DSM Kabuto > Minato

[Draphsin]

Izanami lol

Imo he's also susceptible to seals & kamui.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Izanami lol

Nah. Itachi cannot cast Izanami on something he can't see. So without PIS/CIS, Kabuto could have been prevented Izanami by keeping White Rage on so Itachi cannot open his eyes to cast Izanami.

 

[HiddenSound]

Imo he's also susceptible to seals & kamui.

If Obito can catch Kabuto in Kamui, yes it would be pretty difficult for Kabuto to escape :/
And what do you mean by seals?

Nah. Itachi cannot cast Izanami on something he can't see. So without PIS/CIS, Kabuto could have been prevented Izanami by keeping White Rage on so Itachi cannot open his eyes to cast Izanami.

He could theoretically do that, but the Jutsu of Izanami itself is a perfect asspu- er, counter to DSM Kabuto.

 

[Draphsin]

Nah. Itachi cannot cast Izanami on something he can't see. So without PIS/CIS, Kabuto could have been prevented Izanami by keeping White Rage on so Itachi cannot open his eyes to cast Izanami.

None of this changes the fact that he can still get fodderized by Izanami

 

[Rainbow Dash]

He could theoretically do that, but the Jutsu of Izanami itself is a perfect asspu- er, counter to DSM Kabuto.

No not really. :l

Izanami only works on characters who are mentally and internally lost. So that's why I say without plot or character stupidity, Izanami won't work.

 

[Draphsin]

If Obito can catch Kabuto in Kamui, yes it would be pretty difficult for Kabuto to escape :/
And what do you mean by seals?

Well, since kabuto is invincible, it would take a powerful sealing technique to stop him for good. Totsuka could do the job (granted it might not be fast enough), human path can too (not really a seal I know but its the same concept essentially).

I doubt a physical seal such as gaara's sand would be effective due to kabuto's liquefying jutsu, he can seep through even the smallest cracks like that.

So basically what im saying is that you have to take away kabuto's soul, his body is too OP & physical attacks are next to useless against him.

No not really. :l

Izanami only works on characters who are mentally and internally lost. So that's why I say without plot or character stupidity, Izanami won't work.

Without PIS/CIS, obito would've captured all the jinchuuriki by himself as children or babies. He didnt need akatsuki for that, he can easily kamui to them all & collect them immediately.

CIS is there for a reason, why are you excluding it? Thats like saying kabuto's past didnt happen...

 

[Rainbow Dash]

This is technically a Vs thread. PIS/CIS should not be discussed unless the thread creator says it's applied.

 

[HiddenSound]

Well, since kabuto is invincible, it would take a powerful sealing technique to stop him for good. Totsuka could do the job (granted it might not be fast enough), human path can too (not really a seal I know but its the same concept essentially).

I doubt a physical seal such as gaara's sand would be effective due to kabuto's liquefying jutsu, he can seep through even the smallest cracks like that.

So basically what im saying is that you have to take away kabuto's soul, his body is too OP & physical attacks are next to useless against him.

Yes, I fully agree.

This is technically a Vs thread. PIS/CIS should not be discussed unless the thread creator says it's applied.

I assume PIS and CIS are "plot in story" and "character in story"??

 

[XxLotusxX]

Izanami lol

So what you're saying is, if someone does not have Izanami, then they're screwedXD

 

[Draphsin]

I assume PIS and CIS are "plot in story" and "character in story"??

Plot/character induced stupidity, its the reason why kabuto got caught in izanami in the first place (CIS)

 

[HiddenSound]

So what you're saying is, if someone does not have Izanami, then they're screwedXD

lol Not necessarily. Kamui and Totsuka Blade would also work, though it would be incredibly difficult.

Plot/character induced stupidity, its the reason why kabuto got caught in izanami in the first place (CIS)

Gotcha. I love learning things.

 

[takiyacrowz]

i'd say a draw at best
you forgot to add siki fujjin
minato's speed is greatly underrated in you thread. i don't think kabuto is as fast as Ay
he could get his ass whooped before casting sound genjutsu.

oh yaa and sound genjutsu was broken by shikamru.

any way this fight can go both ways. depending on the who attacks first case scenario.
and ofc this thread is full of minato haters.

 

[HiddenSound]

i'd say a draw at best
you forgot to add siki fujjin

Shiki Fuujin = Death of both characters

minato's speed is greatly underrated in you thread. i don't think kabuto is as fast as Ay
he could get his ass whooped before casting sound genjutsu.

