Kimimaro vs Lee

[AGoodBoy]

Now people are saying Gai can't kill Kimimaro.

Ridiculous.

Not with what he's shown. Hirudora and nunchaka gets tanked easily. His best bet is to free kimi with morning peacock but that won't pass bone armour and kimi will heal

 

[genii96]

If you read the entire argument, you would know that bone does not absorb impact forces like sand can. This is exactly what most of my argument was made for. In fact, the bones will just carry the force straight to anything else that its touching. Its not his skeletal frame we are talking about, but his internal organs, which are vulnerable to impact forces.

Because bones are not made to withstand impact forces (that's what the muscles are for) they will either break or carry the force through to anything that is touching it according to the law conservation of momentum.

this theory works for the bones of a normal person. Kimimaro dosent have the skeletal frame of a normal person. Gaara's sand armour was solidified like metal around his body,which is why it cracked when hit,it wasnt free flowing sand. Even if what you said is true about the bones,it dosent work for kimi,he survived gaara's first sand coffin by putting a layer of bone on his skin,the pressure of gaara's sand coffin,can liquify a full grown man didnt hurt kimi's body. Also bones actually absorb impacts,cuz whe you hear of a guy with a broken rib,that means the rib took a blow,and had it not taken it,that blow would have damages sme organs. Even if a normal human bone cant absorb impact like sand,kimi can alter his bone shape and density,which would allow him do so,like when he caught gated lee's kick with his bones,or tanked a giant sand burial which can crush steel.

 

[Zexion~]

Kimi Wins ..

 

[Draegod]

Its not flawed because sand can absorb damage unlike bone, which is hard and can only can only transfer the impact force of the blows since its obvious that his muscles cannot withstand the force of gated attacks.

The next few scans prove that gaara would not have survived the last blow or would have suffered serious damage and proves that only he could survive it because of his ability to absorb blows.

In fact, every single time someone survived a gates tech, it was because the blows were cushioned, otherwise the person was out of commission.

EX:
Sound ninja vs Lee - An ally sound ninja softened the earth so that his head was cushioned on the way down.

Gaara vs Lee - Gaaras sand absorbed most of the damage.

Guy vs Kisame(last battle) - The water was able to cushion kisame from the full force.

I would love to agree to disagree, but you just don't seem to understand how forces work through bone. Because of its composition, bones carries force through it, meaning if he tries to defend himself with bone that its not gonna protect him from the blows. With his bone defense meaningless, its all up to his muscles to protect him, which it wont because of the power of gated attacks, meaning that Kimmimaro is just about as vulnerable as anyone else.

BTW what I'm saying is not just logic, but a part of the natural laws of physics.

A thin layer of sand on the body isnt absorbing anything in real life (fact of real life), you dont get it that in the real world gaara should at least be in the hospital.

Gaara's sand funeral is instant death (manga fact) the crush is so fast and instant that one wouldnt even know they died or felt pain (manga fact). If something so fast and pressure that instantly crushed was to affect kimmi, he should at the very least should have been affected. but he wasnt correct?

You have no proof that kimmis bones does not absorb contact from blows, but there is proof that extreme 360 force had no affect on him what so ever. so its safe to say based on teh manga that no amount of force could affect him.

And you still dont get that, why would his organs move if it is perfectly packed to not move out of place?

you literally have no proof of you logic, and deny the scan of gaara and kisame surviving.

fact is your logic is flawed.

when ppl braced them selfs from impact, nothing is "loose" or will be moved when playing football. Hell even a blind side hit doesnt knock anything out of place.

Your logic is not proven nor does it make any sense!!

If you cant destoy his bones, you cannot kill him! It doesnt matter what you think. its manga fact! the man was crushed by the earth and still came out of no where

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Where are his organs? inside the entire bone forest? WHat you fail to realise is his kgg allows him to do anything with his calcium and bones. His healing rate is unmatched!

