[Discussion] Juha aka Zangetsu

[Noki]

ook now can someone explain me... if zangetsu aka juha... was Ichigos quincie power to begin with ... how the hell did he achive BANKAI? Which we all know is a shinigami only power... I need an explanation please ;O this is mind-buggling..

 

[Equalist]

I guess we all know why Juha looked familiar.

 

[sakhee]

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Oh I thought this was obvious, but clearly not O_O

 

[kotoamatsukami]

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So ichigo new sword will be the real zangetsu?

 

[Naruto KM V2]

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Thank you. Because I was confused

 

[Ghan]

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So ichigo new sword will be the real zangetsu?

Should be. Since that Asauchi was his hollow

 

[kotoamatsukami]

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Should be. Since that Asauchi was his hollow

An what did the zero squad guy mean by the hollow in me? Does he have one to?

 

[kingcappy32]

I'm new here but this chap got me excited. I simply think that juha knows everything about zans and how they work. meaning this he wants to protect ichi so he uses the real zan the hollow part abilities at times. I mean when he fought kenny juha saved him. when he fought the 4th I believe his true zan/hollow kicked in and then juha saved him then. I think juha/zengustu was planning all along to have him on their side. once again im new so be gentle

 

[LightningZI]

I get your point and that is very plausable, now what puzzles me is that If that's not zangetsu than where is he?(that masked asauchi)? Or maybe zangetsu doesn't belong to Ichigo... or what Nimaya meant is that Ichigo didn't have a zanpaktou all allong he's been only using his quincy and hollow powers and now he's about to add his shiningami abilities???

If you re-read the new chapter you'll see Nimaya say that White is the Zanpakutou, the hollow itself is the zanpaktou, which is why when Ichigo touched Asauchi it turned completely white. If you go back to when Ichigo is fighting Hichigo in chapter 218 or something Hichigo came out and said that he himself is "Zangetsu". In his words it was like "I am "Zangetsu"". There was a lot of foreshadowing way before that the hollow is zangetsu himself. It explains why he knew how to use Zangetsu correctly, and he taught the black getsuga and he gripped it by the cloth. Recall that the old man never taught Ichigo Getsuga tenshou, he just said he knew the name. The old man is just Ichigo's quincy powers taking form as Juha Bach, like his hollow powers being Hichigo before. It's not really Juha Bach inside him, it's just the quincy inside him, as Juha Bach's blood is in all quincy's it makes sense that it would be his image if they went to their inner world.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I dont think it was stated the Getsuga Tenshou was Zangetsu's power, but if so, then Kubo gave us another Plot Hole.

But still though Ichigo did learn final Getsuga from Zangetsu

Yeah and final Getsuga took away his Shinigami powers so what better startegy than to use one enemy to take out another and himself at the same time. Bach would have had Ichigo and Aizen out of the way if Soul Society didn't reinstate Ichigo's Shinigami power

 

[Ghan]

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An what did the zero squad guy mean by the hollow in me? Does he have one to?

Seems like it

 

[Braveknight]

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Seems like it

no, he was sayin what ichigo is thinking.

 

[AnimusOra]

You know this actually makes alot of sense to me. The fact that no one could steal his "bankai" can only mean that it wasnt his real zanpakutou. Remember even Juha Back stated that Ichigo escaped the cage because he was a quincy. Maybe the rules apply to all quincy, their only weakness is each other is what im presuming. If this is true then it makes perfect sense for Juha Back destroying Ichigos "bankai" so that way he is forced to unlock his true bankai in order for them to steal it from him. Ichigo is one of the stronger ones and Juha tested whether or not his bankai could be stolen many times which led him to destroying it. Ichigo is his greatest threat and he wants to make sure he stops the threat as soon as he can. Only thing that i can understand is why the hollow form became his bankai? Does that mean it really isnt his true bankai? that he might have had an original one yet because of Whitey he fused into his bankai creating a new one?

 

[Keytap15]

What i gathered from the new chapter is that Ichigo's quincy powers have been masquerading as his shinigami powers, and that Hichigo was the real Zangetsu all along. Makes sense, especially when you think back to when Hichigo proclaim that he is Zangetsu when Ichigo asked who he was all those chapters ago. What I don't understand is if the Zangetsu we've known about all along is really a manifestation of his quincy powers, then what does that make Tensa Zangetsu? And what does that make of the events that occurred during the fight with Aizen when Hichigo and "Zangetsu" merged together? Kubo has a lot of explaining to do.

 

[Ghan]

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no, he was sayin what ichigo is thinking.

Yeah Thanks for the heads up. I'm interested to see a hollow zanpaktou

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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yea man bleach is too good right now...people said kubo is trolling?? i'm like how??? he actually follows his plot

 

[adventnova]

ook now can someone explain me... if zangetsu aka juha... was Ichigos quincie power to begin with ... how the hell did he achive BANKAI? Which we all know is a shinigami only power... I need an explanation please ;O this is mind-buggling..

Ichigo achieved bankai because of he has shinigami powers. his other powers just gives him a power boost, which allowed him to achieve it faster than normal. He was telling Ichigo to say good bye to the physical appearance of what Zangetsu actually looked like.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I wonder if yoruichi realized this when ichigo was training to get bankai.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

people need to chill out!!!!!!!!! no kube did not pull a kishi ...more respect please!!!!!!!!

ichigo always had quincy powers he got shinigami powers and he has a hollow inside of him as well.

zangetsu posed as his zanpaktou...how and why???

how because zangetsu is just a manifestation of his quincy powers while the hollow whitey was actually his zanpaktou ..ever wonder why whitey was always *****ing about how ichigo does not know how to use his zanpaktou properly?? because whitey was his zanpaktou but zangetsu had more power than whitey so he always had control over him. hence the whole "i'm the king you're the horse" convo's and i'll bring you out when ichigo needs a power boost.

 

[lynkolnglaze]

i couldn't agree more