Mangekyou Sharingan Techniques.. Random, Biological, or Learn-able?

[Sephiron]

So far we know that the Mangekyou Sharingan is rare to obtain. (...although all of the surviving Uchiha members have it, and a few dead ones) And as Itachi stated it has the ability to use Tsukyomi and Amaterasu and upon unlocking both... Susano'o, However in my opinion Itachi has been wrong a few times.. and this might've been one. Where Itachi gained his knowledge about the Mangekyou Sharingan is unknown, but there are other MS abilities that have been seen such as Kotoamatsukami (KA) and Kamui (Left and Right Eye abilities).

The only Uchiha we know of to actually obtain Susano'o and the preceding two abilities are Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara.
And the other abilities belong to Shisui (KA), and Obito (Kamui).

I believe that because the blond bond between Itachi and Sasuke was so great (blood brothers), It could be the reason for their basic MS techniques to be identical with minor differences such as Yata Mirror and Blade of Amaterasu, but I won't go into the specifics..

Which leads me to believe that the relationship between the two brothers and Madara might be stronger that the other Uchiha. Possibly a Great Grandfather or Great Uncle.

We know that Madara was formerly the leader of the Uchiha clan however after defection, it could be likely a household relative could obtain the title of Uchiha leader.. eventually we know Fugaku became the last Uchiha clan leader and intended his elder son Itachi to lead after him (leading me to believe that Madara and the Uchiha Brothers are of the same household family; similar to the Hyuga Main Branch)

OT: We also know that Kishi implied that Kamui is a technique that can be learned through enough training (can't remember what page Kakashi said this).. however it's possible that he simply meant to elude to Obito and Kakashi have interchangeable techniques. But if not, then he could have implied that once acquiring the MS and probably being a full blood Uchiha you can learn and train for the other MS techniques. However if the direct blood descent is true then of course that argument is flawed and only select members of the clan can have certain abilities.

What do you think, are Mangekyou Sharingan abilities Biological/ Same household (similar to main branch of hyuga), Learnable through sheer training, or Random from person to person?

And by Random I mean Itachi, Sasuke, and presumably Madara (we saven't seen him use Amat or Tsuki) all randomly have the same basic abilities.

 

[Sephy100]

There are inherent abilities i.e Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano'o. Then there are manifestations of abilities which go with you style i.e Shisui & Itachi having op genjutsu because they are extremely smart and used genjutsu as a main weapon. i.e (cont') Sasuke and Madara having overpowered Susano'o. And then there are learnable abilities like Sasuke creating blaze release from saving Karin from Amaterasu and Madara being able to perform hand seals with his Susano'o.

There is no one right answer to the question. The above are how I see and may not necessarily be correct.

 

[Sephiron]

There are inherent abilities i.e Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano'o. Then there are manifestations of abilities which go with you style i.e Shisui & Itachi having op genjutsu because they are extremely smart and used genjutsu as a main weapon. i.e (cont') Sasuke and Madara having overpowered Susano'o. And then there are learnable abilities like Sasuke creating blaze release from saving Karin from Amaterasu and Madara being able to perform hand seals with his Susano'o.

There is no one right answer to the question. The above are how I see and may not necessarily be correct.

I understand where you're coming from.. All MS techs have the potential to learn and grow dependent upon the user

 

[realobito1]

I think your household theory the most logical. Madara and the Uchiha brothers being related is a likely story. Shisui and Obito don't come from the same branch of Uchiha so they both possess diff abilities. Anyway I don't mean to sound redundant, I just mean I agree with your theory.

 

[Sephiron]

I think your household theory the most logical. Madara and the Uchiha brothers being related is a likely story. Shisui and Obito don't come from the same branch of Uchiha so they both possess diff abilities. Anyway I don't mean to sound redundant, I just mean I agree with your theory.

