A popular theory on this site currently is the Uzumaki(sage of 6 paths) + Juubi = Senju + Uchiha
I will not go in depth of this theory as it is everywhere on the forums, but a main selling point of this theory is that the Sage acquired the rinnegan after sealing the Juubi due to the creature's eyes being similar to the rinnegan.
The point I want to bring up: How could he keep his Rinnegan after performing the Creation of All Things justu (removing the Juubi by dividing its chakra into the 9 tailed beasts), and then using Chibuka Tensei, a rinnegan technique afterwords?
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The Rinnegan was also used by Madara to being the shell of the Juubi from the moon to earth, further proving that the Rinnegan was required to create the moon prison of the Juubi by the Sage.
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After separating the Juubi from himself, according the the Uzumaki equation and principle, he should have lost the Rinnegan and not been able to use Chibuka Tensei.
The only possible explanations I can think of are
1) He performed both tasks almost simultaneously with little lag between the two. However, this is unlikely because we know that Chibuka Tensei is not an immediate justu and takes time to initiate.
2) It could have been the final, last effort of his dojustu to create the moon. This is unlikely as well because of the time and chakra it takes to perform that jutsu and losing the rinnegan should be immediate like any other jinchuriki losing the powers of its tailed beast.
Conclusion: There is a loophole in the Uzumaki equation.
The Sage was an Uzumaki and thus survived the extraction.
Now look at Gaara, he got the abilities to manipulate sand through Shukaku but even after the Shukaku got extracted; he still possessed the power to use it. Similar could be said about the Sage.
The only thing I can say is that if the sage had the Byakugan, as I theorize, the Juubi's chakra affected his eyes, and mutated thgem into the rennigan...so even without the juubi in him he still had the rennigan...just like how NAruto would have his whiskers even without kurama
This is debunked by the fact that Jinchuriki keep their Bijuu's abilities after extraction. Gaara still kept his sand abilities and Kurama's influence gave Naruto his whiskers.
This is debunked by the fact that Jinchuriki keep their Bijuu's abilities after extraction. Gaara still kept his sand abilities and Kurama's influence gave Naruto his whiskers.
Gaara's father and grand father had similar Blood-line limits. I believe Naruto had whiskers before kurama's was sealed in him. Naruto got whiskers because kurama was in his Mom.
However I agree that if Juubi did grant the sage rinnegan, it wouldnt go away just because he removed the beast from his body. Like Naruto the chakra already altered his body, so it won't revert.
So6p does not belong to clan, some clan were born from him, the uzumaki clan been one that inherit his sealing jutsu or maybe they were a clan that he thought various sealing jutsu to during his time of going around the world n spreading his ninja ways and since they lived long he knew that one day those sealing jutsu would be needed.
That's not the loophole I noticed this is the equation
Uzumaki+juubi=senju and uchiha the mokuton(yang)and sharingan(yin)become the juubis Jin supposedly also giving him the rinnegan
Madara already has mokuton and the sharingan making him have the rinnegan already, whats suppose to happen if he becomes the juubis Jin then
He already has what the sage supposedly got from being its jin
I really don't think that he could have beat the Juubi without the Rinnegan first of all. Ok so he probably has massive amount of chakra and most likely Sage Mode, do you think Hashirama could beat the Juubi 1v1 with just his normal massive amounts of chakra and his Sage Mode? Sorry I like Hashi a lot but I doubt it. Anyone know if he went around teaching ninjutsu to everyone before or after the Juubi? Because I am pretty sure he would have had the Rinnegan when he went around teaching, and if he went around teaching before the Juubi he had the Rinnegan before he sealed the Juubi. Also if he had NO dojutsu at all before sealing the Juubi, why wouldn't he get the Juubi's eye instead of a Rinnegan? Naruto always gets Kurama's eyes when he uses his chakra, the other Jins probably do to. Why would the Sage have something dfferent? It doesn't make sense to me. But it makes perfect sense to me that the Elder Son had a different eye than his father if his father's Rinnegan was mutated by the Juubi's eye. Again if the Sage got the Rinnegan after the Juubi sealing, why would the Elder Son not get a complete Rinnegan? But if the Sage had the Rinnegan before the Juubi sealing, I think it makes sense his Elder Son would not have an exact Rinnegan but a mixture of his fathers Rinnegan and the Juubi's eye.