Funfact: with out a spine everything is affected and you die!
But kimi pulled his spine out and his nervouse system was not affected! WHy is that?
It was just because he made a new spine, it is also because he heals everything in his body!

 

[Curse Mark]

All humans when in car accidents have all of their organs slide and smash around. I'm surprised people here haven't heard of, oh I don't know. Concussions or internal damage? But this shouldn't even effect Kimmi because clearly he is protected from internal damage even in CM1 when he survived something that turned other ninjas into literally a bloody pulp.

 

[AGoodBoy]

All humans when in car accidents have all of their organs slide and smash around. I'm surprised people here haven't heard of, oh I don't know. Concussions or internal damage? But this shouldn't even effect Kimmi because clearly he is protected from internal damage even in CM1 when he survived something that turned other ninjas into literally a bloody pulp.

We've already discussed concussions.
Internal injuries happen because muscle tries to absorb the impact but force was too much so internals directly felt it. It's nothing to do with whiplash. In fact, whiplash affects the muscle.

P.S I have first hand experience with a high speed crash. Bones were broken but no olinternals were damaged since there was always a bone to absorb the impact(arm, leg, hip, etc) in the way of the direct impact. High motion won't affect organs in torso, only your brain (I and passenger blacked out).

Anyway, kishis logic dictates that ninja don't get concussed since it's never been seen.

Edit: forgot to add: kimi always has a layer of bone protecting his internals. So there's nothing like hitting abdominal muscle, or wind pipe. Or anything. Its always you hitting a layer of bone (directly under his skin) that's harder than chakra enhanced steel

 

[Curse Mark]

I agree that Kimmimaro wins and you basically restated everything I had already believed when entering the thread... so.... thanks....?

 

[AGoodBoy]

I agree that Kimmimaro wins and you basically restated everything I had already believed when entering the thread... so.... thanks....?

I was clearing up the internal damage and concussion thing since you assume we've never heard of it. I also decided to add extra to reinfotlrce the point for fastr but you're welcomed.

 

[Professor Finesser]

Kimimaro, I just can't see Lee winning

 

[Curse Mark]

There is one thing you guys are not even considering and have completely disregarded when talking about Kimmmimaro:

Bones. Don't. Absorb. Shock.

Everyone keeps mentioning a bone layer around his organs, but his bones(yes even his bones which are still human bones so they are still made of the same stuff) will only transfer the impact to anything beneath it. Hardness does not matter because the bones are still made of the same material as other bones, making it just as likely to transfer shock as anyone else's bones. There is nothing really special about his bones like you guys are trying so damn hard to make it seem like when all he can do is control its growth speed, growth location, and density(which at maximum density is the actually limit of human bone density. NOTHING special about that other than that all he does is keeps his bones at max density unlike other humans who cant.)

The human body can withstand up to 4g's so that's really nothing at all.



The ribs are made to bend a bit when you breath so that your lungs can expand a bit. The solar plexus itself is made of cartilage, which is much more flexible than solid bone, so that the ribs can expand and contract a bit more that usual.

Not even worth reading because if his brains couldn't absorb force he would have been dead after Gaara's coffin.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Ninjas don't get concussions according to kishi.

Also, fighter pilots can take beyond 12g's without passing out.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I've experienced beyond 1g and rapid deceleration.

Anyway, kimi bone isn't conventional bone. His bone armor may not even be attached to anything for all we know. The way his bone works isn't the same as humans so other than breaking it, kimi won't feel anything from a hit to the solar plexus. I'd feel something because there's no bone there and there's gaps between my ribs so they can be broken, but he basically has a skull over his entire body. His internals won't feel any force impact, only after shock from high-speed motion. If high speed couldn't kill gaara, it won't kill kimi. Kimi will recover like gases did and finish exhausted Lee off.