It's cool, appreciate the post. And I'm glad you agree in some way xD

 

[AzR]

based on your point... can we say only the main branch can use susanoo? because only known user are madara,itachi and sasuke..

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi actually. He has Enton Kagutsuchi instead. In the story these techniques are based on Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo and Kagutsuchi are siblings. Kagutsuchi is the youngest brother, Sasuke is the youngest brother. This is likely how Kishimoto got around needing Tsukuyomi and Ama for Susanoo. I'm interested to see if Kishimoto expands on this technique, Kagutsuchi is the God of Fire in Shinto myth, perhaps it could allow him to control all of fire and it doesn't need to be used along with Amaterasu? That'd be interesting.

OT: Blood relation could have something to do with which MS abilities you inherit. Sasuke has two abilities that his brother shares, this is more than likely due to their blood relation, can't see it as just a simple coincidence even if it had surprised Itachi. Madara's relation to them could be direct, I'd find this interesting, though it's just an assumption but a possibility.

 

[Sephiron]

Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi actually. He has Enton Kagutsuchi instead. In the story these techniques are based on Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo and Kagutsuchi are siblings. Kagutsuchi is the youngest brother, Sasuke is the youngest brother. This is likely how Kishimoto got around needing Tsukuyomi and Ama for Susanoo. I'm interested to see if Kishimoto expands on this technique, Kagutsuchi is the God of Fire in Shinto myth, perhaps it could allow him to control all of fire and it doesn't need to be used along with Amaterasu? That'd be interesting.

OT: Blood relation could have something to do with which MS abilities you inherit. Sasuke has two abilities that his brother shares, this is more than likely due to their blood relation, can't see it as just a simple coincidence even if it had surprised Itachi. Madara's relation to them could be direct, I'd find this interesting, though it's just an assumption but a possibility.

Yeah I've looked into the background story as well... and I agree that it's highly unlikely for it to be mere coincidence for the same basic MS techs to appear when there's obviously a variety that could be inherited. As for Sasuke true he doesn't have Tsu he has Enton in his left eye I believe, but just another way that Itachi was "wrong" or leading Sasuke on in his quest for power

 

[Kage of the Hood]

Sasuke looks just like Madaras lil bro.... Madara got his eyes from his lil bro
Maybe there izunas ms techniques passed down to his brother than later his grand kids

 

[theacknowledgedone]

This is a really good theory, I would agree that it has to do with blood relations and I think it also has to do with how good there genjutsu, ninjutsu and/or taijutsu is when they're born.

 

[Mellanoma]

So far we know that the Mangekyou Sharingan is rare to obtain. (...although all of the surviving Uchiha members have it, and a few dead ones) And as Itachi stated it has the ability to use Tsukyomi and Amaterasu and upon unlocking both... Susano'o, However in my opinion Itachi has been wrong a few times.. and this might've been one. Where Itachi gained his knowledge about the Mangekyou Sharingan is unknown, but there are other MS abilities that have been seen such as Kotoamatsukami (KA) and Kamui (Left and Right Eye abilities).

The only Uchiha we know of to actually obtain Susano'o and the preceding two abilities are Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara.
And the other abilities belong to Shisui (KA), and Obito (Kamui).

I believe that because the blond bond between Itachi and Sasuke was so great (blood brothers), It could be the reason for their basic MS techniques to be identical with minor differences such as Yata Mirror and Blade of Amaterasu, but I won't go into the specifics..

Which leads me to believe that the relationship between the two brothers and Madara might be stronger that the other Uchiha. Possibly a Great Grandfather or Great Uncle.

We know that Madara was formerly the leader of the Uchiha clan however after defection, it could be likely a household relative could obtain the title of Uchiha leader.. eventually we know Fugaku became the last Uchiha clan leader and intended his elder son Itachi to lead after him (leading me to believe that Madara and the Uchiha Brothers are of the same household family; similar to the Hyuga Main Branch)

OT: We also know that Kishi implied that Kamui is a technique that can be learned through enough training (can't remember what page Kakashi said this).. however it's possible that he simply meant to elude to Obito and Kakashi have interchangeable techniques. But if not, then he could have implied that once acquiring the MS and probably being a full blood Uchiha you can learn and train for the other MS techniques. However if the direct blood descent is true then of course that argument is flawed and only select members of the clan can have certain abilities.