He did not lose the Rinnegan because the Jūbi's residual essence is still there. Even when he created his sons and created the 9 Bijūs, the key word is residual essence/imprint.
He did not lose the Rinnegan because the Jūbi's residual essence is still there. Even when he created his sons and created the 9 Bijūs, the key word is residual essence/imprint.
I'm sorry but I don't buy into that "residual" stuff. If he got the Rinnegan because he became a Jinchuuriki, he would lose it when he stopped being a Jinchuuriki. If Naruto lost Kurama would he still be able to go into KCM/BM? Would his eyes still be able to change into the Kyuubi's eyes? No. Same with Bee, same with Roshi, same with any of them. If he had the Rinnegan BEFORE he became a Jinchuuriki though, obviously he is still going to have his Rinnegan no matter what. It just makes more sense that he had the Rinnegan before he took on the Juubi, for that reason and for the reason it is the ****ing JUUBI and I don't see how he could beat it without the Rinnegan, even with his massive chakra/Sage Mode(most likely). Hashirama is the strongest ninja we know right now, he can't take on the Juubi 1v1 even with his Sage Mode and massive chakra. Madara can't either probably. Well Madara without Rinnegan, since then he'd just use the Sage's jutsus and be able to beat it. Obviously the Sage with the Rinnegan can absorb any attack the Juubi did, I just don't see how he could do it without the Rinnegan. I would imagine he sealed the Juubi into the moon the same time he became it's Jinchuuriki also, so he just knew how to use Chibaku Tensei within moments of getting the Rinnegan?
I'm sorry but I don't buy into that "residual" stuff. If he got the Rinnegan because he became a Jinchuuriki, he would lose it when he stopped being a Jinchuuriki. If Naruto lost Kurama would he still be able to go into KCM/BM? Would his eyes still be able to change into the Kyuubi's eyes? No. Same with Bee, same with Roshi, same with any of them. If he had the Rinnegan BEFORE he became a Jinchuuriki though, obviously he is still going to have his Rinnegan no matter what. It just makes more sense that he had the Rinnegan before he took on the Juubi, for that reason and for the reason it is the ****ing JUUBI and I don't see how he could beat it without the Rinnegan, even with his massive chakra/Sage Mode(most likely). Hashirama is the strongest ninja we know right now, he can't take on the Juubi 1v1 even with his Sage Mode and massive chakra. Madara can't either probably. Well Madara without Rinnegan, since then he'd just use the Sage's jutsus and be able to beat it. Obviously the Sage with the Rinnegan can absorb any attack the Juubi did, I just don't see how he could do it without the Rinnegan. I would imagine he sealed the Juubi into the moon the same time he became it's Jinchuuriki also, so he just knew how to use Chibaku Tensei within moments of getting the Rinnegan?
You are introducing a false dilemma, the residual essence of the Jūbi is still there so the Rinnegan does not "deactivate"
The Rinnegan is literally called the Eye of Samsara, the eye of suffering, if Rikūdo had the Rinnegan from birth it would be called the Eye of Boddhisatva or the eye of the sage, if Rikūdo acquired it from meditation or through knowledge the it would be called the Eye of Nirvana or the eye of enlightenment, the Rinnegan came from the Jūbi, it is a logical certainty.