And that's assuming kimi doesn't simply create a spike pit to impale Lee, or cushion the blows like he did with 1 gate Lee.

this theory works for the bones of a normal person. Kimimaro dosent have the skeletal frame of a normal person. Gaara's sand armour was solidified like metal around his body,which is why it cracked when hit,it wasnt free flowing sand. Even if what you said is true about the bones,it dosent work for kimi,he survived gaara's first sand coffin by putting a layer of bone on his skin,the pressure of gaara's sand coffin,can liquify a full grown man didnt hurt kimi's body. Also bones actually absorb impacts,cuz whe you hear of a guy with a broken rib,that means the rib took a blow,and had it not taken it,that blow would have damages sme organs. Even if a normal human bone cant absorb impact like sand,kimi can alter his bone shape and density,which would allow him do so,like when he caught gated lee's kick with his bones,or tanked a giant sand burial which can crush steel.

A thin layer of sand on the body isnt absorbing anything in real life (fact of real life), you dont get it that in the real world gaara should at least be in the hospital.

Gaara's sand funeral is instant death (manga fact) the crush is so fast and instant that one wouldnt even know they died or felt pain (manga fact). If something so fast and pressure that instantly crushed was to affect kimmi, he should at the very least should have been affected. but he wasnt correct?

You have no proof that kimmis bones does not absorb contact from blows, but there is proof that extreme 360 force had no affect on him what so ever. so its safe to say based on teh manga that no amount of force could affect him.

And you still dont get that, why would his organs move if it is perfectly packed to not move out of place?

you literally have no proof of you logic, and deny the scan of gaara and kisame surviving.

fact is your logic is flawed.

when ppl braced them selfs from impact, nothing is "loose" or will be moved when playing football. Hell even a blind side hit doesnt knock anything out of place.

Your logic is not proven nor does it make any sense!!

If you cant destoy his bones, you cannot kill him! It doesnt matter what you think. its manga fact! the man was crushed by the earth and still came out of no where

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Where are his organs? inside the entire bone forest? WHat you fail to realise is his kgg allows him to do anything with his calcium and bones. His healing rate is unmatched!

Funfact: with out a spine everything is affected and you die!
But kimi pulled his spine out and his nervouse system was not affected! WHy is that?
It was just because he made a new spine, it is also because he heals everything in his body!

We've already discussed concussions.
Internal injuries happen because muscle tries to absorb the impact but force was too much so internals directly felt it. It's nothing to do with whiplash. In fact, whiplash affects the muscle.

P.S I have first hand experience with a high speed crash. Bones were broken but no olinternals were damaged since there was always a bone to absorb the impact(arm, leg, hip, etc) in the way of the direct impact. High motion won't affect organs in torso, only your brain (I and passenger blacked out).

Anyway, kishis logic dictates that ninja don't get concussed since it's never been seen.

Edit: forgot to add: kimi always has a layer of bone protecting his internals. So there's nothing like hitting abdominal muscle, or wind pipe. Or anything. Its always you hitting a layer of bone (directly under his skin) that's harder than chakra enhanced steel

There is one thing you guys are not even considering and have completely disregarded when talking about Kimmmimaro:

Bones. Don't. Absorb. Shock.

Everyone keeps mentioning a bone layer around his organs, but his bones(yes even his bones which are still human bones so they are still made of the same stuff) will only transfer the impact to anything beneath it. Hardness does not matter because the bones are still made of the same material as other bones, making it just as likely to transfer shock as anyone else's bones. There is nothing really special about his bones like you guys are trying so damn hard to make it seem like when all he can do is control its growth speed, growth location, and density(which at maximum density is the actually limit of human bone density. NOTHING special about that other than that all he does is keeps his bones at max density unlike other humans who cant.)

I've experienced beyond 1g and rapid deceleration.

The human body can withstand up to 5g's before passing out so that's really nothing at all.

Also bones actually absorb impacts,cuz whe you hear of a guy with a broken rib,that means the rib took a blow, and had it not taken it, that blow would have damages some organs.

