[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga 333 Discussion and 334 Predictions

[Typhon]

I think the way time exists in FT needs to be explained a little more so that we understand how a paradox situation would affect it. Perhaps Ultear will be able to shed some light on it, because as of now there may be some issues.

If Rogue is killed, then this creates a paradox. If Rogue dies now, then F. Rogue would have never existed and would have never traveled back in time, which means that current Rogue would have never been killed by Ultear. But that means that current Rogue would have became F. Rogue and traveled back in time, thus creating a never-ending circle.

For that reason I don't think current Rogue can be killed.

BUT, if current Rogue isn't killed, that means Future Lucy dies. That means that current Lucy dies in seven years, which I can't see happening even if it doesn't actually affect the manga. The only way to prevent that is to kill current Rogue and prevent future Lucy from coming back in time and being killed.

For that reason I think current Rogue has to be killed.

The only way I see this working out is if Ultear's magic has some way of dealing with Paradoxes. Maybe something that allows the current timeline to veer off onto a new path thus creating an alternate universe, which we know exist thanks to Edolas.

 

[tmlms13]

(FL and CL = Future and Current Lucy, FR and CR = Rogue)

My question is that there are now two futures as pointed out in the chart, and one from each future came back to our current time path? wtf

Here is why I hate time travel:

1st future has FL come back with no FR. FL didn't tell CL how to prevent the 10000 dragons, that means FL didn't know where they came from. She was at the Gate during FR's and CL's time, where was FL when the gate was opened, she would have known and told CL. Until the gate was opened CL said I won't close it.

The other problem with FR. If CL closes the gate during FR's period how does FR know that Dragons are in it? CR wasn't at the gate, did someone tell FR in between 791 and 798 that there was a gate with 10000 dragons in it 7 years ago that was closed by CL? Who would have done that? I cant remember but I think the only people who where there were the current FT members, the Princess, and the army people.

And FR was surprised to see FL, so there has to be 3 "different" times, one where the world is destroyed by 10k dragons (FL), one where it isnt (FR), and one where a person claiming to be a FL and FR come back in time. They just happen to know what the end of the GMG was. They are not changing anything, they only have a perception that they are changing something because the "think" they are from future. Our time period invented people from the future, where as in FL's and FR's "time period" there is was no Future people at the GMG, and then either dragons or no dragons. Likely in our third future there is no people going back in time in 798. Nothing is being "changed".

As I said there must be 3 time periods, which means that the chart makes no sense, it has to be 3 fully versicle lines, the top half of the lines just happen to be identical, and the differences start on July 4th when FL shows up. (not at the gate). In which case it does not matter at all what FR and FL do the same thing happens. They are just the catalysts of what happens with the gate in our 3rd time period


Killing CR will have no effect on FR, they are two completely different characters.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

(FL and CL = Future and Current Lucy, FR and CR = Rogue)

My question is that there are now two futures as pointed out in the chart, and one from each future came back to our current time path? wtf

Here is why I hate time travel:

1st future has FL come back with no FR. FL didn't tell CL how to prevent the 10000 dragons, that means FL didn't know where they came from. She was at the Gate during FR's and CL's time, where was FL when the gate was opened, she would have known and told CL. Until the gate was opened CL said I won't close it.

The other problem with FR. If CL closes the gate during FR's period how does FR know that Dragons are in it? CR wasn't at the gate, did someone tell FR in between 791 and 798 that there was a gate with 10000 dragons in it 7 years ago that was closed by CL? Who would have done that? I cant remember but I think the only people who where there were the current FT members, the Princess, and the army people.

And FR was surprised to see FL, so there has to be 3 "different" times, one where the world is destroyed by 10k dragons (FL), one where it isnt (FR), and one where a person claiming to be a FL and FR come back in time. They just happen to know what the end of the GMG was. They are not changing anything, they only have a perception that they are changing something because the "think" they are from future. Our time period invented people from the future, where as in FL's and FR's "time period" there is was no Future people at the GMG, and then either dragons or no dragons. Likely in our third future there is no people going back in time in 798. Nothing is being "changed".

As I said there must be 3 time periods, which means that the chart makes no sense, it has to be 3 fully versicle lines, the top half of the lines just happen to be identical, and the differences start on July 4th when FL shows up. (not at the gate). In which case it does not matter at all what FR and FL do the same thing happens. They are just the catalysts of what happens with the gate in our 3rd time period


Killing CR will have no effect on FR, they are two completely different characters.

Basically in order to stop FR or to stop CR becoming FR you need to kill both ; not just because they are different beings but also because they are on different time lines which can be reset as long as one being exists. If FR is killed and CR isn't CR can potentially become like FR if certain criteria are met , but if CR does not meet the set criteria he may follow the other path , the alternative future in my opinion will be a mix and match of the two futures put together.

Just think a bit like Dr Who... Time is always changing ; one past event can change the course of time throughout the entire universe forever. If CR is to die now:
Sting will not be dead in future, FR will not exist (on one time line), the current events would never have happened due to the fact CR does not exist eliminating the possibility of FR from his timeline , he will still exist as a completely different being in an alternative timeline not linked to the events ; however this then causes a problem... It means that Eclipse would never be used ; it still may be the last hope to save both timelines from the destruction which is about to occur within the following seven years.