My idea is that the sage had the eyes before becoming the jinchuriki of the juubi. I can't imagine how he will defeat the juubi with just mere jutsus and fight stles he needs something more powerful to be able to fight the juubi alone
My idea is that the sage had the eyes before becoming the jinchuriki of the juubi. I can't imagine how he will defeat the juubi with just mere jutsus and fight stles he needs something more powerful to be able to fight the juubi alone
I really don't think that he could have beat the Juubi without the Rinnegan first of all. Ok so he probably has massive amount of chakra and most likely Sage Mode, do you think Hashirama could beat the Juubi 1v1 with just his normal massive amounts of chakra and his Sage Mode? Sorry I like Hashi a lot but I doubt it. Anyone know if he went around teaching ninjutsu to everyone before or after the Juubi? Because I am pretty sure he would have had the Rinnegan when he went around teaching, and if he went around teaching before the Juubi he had the Rinnegan before he sealed the Juubi. Also if he had NO dojutsu at all before sealing the Juubi, why wouldn't he get the Juubi's eye instead of a Rinnegan? Naruto always gets Kurama's eyes when he uses his chakra, the other Jins probably do to. Why would the Sage have something dfferent? It doesn't make sense to me. But it makes perfect sense to me that the Elder Son had a different eye than his father if his father's Rinnegan was mutated by the Juubi's eye. Again if the Sage got the Rinnegan after the Juubi sealing, why would the Elder Son not get a complete Rinnegan? But if the Sage had the Rinnegan before the Juubi sealing, I think it makes sense his Elder Son would not have an exact Rinnegan but a mixture of his fathers Rinnegan and the Juubi's eye.
You are introducing a false dilemma, the residual essence of the Jūbi is still there so the Rinnegan does not "deactivate"
The Rinnegan is literally called the Eye of Samsara, the eye of suffering, if Rikūdo had the Rinnegan from birth it would be called the Eye of Boddhisatva or the eye of the sage, if Rikūdo acquired it from meditation or through knowledge the it would be called the Eye of Nirvana or the eye of enlightenment, the Rinnegan came from the Jūbi, it is a logical certainty.
Yeah I know I've seen you say that before, but just because he had it from birth does not mean Kishi automatically MUST call it the Eye of Nirvana or the Eye of Boddhisatva. Yes he obviously takes lots and lots of inspiration from Buddhism among other things, but that doesn't mean he follows them exactly, he picks what he wants sounds better. Nehangan would be Eye of Nirvana, Bosatsu-gan or Kanzeon-gan would be Eye of Boddhisatva. Obviously Rinnegan sounds better, and fits better with Sharingan. Look at the tailed beasts, the majority of them have nothing to do with the real life Bijuu mythology, only the 9 and 1 tails and pretty much what they are supposed to be, a Tanuki and a Kitsune, and mostly the 2 tails(although the real myth 2 tails is a cat with devil/angel wings, it is the pet of the Shinigami). Yamata no Orochi is the name for the Eight Tails, but obviously is Itacih's shield in the manga. Susanoo is a person who defeated eight tails, but obviously is the MS ability in the manga. Anyway the point is not everything absolutely HAS to be taken seriously, Kishi does what he wants.
Do you not agree that the Elder Son has the eyes he does because of the Juubi's influence effecting Rikudo's Rinnegan, making the Elder Son's eyes a mutation and not the Rinnegan? To me this would only happen if Rikudo had the Rinnegan beforehand, and the Juubi's eye/influence morphed the Elder Son's eyes into something different. If Rikudo got the Rinnegan after becoming the Jinchuuriki, why wouldn't his son just have the Rinnegan, the mutation already would have happened in Rikudo, so his eyes should have been passed down as they were. And if Rikudo got dojutsu after he became the Jinchuuriki, why would he get the Rinnegan and not an exact copy of the Juubi's eye? Every other Jinchuuriki pretty much gets an exact copy of whatever the Bijuu is. But not Rikudo?
Yeah I know I've seen you say that before, but just because he had it from birth does not mean Kishi automatically MUST call it the Eye of Nirvana or the Eye of Boddhisatva. Yes he obviously takes lots and lots of inspiration from Buddhism among other things, but that doesn't mean he follows them exactly, he picks what he wants sounds better. Nehangan would be Eye of Nirvana, Bosatsu-gan or Kanzeon-gan would be Eye of Boddhisatva. Obviously Rinnegan sounds better, and fits better with Sharingan. Look at the tailed beasts, the majority of them have nothing to do with the real life Bijuu mythology, only the 9 and 1 tails and pretty much what they are supposed to be, a Tanuki and a Kitsune, and mostly the 2 tails(although the real myth 2 tails is a cat with devil/angel wings, it is the pet of the Shinigami). Yamata no Orochi is the name for the Eight Tails, but obviously is Itacih's shield in the manga. Susanoo is a person who defeated eight tails, but obviously is the MS ability in the manga. Anyway the point is not everything absolutely HAS to be taken seriously, Kishi does what he wants.