The ribs are made to bend a bit when you breath so that your lungs can expand a bit. The solar plexus itself is made of cartilage, which is much more flexible than solid bone, so that the ribs can expand and contract a bit more that usual.

A thin layer of sand on the body isnt absorbing anything in real life (fact of real life), you dont get it that in the real world gaara should at least be in the hospital.

You seem to forget that this is naruto. His sand is infused with chakra. Not only that, but his armor is sand is nowhere as resilient as the sand shield, since it easily breaks away upon impact, indicating that the sole purpose of the armor is to absorb impact channelled unto Gaara's body during battle.

You are trying to compare gaaras sand funeral(which is a PRESSURE force) to the Lotus, (high velocity IMPACT force) which cannot be compared at ALL. Bones are made to withstand pressure and is one of their main jobs so that the muscles don't break them every time a muscle is engaged. (The humerous bone by itself can withstand weight in excess of 1 ton before actually snapping, oh and BTW, weight is a PRESSURE force)

Until you can differentiate between the two forces, I see little in finishing the rest of the conversation with you specifically.

One last thing you guys keep mentioning and giving examples of it high speed impacts against people in real life scenarios, but this situation is different because everyone in those situations have some sort of limbs/muscles to brace themselves with which is not the same with Kimmimaro since but Lee will be attacking the abdominal area to do damage which will be exposed during the time that Lee is thrashing him about just like in his fight with gaara. Since bones don't absorb damage like the sand armor, it will transfer the force to the abdominal muscles which for SURE can handle the beating and proceed t mess up the inner organs beneath.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Not even worth reading because if his brains couldn't absorb force he would have been dead after Gaara's coffin.

Again, lack of understanding the difference between PRESSURE force and IMPACT force is at work here.

I would suggest reading up on the difference between the 2.

Ninjas don't get concussions according to kishi.

Also, fighter pilots can take beyond 12g's without passing out.

Lets not forget that these pilots are physically TRAINED and well prepared to withstand high-gs without passing out.

 

[AGoodBoy]

There is one thing you guys are not even considering and have completely disregarded when talking about Kimmmimaro:

Bones. Don't. Absorb. Shock.

Everyone keeps mentioning a bone layer around his organs, but his bones(yes even his bones which are still human bones so they are still made of the same stuff) will only transfer the impact to anything beneath it. Hardness does not matter because the bones are still made of the same material as other bones, making it just as likely to transfer shock as anyone else's bones. There is nothing really special about his bones like you guys are trying so damn hard to make it seem like when all he can do is control its growth speed, growth location, and density(which at maximum density is the actually limit of human bone density. NOTHING special about that other than that all he does is keeps his bones at max density unlike other humans who cant.)

The human body can withstand up to 5g's before passing out so that's really nothing at all.



The ribs are made to bend a bit when you breath so that your lungs can expand a bit. The solar plexus itself is made of cartilage, which is much more flexible than solid bone, so that the ribs can expand and contract a bit more that usual.



You seem to forget that this is naruto. His sand is infused with chakra. Not only that, but his armor is sand is nowhere as resilient as the sand shield, since it easily breaks away upon impact, indicating that the sole purpose of the armor is to absorb impact channelled unto Gaara's body during battle.

You are trying to compare gaaras sand funeral(which is a PRESSURE force) to the Lotus, (high velocity IMPACT force) which cannot be compared at ALL. Bones are made to withstand pressure and is one of their main jobs so that the muscles don't break them every time a muscle is engaged. (The humerous bone by itself can withstand a pressure force in excess of 1 ton before actually snapping, oh and BTW, weight is a PRESSURE force)

Until you can differentiate between the two forces, I see little in finishing the rest of the conversation with you specifically.

One last thing you guys keep mentioning and giving examples of it high speed impacts against people in real life scenarios, but this situation is different because everyone in those situations have some sort of limbs/muscles to brace themselves with which is not the same with Kimmimaro since but Lee will be attacking the abdominal area to do damage which will be exposed during the time that kimmimaro is thrashing him about just like in his fight with gaara. Since bones don't absorb damage like the sand armor, it will transfer the force to the abdominal muscles which for SURE can handle the beating and proceed t mess up the inner organs beneath.

