[Discussion] What do you guys think

[YOUNGGUNNO]

It's been made clear, that Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura are now the new three legendary sannin replacing Jiraiya,Orochimaru, and Tsunade. I know that they are all stronger than their predecessors, but are they worthy of the title, I say...NO...they're worthy of an even greater title, legendary is no longer a sufficient title, Sasuke became more than a legend when he defeated a tailed beast, Naruto became legendary when he took down pain, and the became godly when he took 6 tailed beast and won, I don't remember Sakura doing anything legendary like the others, even when she released her powers, I still wouldn't consider that "surpassing legendary", but she does seem stronger than tsunade so I guess she passes. So I would like to know what you guys think, are they better? Are they worse? Anything.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

She kept them alive until now--that's more than just "passing" to me.

 

[Optimistic]

Sasuke > Tsunade > Sakura.

 

[Scarecrow.]

Yeah! I think Madara will give them the title of Sannin like Hanzo did to Team Hiruzen.

 

[MGX7]

i'd like to think that Naruto and Sasuke have passed J-man and Oro but as for sakura i don't think she's passed Tsunade yet

 

[6thpathsage]

She kept them alive until now--that's more than just "passing" to me.

Are we talking about the same Sakura? Part 1 sasuke was healed by tsunade, part 1 naruto by kyuubi, shippuden was always healed by karin and idk of shippuden naruto but first time I see her healing him is in the last chapter.. So NO

 

[thegame]

1st off I would like to say, I utterly disagree that they are anything near the legendary sannins. Perhaps some of them posses stronger jutsu, but the amount of jutsu, knowledge, experience, etc. cannot compare to the legendary sannin.

1. Oro just lost to Sasuke, cause he was very ill.. Sasuke even told Suigetsu, that he could not defeat a healthy Orochimaru. And regarding Bee, well that victory was kinda lame. Besides, Sasuke would lose to Bee without him going Bijuu form. We saw it happen. Sasuke needed life saving healing from both Karin and Jugo.

2. Naruto only beat Pain, because he knew the ability of every path, and because deva path had just used his ability to obliterate Konoha. Jiraya actually could stand better against Pain without knowledge than Naruto can. Naruto wouldn't last many minutes. Besides, Naruto actually lost, it was lucky his seal had a safe mechanism where Minato stopped the nine tailed form being released. Naruto had already given up at that point.

3. Sakura hasn't displayed any ability Tsunade isn't capable of. Despite that, Tsunade has also Katsuyu, and she has shown much better medical ninjutsu as well as better combat experience and chakra control. Her leader instinct is also light years ahead of Sakura's...

So all in all, your thread is completely invalid and based on stupid "facts", that do not take the circumstances into account. It's actually a disgrace to read it, although I must say, Naruto and Sasuke have grown since then, as they both acquired new amazing powers such as Kurama and Susanoo, however, still they haven't lived or done enough to be known as the legendary sannins yet. Perhaps after the war, people would give them a certain name, which would fit them. Being it legendary or something else is unimportant. Just stop disgracing the legendary sannins!!!

 

[aznflyer14]

1st off I would like to say, I utterly disagree that they are anything near the legendary sannins. Perhaps some of them posses stronger jutsu, but the amount of jutsu, knowledge, experience, etc. cannot compare to the legendary sannin.

1. Oro just lost to Sasuke, cause he was very ill.. Sasuke even told Suigetsu, that he could not defeat a healthy Orochimaru. And regarding Bee, well that victory was kinda lame. Besides, Sasuke would lose to Bee without him going Bijuu form. We saw it happen. Sasuke needed life saving healing from both Karin and Jugo.

2. Naruto only beat Pain, because he knew the ability of every path, and because deva path had just used his ability to obliterate Konoha. Jiraya actually could stand better against Pain without knowledge than Naruto can. Naruto wouldn't last many minutes. Besides, Naruto actually lost, it was lucky his seal had a safe mechanism where Minato stopped the nine tailed form being released. Naruto had already given up at that point.

3. Sakura hasn't displayed any ability Tsunade isn't capable of. Despite that, Tsunade has also Katsuyu, and she has shown much better medical ninjutsu as well as better combat experience and chakra control. Her leader instinct is also light years ahead of Sakura's...

So all in all, your thread is completely invalid and based on stupid "facts", that do not take the circumstances into account. It's actually a disgrace to read it, although I must say, Naruto and Sasuke have grown since then, as they both acquired new amazing powers such as Kurama and Susanoo, however, still they haven't lived or done enough to be known as the legendary sannins yet. Perhaps after the war, people would give them a certain name, which would fit them. Being it legendary or something else is unimportant. Just stop disgracing the legendary sannins!!!

Agreed with this one but we all have seen how Sasuke and Naruto evolved through their power-up. In case of Sasuke, he obtained EMS and other abilities (blaze release), which was instrumented by his older brother, Itachi. Same thing can be said for Naruto on obtaining the CM/KM/BM through his parents. And now we are witnessing Sakura's new power-up in her abilities. But really, the original Sannin are still the greatest. In a nutshell, we can infer the following.

