[Discussion] Juha aka Zangetsu

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What about Urahara training Ichigo his Bankai and also Ichigo having to learn his Zanpaktous name?
Urahara you would think would be able to tell if it wasn't a real Zanpaktou...seriously! SO confused right now!?!?
 

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So does that mean his bankai was never really a bankai but a quincy power?
 

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What about Urahara training Ichigo his Bankai and also Ichigo having to learn his Zanpaktous name?
Urahara you would think would be able to tell if it wasn't a real Zanpaktou...seriously! SO confused right now!?!?

Urahara is as mysterious as you can get. I'm willing to bet he knew. Probably never told him
 

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So does that mean his bankai was never really a bankai but a quincy power?

Yep. Remember when Byakuya said his bankai really wasn't a bankai?
 

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Yep. Remember when Byakuya said his bankai really wasn't a bankai?

Damn, I wonder what his bankai will be.

Quincy form, hollow power, and bankai......Ichigo seems like he's going to be on par with Yamamoto
 

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Damn, I wonder what his bankai will be.

Quincy form, hollow power, and bankai......Ichigo seems like he's going to be on par with Yamamoto

I think he lost his hollow powers Because that guy said that Asauchi was his hollow
 

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I think he lost his hollow powers Because that guy said that Asauchi was his hollow

didn't they reforge it into his new zanpakuto? So wouldn't it then mean he'd still retain his hollow power?
 

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didn't they reforge it into his new zanpakuto? So wouldn't it then mean he'd still retain his hollow power?

We'll have to see. But maybe this time it'll be inside the sword instead of him
 

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people need to chill out!!!!!!!!! no kube did not pull a kishi ...more respect please!!!!!!!!

ichigo always had quincy powers he got shinigami powers and he has a hollow inside of him as well.

zangetsu posed as his zanpaktou...how and why???

how because zangetsu is just a manifestation of his quincy powers while the hollow whitey was actually his zanpaktou ..ever wonder why whitey was always *****ing about how ichigo does not know how to use his zanpaktou properly?? because whitey was his zanpaktou but zangetsu had more power than whitey so he always had control over him. hence the whole "i'm the king you're the horse" convo's and i'll bring you out when ichigo needs a power boost.
Then where the hell was hollow ichigo all this time huh? We haven't seen ichigo hollowfy since rukia gave him his power back
 

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Yeah but who can blame him? I mean zangetsu is a quincy thingy?! Also how come on the filler arc Muramasa was able to manipulate a non zanpaktou? All the mysteries

did he manipulate Zangetsu? wouldn't make much sense but after all It's an Filler arc... guys didn't know :D Maybe Kubo didn't know himself what he's going to do... lol
 

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It was Ichigo's quincy power in the form of juha bach pretending to be his shinigami powers. Now the real questios are how awesome is gonna be the real Zangetsu and why tf did the fake one is in juha bach's form

yeahh can't wait to see his real shinigami's power
 

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Let see, the thing start with isshin(getsuga founder) fought "white hollow". Then masaki(pure quincy blood from juba)'s soul been effected by "white".
Ishin save masaki by sealing his sinigami power inside masaki body. Masaki give birth to ichigo with also some of the (quincy,isshin,hollow power).

Meanwhile Rukia awaken Ichigo's zangetsu(which origin's from isshin). Those been power up even more by the quincy and hollow power poer inside ichigo.

Ishin then teach ichigo final getsuga. Ichigo learned mukajin and use it, finally lost all his power. While rukia, once again, combined soul society captain level power, and insert into ichigo, for awaken ichigo power once more.(power-up zangetsu.) . Eventually then learned some quincy technical.

Juba Break the power once again. Channichi reveal to him that ichigo doesnt know anything about his source of power. Ichigo learned all thing.

from what i can see here is. Ichigo already mastered his shinigami power, while able to turn his full holow power become his zanpatou. What he need now is awakening the quincy power.

The hollow composisition as chinichi said is look alike zanpatou but not zanpatou , so i think it wont be much changes about his zanpatou. probally whit some hollow form zanpatou.
Note: only Ichigo normal assauchi is different with others,(big sword).Yet it even does'nt have shikai. This explain why his bankai could not be stolen by quincy. Because it is modified bankai(shinigami+hollow)

For the zangetsu we see in Ichigo's mind, i think it's actually a source of quincy blood line link to Juba. Since Juba could link and steal masaki power, that mean actually Juba can also be linked to ichico power. You could say, the zangetsu inside ichigo actually is a spy of juba. ^__^

The rest now, we will see i think is the quincy power inside ichigo. What happen if ichigo insert the quincy power in to his zanpatou as well? very interesting.

There is some doubt is, if Ichigo have all those power, how about his little 2 sister? will them also pose a same power.

Ishida- if i am not wrong, he is the son of Ryuuken + Katagirl.
Ishida face look like Ryuuken and have katagirl black hair.
 
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Surely they weren't quincy powers, his dad also has the getsuga tenshou and he doesn't have any quincy powers...

Probably because Ichigo's quincy powers (in the form of old man zangetsu) applied the sklaverei technique to steal Isshin's getsuga tensho technique.
 

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Probably because Ichigo's quincy powers (in the form of old man zangetsu) applied the sklaverei technique to steal Isshin's getsuga tensho technique.

Exactly, Ishin power, getsuga, has been stolen by Juba ever since, Juba stole masaki power. The zangetsu inside ichigo, actually is Juba. For some reason, either he is interested with Ichigo modified soul(shinigami+quincy+hollow) or because ichigo have quincy bloodline. Juba have been guide ichigo to use his power ever since rukia awakening it. Yet we could see juba mercyness through ichigo. Without juba mercy, ichigo already death.
 
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