I don't get your last point. What would button his abdomen do when he has a layer of bone like anywhere else?

Also, the impact has to ditlrectly hit the organ to do damage. I.e compressed ribs, compressed abdomen etc. Hitting kimi's bone won't transfer the shock. Its like hitting a shield. If you were to swing a bat at a shield, the person would only feel the pulse of the hit ripple through their body. Better yet, if u wore samurai armor and was hit with a sledge hammer, unless the armor broke/deformed, you would only feel the after shock. You'd have 0 injury. Your organs, except brain, need to be directly hit or you won't be injured. And, hence, you won't injury Mimi's internals unless you bend/snap his bone and deform it enough to send a direct hit to one of his internals.

Lastly chakra infused sand can't cushion a high impact force. It would have to 'reaction force' at that exact instant, with an almost equal force to even remotely cushion the blow. At high speed, that's impossible since gaara wouldn't know when to start a cushion effect. In short, gaara:'s sand is exactly like kimi's bone. An armor. His thin layer of tightly packed sand can't effectively cushion a blow any better than kimi's bone.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Again, lack of understanding the difference between PRESSURE force and IMPACT force is at work here.

I would suggest reading up on the difference between the 2.



Lets not forget that these pilots are physically TRAINED and well prepared to withstand high-gs without passing out.

And ninja who fight other ninja that can move at speeds beyond the eye can see won't train to withstand enhanced g's? That's assuming Lee can even produce a hit beyond 40m/s (roughly) which is insanely high acceleration for a person to punch a person at.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I don't get your last point. What would button his abdomen do when he has a layer of bone like anywhere else?

Also, the impact has to ditlrectly hit the organ to do damage. I.e compressed ribs, compressed abdomen etc. Hitting kimi's bone won't transfer the shock. Its like hitting a shield. If you were to swing a bat at a shield, the person would only feel the pulse of the hit ripple through their body. Better yet, if u wore samurai armor and was hit with a sledge hammer, unless the armor broke/deformed, you would only feel the after shock. You'd have 0 injury. Your organs, except brain, need to be directly hit or you won't be injured. And, hence, you won't injury Mimi's internals unless you bend/snap his bone and deform it enough to send a direct hit to one of his internals.

Lastly chakra infused sand can't cushion a high impact force. It would have to 'reaction force' at that exact instant, with an almost equal force to even remotely cushion the blow. At high speed, that's impossible since gaara wouldn't know when to start a cushion effect. In short, gaara:'s sand is exactly like kimi's bone. An armor. His thin layer of tightly packed sand can't effectively cushion a blow any better than kimi's bone.

Everything is directly connected to each other. It goes like this in the abdominal area: Skin/Muscles/Organs. There is no space in between, so because of this, according to the law of the conservation of momentum, the force will carry all the way to his organs.

If you were hit with a sledgehammer in any kind of armor, then you would be in trouble. Armor was made mostly to defend against piercing and cutting attacks, not blunt force trauma like a sledge hammer or cannon fire.

There is always a reaction force to everything when hit, but the armor crumbles away pretty easily when struck, meaning that its not meant to withstand blows, but to cushion it, otherwise it wouldn't have broken off, which is something that normal armor doesn't do when struck by any force at all.

And ninja who fight other ninja that can move at speeds beyond the eye can see won't train to withstand enhanced g's? That's assuming Lee can even produce a hit beyond 40m/s (roughly) which is insanely high acceleration for a person to punch a person at.

They aren't trained specifically for the speeds at which Lee will be moving because its not something they will usually encounter. Only people who can move a high speeds like Guy/Lee and the raikages have resistance to those types of forces since they use if much more than any average person.