Do you not agree that the Elder Son has the eyes he does because of the Juubi's influence effecting Rikudo's Rinnegan, making the Elder Son's eyes a mutation and not the Rinnegan? To me this would only happen if Rikudo had the Rinnegan beforehand, and the Juubi's eye/influence morphed the Elder Son's eyes into something different. If Rikudo got the Rinnegan after becoming the Jinchuuriki, why wouldn't his son just have the Rinnegan, the mutation already would have happened in Rikudo, so his eyes should have been passed down as they were. And if Rikudo got dojutsu after he became the Jinchuuriki, why would he get the Rinnegan and not an exact copy of the Juubi's eye? Every other Jinchuuriki pretty much gets an exact copy of whatever the Bijuu is. But not Rikudo?
What you're ascertaining is logical but without merit.
We know the Senju represent the Yang and Uchiha the Yin. The Juubi's eye, superimposed to remove the Tomoes is LITERALLY THE RINNEGAN. How can the two sons be so evenly divided chakra wise to represent each spectrum of chakra (Yin and Yang)? Logical deduction dictates that the Sage used Creation of All things; the highest from of Yin-Yang release to create his sons for each type of chakra. At the time, he was the Juubi's Jin. So the chakra comprising the sons is most likely more correlated to the Juubi than the Sage because at the time, Rikudou's main chakra source was the Juubi.
Hence why it is hypothesized; Senju (Juubi's Yang - Mokuton displayed by the Juubi) + Uchiha (Juubi's Yin - Displayed by the Tomoes on its eye which is exemplified by the Uchiha's themselves) = The Rinnegan. Therefore, reverse engineering the bloodlines that were created/influenced the sons will give you the eye of the God itself. And under this assertion, someone who has the Juubi's essence (The comprised Bijuu, or the Juubi inside itself) can awaken the Rinnegan.
Right now, everything we theorize about the Sage, his sons, the Juubi and the Rinnegan are only theories, and it will all be answered when the Sage is shown in the manga.
Do you not agree that the Elder Son has the eyes he does because of the Juubi's influence effecting Rikudo's Rinnegan, making the Elder Son's eyes a mutation and not the Rinnegan? To me this would only happen if Rikudo had the Rinnegan beforehand, and the Juubi's eye/influence morphed the Elder Son's eyes into something different. If Rikudo got the Rinnegan after becoming the Jinchuuriki, why wouldn't his son just have the Rinnegan, the mutation already would have happened in Rikudo, so his eyes should have been passed down as they were. And if Rikudo got dojutsu after he became the Jinchuuriki, why would he get the Rinnegan and not an exact copy of the Juubi's eye? Every other Jinchuuriki pretty much gets an exact copy of whatever the Bijuu is. But not Rikudo?
The Elder son does not have the Rinnegan because he is comprised of the Juubi's Yin, much like the Younger Son who is comprised of the Juubi's Yang, and you need both Yin (Uchiha DNA) and Yang (Senju DNA) of the Juubi to awaken the Rinnegan.
The Rinnegan is the regulated Doujutsu of the Juubi's Yin-Yang that is why it is purple in coloration and lacking the Tomoes, Rikudou made it that way so it wouldn't corrupt/influence the user it is the regulated/distilled Dojutsu of the Juubi's Yin and Yang
And you are gravely mistaken if you think Rikudou's sons were born from natural conception, or that their powers were inherited genetically, far from it, the Elder and Younger Sons were created with The Creation of All Things ( Banbutsu Sōzō) Jutsu like the Bijuus, the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors are literally the divided Yin and Yang of the Juubi.
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One god (Juubi) was divided into Yin (Uchiha) and Yang (Senju)