Which is why i think FR will be killed , CR will be spared , but his shadow (who seems to possess Rogue and probably causes CR to become mad like FR) can be killed. If this is the case one time line is now no longer possible. Therefore leaving the unknown alternative and FL's time line as possibilites.

If FL's timeline occurs the dragonslayers will need some dragon friends to find their parents ; enhancing their strength making them strong enough to kill dragons easily. And on top of that bringing them closer to being capable of defeating Acnologia (one of the series primary goals).

 

[tmlms13]

Basically in order to stop FR or to stop CR becoming FR you need to kill both ; not just because they are different beings but also because they are on different time lines which can be reset as long as one being exists. If FR is killed and CR isn't CR can potentially become like FR if certain criteria are met , but if CR does not meet the set criteria he may follow the other path , the alternative future in my opinion will be a mix and match of the two futures put together.

Just think a bit like Dr Who... Time is always changing ; one past event can change the course of time throughout the entire universe forever. If CR is to die now:
Sting will not be dead in future, FR will not exist (on one time line), the current events would never have happened due to the fact CR does not exist eliminating the possibility of FR from his timeline , he will still exist as a completely different being in an alternative timeline not linked to the events ; however this then causes a problem... It means that Eclipse would never be used ; it still may be the last hope to save both timelines from the destruction which is about to occur within the following seven years.

Which is why i think FR will be killed , CR will be spared , but his shadow (who seems to possess Rogue and probably causes CR to become mad like FR) can be killed. If this is the case one time line is now no longer possible. Therefore leaving the unknown alternative and FL's time line as possibilites.

If FL's timeline occurs the dragonslayers will need some dragon friends to find their parents ; enhancing their strength making them strong enough to kill dragons easily. And on top of that bringing them closer to being capable of defeating Acnologia (one of the series primary goals).

Here are two possible theories, hell they could actually be true in real life but aren't falsifiable so they can't be accepted as having credibility.

time travel theory A: There is only two paths, the one the traveling person came from and the one he arrived at. The only way for him to go away is to change the current world enough so that he does not feel the need to travel back in time. FR being the time traveler. I'm just guessing that in FR's time there were 0 dragons, and the 10000 dragons was a myth. because FL basically had no effect on anything I guess we can ignore her (though that may change because of her diary that CL found)

FR came back to our point in time, got 7 out, if that was enough to destroy the world then on its own then future FR wouldn't need to go back in time and cease to exist in our world. To me that means the 7 won't destroy the world right now something else has to happen to make future FR want to come back to try and control the world. The only way to stop FR from coming back in time is our world be destroyed to his liking or CR dies before the date he decided to go back in time. Killing FR will do nothing to save the world because if CR is still alive in 798 he will travel back to 791 to try and gain control of the world.

edit: This idea is the one that the characters believe and Mashi is trying to push on us but it isn't well thought out.


time travel theory B: There is an infinite number of universes that are changeable but only changeable in one universe. The one you came from stays the same. Basically think of that as every single instant after the big bang a new world is created. FR and FL came from two that started 7 years earlier than the one we are in now. In our version of the world we have two people, FR and FL, arrive to tell us of the past of their universe and try to change our future. Whatever happens happens blah blah blah. If FR and FL returned to their universe it would remain unchanged. We were just lucky enough to be picked and our universe changed, The one FL came from wasn't so lucky, and the one FR came from wasn't so lucky (for him). It was just a coincidence that two future people showed up in the same universe. Maybe the universe born a second after us had 3 people come from the future. this idea is the one that says there is no free will everything that happens happens and couldn't of happened any other way. This is what I believe and tried to describe earlier.

I call this the Trunks from DragonBallZ theory.

Mashi's Theory: By having more than two futures I would say he subscribes to B, but the characters think that A is true. For example, if you change CR and CL's future for FR what happened to FL's, nothing?, Her diary may help CL but it isnt going to help FL's Levy

It still makes zero sense that FR knew about the gate considering CR was no where near it.

Whatever, it's just anime, my head hurts to much now. This is why time travel is stupid. So many different TV shows, movies, scientists, normal people, anime, manga etc have a theory about time travel. Talking tacos that crap ice cream is more plausible in a Fantasy story.

 

[Rand al'Thor]

it made sense you just don't understood it. btw it also cleared up something for rinnemaki, right? =D

no.not really

 

[Mateush]

I predict Rogue is connected to Acnologia. The dragons don't want to kill Rogue, because they aren't allowed to. I don't think they would respect Rogue, unless it's Acnologia.

 

[Caliburn]

Well Hiro finally tried to explain the timeline, better late than never, still it's quite flawed especially on it's most important point: the start. Now he says they just started working on the Gate on their own accord, but why? It's still void of real reason xd

 

[ARandomBlackKid]

Well Hiro finally tried to explain the timeline, better late than never, still it's quite flawed especially on it's most important point: the start. Now he says they just started working on the Gate on their own accord, but why? It's still void of real reason xd

It probably wont ever be explained because he most likely has no clue what he wants to do xD.

 

[Scorps]

Yeah....that explained somethings but raise others like Taiphoon (ahahah) said.

Its becoming interesting though...because we are managing to get a hold of Rogue's true self and why he did what he did. Still, its a weird situation. Ultear... I don't think she will kill rogue.

 

[Papadeepz]

So, when is 334 coming out?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

So, when is 334 coming out?

Tomorrow..

 

[ARandomBlackKid]

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