Also you should read this:

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Quite an interesting read actually.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Everything is directly connected to each other. It goes like this in the abdominal area: Skin/Muscles/Organs. There is no space in between, so because of this, according to the law of the conservation of momentum, the force will carry all the way to his organs.

If you were hit with a sledgehammer in any kind of armor, then you would be in trouble. Armor was made mostly to defend against piercing and cutting attacks, not blunt force trauma like a sledge hammer or cannon fire.

There is always a reaction force to everything when hit, but the armor crumbles away pretty easily when struck, meaning that its not meant to withstand blows, but to cushion it, otherwise it wouldn't have broken off, which is something that normal armor doesn't do when struck by any force at all.



They aren't trained specifically for the speeds at which Lee will be moving because its not something they will usually encounter. Only people who can move a high speeds like Guy/Lee and the raikages have resistance to those types of forces since they use if much more than any average person.

Also you should read this:

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Quite an interesting read actually.

I think you're thinking of chainmail. Body armor is meant to take blunt, slash and stab. Chainmail is stab and slash. Body armor is only less effective against blunt because it can injure you if a hard enough hit is produced which deforms it.

You seem to enjoy using the conventional human anatomy for a guy who can remove his bones. Create bone armor, etc. Muscle, organ, skin can no longer be attached when there's bone in the way.

Conservation of momentum doesn't mean his internals are injured.
It means that Mimi's stationary body now acquires the momentum of the attacker so his body and organs start moving in that given direction. The force isn't carried through to the bone and damaging organs because of shock. The organs weren't deformed, stretched, compressed, or anything rapidly. Kimi's body started to move in one direction so his organs followed since they're tightly packed. Without getting hit through the muscles/bones deforming, the organs simply displace slightly and follow the body in its new motion. At best there is partial bruising, if that, since there is little room for the organs to also against anything. Without being hit, or having room to slam into anything( brain in skull), the organs don't feel an impact force. You simply feel the shock and the organs gain the velocity of the body. The brain is the only thing to bruise. And this is only because it has a few cm to slam against the skull back and forth. I.e, the brain is bruised from being HIT, whether directly or through slamming against the wall of the skull. Organs simply have other organs, muscle, fat, tendons, etc to cushion their blow. Without a solid object to hit them( inside of skull) they're cushioned by the impact (maybe you hurl from your stomach being severely compressed) then they follow the velocity of the body.

There is plenty of cushion in the body. You NEED to break kimi's bones.

Lastly, ninja don't get concussed. I'm on a phone by plaza don't let me get you the gaara vs Lee scans. Sand armor would stop impact force, not rapid acceleration and deceleration. Its not an airbag.


An object at rest will stay at rest, and an object in motion will stay in motion, until acted upon by an external force.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Momentum is always conserved.
Energy is neither created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
Compression force is the force applied to deform a material.
Impact force is a sudden force applied on a given object.

Blah, blah, blah. All somewhat paraphrased.

Edit: I meant accelerating the person to 4g's with a punch, not a punch at 4g's.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I think you're thinking of chainmail. Body armor is meant to take blunt, slash and stab. Chainmail is stab and slash. Body armor is only less effective against blunt because it can injure you if a hard enough hit is produced which deforms it.

You seem to enjoy using the conventional human anatomy for a guy who can remove his bones. Create bone armor, etc. Muscle, organ, skin can no longer be attached when there's bone in the way.

Conservation of momentum doesn't mean his internals are injured.
It means that Mimi's stationary body now acquires the momentum of the attacker so his body and organs start moving in that given direction. The force isn't carried through to the bone and damaging organs because of shock. The organs weren't deformed, stretched, compressed, or anything rapidly. Kimi's body started to move in one direction so his organs followed since they're tightly packed. Without getting hit through the muscles/bones deforming, the organs simply displace slightly and follow the body in its new motion. At best there is partial bruising, if that, since there is little room for the organs to also against anything. Without being hit, or having room to slam into anything( brain in skull), the organs don't feel an impact force. You simply feel the shock and the organs gain the velocity of the body. The brain is the only thing to bruise. And this is only because it has a few cm to slam against the skull back and forth. I.e, the brain is bruised from being HIT, whether directly or through slamming against the wall of the skull. Organs simply have other organs, muscle, fat, tendons, etc to cushion their blow. Without a solid object to hit them( inside of skull) they're cushioned by the impact (maybe you hurl from your stomach being severely compressed) then they follow the velocity of the body.

