even seems to have been released since the mark hasn't spread through her face/body.

 

[fastrthnwind]

You realise that's irrelevant because this is a vs thread where time doesn't matter. Plus, she stored what she had to store, now she can use it anytime just like Tsunade.
I agree with Turson, and its not sure whether she needs the seal to summon because the seal doesn't even seems to have been released since the mark hasn't spread through her face/body.

The seal being released In that manner was the sigh of using creation rebirth or byakugou. Sakura has the Hyakugo instead which is a lesser form of it without the healing parts.

 

[Equalist]

The chuunin exams proved that Hinata was superior to Sakura. Where have you all been?

 

[Turson]

TSakura has the Hyakugo instead which is a lesser form of it without the healing parts.

As for now, thats only a speculation.

 

[aimop95]

Wouldn't Hinata just deflect any punches Sakura would use? She's the taijutsu specialist here...And if she lands a blow on Sakura, Sakura isn't able to use her fists to punch.

 

[RicardoA]

The seal being released In that manner was the sigh of using creation rebirth or byakugou. Sakura has the Hyakugo instead which is a lesser form of it without the healing parts.

Possible, but at the same its only speculation.

 

[Cloudis1]

I don't see that happening considering it would only take Sakura one punch to win the fight.

 

[Tartarus]

lol no, Sakura just needs one punch to destroy the entire ara

 

[inoyamanaka98]

Hinata can't summon anything at all Sakura is the strongest and fastest and I'm not talking about fighting fast I'm talking about her speed and also her stamina is higher. Hinata's air palm is mid range not long so that isn't gonna make her win plus Tsunade taught Sakura the art of evasion and how to stand strong no matter how injured she is and Sakura also inherit Tsunade's resilence for losing. Sakura will never give up a fight so people has to accept that Sakura is the strongest and the main character of the series.