How could he get his ass whooped? By what?

oh yaa and sound genjutsu was broken by shikamru.

Because Mugen Onsa = SM enhanced Mugen Onsa. BTW, Tayuya was not going in for the kill during the time it took Shikamaru to get out of that version of Mugen Onsa.

any way this fight can go both ways. depending on the who attacks first case scenario.
and ofc this thread is full of minato haters.

Where are the Minato haters?

 

[Minator93]

Kabuto's DSM abilities were haxxed. He was designed in such a way that only Ninja's with HIGH fire power could beat him.

The one's that can beat him are -

1. Tobi
2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Naruto

Yup even Nagato is not beating him, sound genjutsu soloes.
However there are other two that Kabuto can't beat i.e. Minato and Tobirama [Jikukan + Shunshin] They can escape.

Canonically Kabuto has been put in the same league as Kakashi, Itachi i.e. Beneath Orochimaru [Itachi vs Orochimaru is a different topic no need to bring it up]
Even though Kakashi, Kabuto improved they are still beneath current Orochimaru, who himself was portrayed as someone who is below Minato and Prime Hiruzen.

Then again Minato could summon ma, pa and toads and put up a fight. Kabuto's summoning will fail once Minato puts the

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Also the match depends on the Location, as stated by Itachi and Kabuto himself, Kabuto had advantage because it was a cave that he was able to manipulate.

Furthermore there's prep time for his techs allowing sensors to sense and counter it, neither of Itachi and Sasuke are sensor as opposed to Minato.

I'm not saying Minato beats Kabuto, but I not saying that Kabuto beats Minato either.

 

[ooltafooltanitin]

quite possible .......... finally Minato looses somewhere !!

 

[Rainbow Dash]

quite possible .......... finally Minato looses somewhere !!

0_0 Minato already loses a lot...

 

[Minator93]

0_0 Minato already loses a lot...

Not a lot, he loses a few. People generally consider that Mianto is only Rasengan+FTG but actually Mianto's far more than that. Also he lacks enough screen time.

According to this Logic Minato's entire arsenal can be countered by Part1 Naruto at the VOTE U_U Part1 Naruto at the VOTE can counter Minato's tech because he has shown enough techs.

But we know that Minato was the strongest of his generation, canonically he was above Prime Orochimaru and an equal to Prime Hiruzen.

Now say the jutsu Kage Bunshin, I believe Minato can use it but he hasn't shown it so I can't use that Jutsu in a debate, but lets say he shows it in next few chapters [I know he won't though], with that one Jutsu he'll be able to beat Many ninjas that people think he can't. All the genjutsu users will legitly lose to Mianto w/out a doubt. Only a Kage Bunshin is required.

Also people tend to forget the types of his FTG

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And the current hax which makes him teleport people near him to any marked Location, that's another instant KO.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

disagreed with the rashoumon thing
countering a TBB from long distance and a direct rasengan to the face are totally different
agreed with everything else
Kabuto > Minato

 

[illidanson]

I agree. DSM Kabuto is pretty damn strong. Taking on Sasuke and Itachi at the same time. And he might have won if Itachi hadn't been an edo, though we can't be sure about that.

 

[Bogard]

Kabuto's regenerative abilities take time. You could notice that

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from Sasuke's kusanagi sword on the head of the snake before it actually regenerated,

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. Notice that

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, Kabuto was blocked and his movements was restricted, only on

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did he finally escape in time thanks by liquefying. So Kabuto is still solid. Only after some times, can he regenerate. But if he gets killed before the regeneration, bah he is dead. What's worse for him while fighting someone like Minato is that FTG is instant, so he won't even have time to react, let alone his regenerative abilities having time to take effect.

Because of this, if Minato kills him directly by attacking the vital points or cuting his head directly, he is dead. And Minato usually

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when

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Even himself

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he could die, only that because of the fact he is controlling edo tensei, they can't kill him. Wounding him would be useless because of his regenerative capacities, but killing him is definitely possibly contrary to what majority of people think. So i don't understand why you think only way to defeat him is with sealing techniques

Besides, i see that Minato's rasengan is underrated again. Base Kabuto already had regenerative abilities, yet he was incapable to regenerate the damage inflected by half backed Naruto's newbie rasengan. Reason? Because rasengan does internal damages. Minato's

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is stronger than

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in terms of size and power(just look at the difference in damage caused by the 2).