There is plenty of cushion in the body. You NEED to break kimi's bones.

Lastly, ninja don't get concussed. I'm on a phone by plaza don't let me get you the gaara vs Lee scans. Sand armor would stop impact force, not rapid acceleration and deceleration. Its not an airbag.


An object at rest will stay at rest, and an object in motion will stay in motion, until acted upon by an external force.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Momentum is always conserved.
Energy is neither created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
Compression force is the force applied to deform a material.
Impact force is a sudden force applied on a given object.

Blah, blah, blah. All somewhat paraphrased.

Edit: I meant accelerating the person to 4g's with a punch, not a punch at 4g's.

It can take SOME blunt force damage, but not from a sledgehammer like you are suggesting.

Again, the difference between him and any other person is that he can control his bones growth rate, location of growth, and density up to the human limit.

I combined the conservation of momentum with
an object at rest will stay at rest, and an object in motion will stay in motion, until acted upon by an external force,
every action has an equal and opposite reaction,
and impacting force

to get the results of what would happen to Kimmis body.

the conservation of momentum is just to show that his organs will also acquire the momentum of the force, and because organs by themselves cant handle this kind of force by itself and since bones only transfer the force because of what its made of, eventually, a repeated beating from Lee will result in damaged organs. His abdomen is hit first, so its the first part that will start accelerating. The rest of the body gains the momentum of the impacted area because its connected directly through the abdomen, not the other way around.

Sand armor would stop impact force, not rapid acceleration and deceleration. Its not an airbag.

Impact force IS rapid acceleraction and deceleration. That's the basic definition of an impact force. Its not an air bag, but the way it functions is relative to having a person putting a impact resistant material over their body because otherwise, Gaara would have felt the entire impact and been severely hurt by Lee's constant barrage of blows.

Here is an example from before that I mentioned about what it would be like to be hit by the lotus:

imagine being hit full force in the chest and abdominal areas by a professional baseball player with a metal baseball bat many times over again at high speed without moving at all to protect yourself, but the blows are in more of a concentrated point that a general horizontal area. Something will eventually burst or break from the high speed velocity of the impact forces and its the same basic concept of the lotus.

The only difference is that with Kimmimaro there will be a small amount of bone covering underneath the skin. Bones cant withstand impact forces, so the force will be transferred to the muscles beneath (which cant handle that much force at all) and then to the organs.

 

[Draegod]

There is one thing you guys are not even considering and have completely disregarded when talking about Kimmmimaro:

Bones. Don't. Absorb. Shock.

Everyone keeps mentioning a bone layer around his organs, but his bones(yes even his bones which are still human bones so they are still made of the same stuff) will only transfer the impact to anything beneath it. Hardness does not matter because the bones are still made of the same material as other bones, making it just as likely to transfer shock as anyone else's bones. There is nothing really special about his bones like you guys are trying so damn hard to make it seem like when all he can do is control its growth speed, growth location, and density(which at maximum density is the actually limit of human bone density. NOTHING special about that other than that all he does is keeps his bones at max density unlike other humans who cant.)

The human body can withstand up to 5g's before passing out so that's really nothing at all.



The ribs are made to bend a bit when you breath so that your lungs can expand a bit. The solar plexus itself is made of cartilage, which is much more flexible than solid bone, so that the ribs can expand and contract a bit more that usual.



You seem to forget that this is naruto. His sand is infused with chakra. Not only that, but his armor is sand is nowhere as resilient as the sand shield, since it easily breaks away upon impact, indicating that the sole purpose of the armor is to absorb impact channelled unto Gaara's body during battle.