What do you think, are Mangekyou Sharingan abilities Biological/ Same household (similar to main branch of hyuga), Learnable through sheer training, or Random from person to person?

And by Random I mean Itachi, Sasuke, and presumably Madara (we saven't seen him use Amat or Tsuki) all randomly have the same basic abilities.

Considering to get the EMS you need your brothers Eyes I definitely believe each MS has it's own set of abilities based on lineage. Also since the Uchiha are Yang chakra beings. The eyes capabilities could also be limitless in the different types of jutsu the eyes can do.

 

[~Sasuke~]

I think they are completely random

 

[BenjerminGaye]

it's random. Sasuke only got ama cuz itachi gave it to him. Had itachi left him alone sasuke probably would have gotten something else.

 

[htmwall]

Boilogical maybe,since itachi adn sasuke both has amaterasu.
random yes when we look at someone like obito who had no talent or knowldge on S/T jutsu and suddenly gets a S/T jutsu better than minato's.
learnable never,all the MS we've seen are awakened never learned.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

it's random. Sasuke only got ama cuz itachi gave it to him. Had itachi left him alone sasuke probably would have gotten something else.

Actually that was one shot trap Itachi implanted in Sasuke's eye as a way to kill Obito.Sasuke unlocked Amaterasu on his own Itachi did'nt give it to him.

 

[God of TryHards]

As far as I know and remember, MS abilities are different from others. Though the whole household theory may be correct as we see the relation between Itachi and Sasuke (those are the only brothers we have ever seen to use MS abilities, we never saw Madara's brother's abilities so we can't compare; in fact we havnt even seen Madara's MS abilities yet either haha). Ama and Tsy have only been shown to be used my Itachi and Sasuke, that's it (though Saske's Tsy is more of a strong sharingan genjutus and Itachi's Ama is rather basic compared to Sasuke's Ama). It's already been stated that when having both original sets of MS eyes, can you awaken Susanoo. You don't need Ama or Tsy.

As for the spirit weapons Itachi's Susanoo has, they are not because of Susanoo. I believe it was stated that Itachi "found" them as Oro had been actually looking for the Sealing Sword and the shield. (How would Oro know of those weapons and not know Itachi had them if they were specific to use Susanoo?). These spirit weapons come from mythology and only the chosen individual can acquire them (Itachi was chosen). These spirit items and manifest in an shape or form, which is why we see them in Susanoo form.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Actually that was one shot trap Itachi implanted in Sasuke's eye as a way to kill Obito.Sasuke unlocked Amaterasu on his own Itachi did'nt give it to him.

Itachi entrusted sasuke with ama. What r u talking about?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Itachi entrusted sasuke with ama. What r u talking about?

No, the Amaterasu Itachi implanted into Sasuke was a one time thing.It was meant to activate when Sasuke saw Obito's Sharingan which is why Sasuke's eye took the form of Itachi's MS.Sasuke unlocked his Amaterasu on his own without Itachi's help.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, the Amaterasu Itachi implanted into Sasuke was a one time thing.It was meant to activate when Sasuke saw Obito's Sharingan which is why Sasuke's eye took the form of Itachi's MS.Sasuke unlocked his Amaterasu on his own without Itachi's help.

No, Itachi gave sasuke ama. It first activated at the sight of obito's sharingan but then he learned to use it on his own.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No, Itachi gave sasuke ama. It first activated at the sight of obito's sharingan but then he learned to use it on his own.

Or it could be because they are brothers and therefore would have the same MS techiniques.