You are trying to compare gaaras sand funeral(which is a PRESSURE force) to the Lotus, (high velocity IMPACT force) which cannot be compared at ALL. Bones are made to withstand pressure and is one of their main jobs so that the muscles don't break them every time a muscle is engaged. (The humerous bone by itself can withstand weight in excess of 1 ton before actually snapping, oh and BTW, weight is a PRESSURE force)

Until you can differentiate between the two forces, I see little in finishing the rest of the conversation with you specifically.

One last thing you guys keep mentioning and giving examples of it high speed impacts against people in real life scenarios, but this situation is different because everyone in those situations have some sort of limbs/muscles to brace themselves with which is not the same with Kimmimaro since but Lee will be attacking the abdominal area to do damage which will be exposed during the time that Lee is thrashing him about just like in his fight with gaara. Since bones don't absorb damage like the sand armor, it will transfer the force to the abdominal muscles which for SURE can handle the beating and proceed t mess up the inner organs beneath.

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That hit is hard as fuq!!!! Normaly!.... But he reduced teh impact and power behind it with out budging back a mm! His bones did not break, they literally "absorbed the impact"

That is manga fact! And its also fact that he heals from the inside aswell around his organs!

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Now let me show you what the spine is connected to and responsible for!

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What would happen if the spine is injured?

The spinal cord is made up of millions of nerve cells that send projections up and down the cord and out into other parts of the body. The information that allows us to sit, run, go to the toilet and breathe travels along these projections, called nerves.

When the spinal cord is injured, the initial trauma causes cell damage and destruction, and triggers a cascade of events that spread around the injury site affecting a number of different types of cells. Axons are crushed and torn, and oligodendrocytes, the nerve cells that make up the insulating myelin sheath around axons, begin to die. Exposed axons degenerate, the connection between neurons is disrupted and the flow of information between the brain and the spinal cord is blocked.

The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently. Patients may end up with severe movement and sensation disabilities. They will generally be paralyzed and without sensation from the level of the injury downwards.

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This actually shows he heals the inside aswell in terms of replacing cells instantly!

Kimmi also can repare destroyed cells! (thought you knew this) and forming bones! (

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So him getting damaged from the insides is irrelevant, as he repairs "DESTROYED CELLS". I told you before; his healing rate is only match by tsunade and hashi! He has the perfect body (if healthy)!

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As you can see, the Muscles around his bones healed instantly after his shoulder bone was pulled out! (fact) So just in case you havent gotten it yet, he can heal anything that involves Cells and bones (which is everything if you havent firgured it out yet bro. Fact)

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That hit is hard as fuq!!!! Normaly!.... But he reduced teh impact and power behind it with out budging back a mm! His bones did not break, they literally "absorbed the impact"

That is manga fact! And its also fact that he heals from the inside aswell around his organs!

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Now let me show you what the spine is connected to and responsible for!

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What would happen if the spine is injured?



This actually shows he heals the inside aswell in terms of replacing cells instantly!

Kimmi also can repare destroyed cells! (thought you knew this) and forming bones! (

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)

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So him getting damaged from the insides is irrelevant, as he repairs "DESTROYED CELLS". I told you before; his healing rate is only match by tsunade and hashi! He has the perfect body (if healthy)!

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As you can see, the Muscles around his bones healed instantly after his shoulder bone was pulled out! (fact) So just in case you havent gotten it yet, he can heal anything that involves Cells and bones (which is everything if you havent firgured it out yet bro. Fact)

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His bones jutted out at the last second and basically "caught" the kick. The bones were not in front of his foot, it was grabbing onto his leg, otherwise he would have been knocked back quite a ways from the impact force.

Anyways, kimmi can only regenerate bones cells and heal any flesh injuries, not just any cells, The cells he was referring to in that scan you posted was just a continuation about him creating and destroying any bone cells.