Naruto>>>Jiraya
Sasuke>>>Orochimaru
Tsuande>>>Sakura (this may change and there's a plenty of time for Sakura to continue evolving her abilities on par with her master)

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

Sasuke >> Naruto >> Sakura

 

[YOUNGGUNNO]

1st off I would like to say, I utterly disagree that they are anything near the legendary sannins. Perhaps some of them posses stronger jutsu, but the amount of jutsu, knowledge, experience, etc. cannot compare to the legendary sannin.

1. Oro just lost to Sasuke, cause he was very ill.. Sasuke even told Suigetsu, that he could not defeat a healthy Orochimaru. And regarding Bee, well that victory was kinda lame. Besides, Sasuke would lose to Bee without him going Bijuu form. We saw it happen. Sasuke needed life saving healing from both Karin and Jugo.

2. Naruto only beat Pain, because he knew the ability of every path, and because deva path had just used his ability to obliterate Konoha. Jiraya actually could stand better against Pain without knowledge than Naruto can. Naruto wouldn't last many minutes. Besides, Naruto actually lost, it was lucky his seal had a safe mechanism where Minato stopped the nine tailed form being released. Naruto had already given up at that point.

3. Sakura hasn't displayed any ability Tsunade isn't capable of. Despite that, Tsunade has also Katsuyu, and she has shown much better medical ninjutsu as well as better combat experience and chakra control. Her leader instinct is also light years ahead of Sakura's...

So all in all, your thread is completely invalid and based on stupid "facts", that do not take the circumstances into account. It's actually a disgrace to read it, although I must say, Naruto and Sasuke have grown since then, as they both acquired new amazing powers such as Kurama and Susanoo, however, still they haven't lived or done enough to be known as the legendary sannins yet. Perhaps after the war, people would give them a certain name, which would fit them. Being it legendary or something else is unimportant. Just stop disgracing the legendary sannins!!!

What you're saying is irrelevant because if Orochimaru could beat sasuke why isn't he resisting him now?? Naruto beat pain jiraiya did not. Truth is sasuke and naruto have far surpassed Orochimaru and Jiraiya, because as I see it Orochimaru couldn't beat susanoo, we saw that with itachi, do you really think he can beat sasuke with EMS??? NOPE. Naruto could easily kill jiraiya with km. What you're saying about them not having the experience, seems like a crap excuse for the previous sannin's weakness, because the new sannin's ability & strength far exceeds the lasts sannin's experience.=D

 

[SkylineGTR]

But you're basing your facts on abilities that Jiraiya and Orochimaru did not posses.

Jiraiya does not posses the Nine-Tails chakara, so pinning him against Naruto when he is in BM mode is stupid. On fair grounds Jiraiya still has stronger abilities (both physically and mentally).

Orochimaru doesn't posses the Sharingan, so pinning him against Sasuke when he has his EMS activated is stupid as well. Again, on fair grounds, Orochimaru is stronger and Sasuke mentions that himself.

What you are basing your material on has no solid ground. Of course those two are stronger than Jiraiya and Orochimaru at the moment because they possess strength normal ninja do not.

You need facts to back up your statements my good sir.

 

[Mistraal]

People need to remember that the only reason the Legendary Sannin were "legendary" is because the three of them were the only ones left standing after the battle.

This essentially means that if history repeats itself the remaining members of the Konoha 11 will be slaughtered just like Team Hiruzen's platoon. The Konoha rookies all just charged in as a group remember?

 

[YOUNGGUNNO]

But you're basing your facts on abilities that Jiraiya and Orochimaru did not posses.

Jiraiya does not posses the Nine-Tails chakara, so pinning him against Naruto when he is in BM mode is stupid. On fair grounds Jiraiya still has stronger abilities (both physically and mentally).

Orochimaru doesn't posses the Sharingan, so pinning him against Sasuke when he has his EMS activated is stupid as well. Again, on fair grounds, Orochimaru is stronger and Sasuke mentions that himself.

What you are basing your material on has no solid ground. Of course those two are stronger than Jiraiya and Orochimaru at the moment because they possess strength normal ninja do not.

You need facts to back up your statements my good sir.

. Yeah those are facts, and what are you suggesting? That I put them on equal grounds? But they're not on equal grounds anymore that's what I've been trying to get across. Sure they might have been weaker in the beginning, but I'm not talking about the beginning, I'm talking about what's going on now. It may be stupid to you to put them against each other since naruto has the kyuubi, but what are you going to do take something Naruto has had since he was now that would be unfair. Same thing with Sasuke, as master and student they both far exceed their teachers. Truth is you can't take ones powers because you think he's too strong. Back to my question, as they are NOW do they surpass their predecessors, and the answer is yes they do.

 

[thegame]

What you're saying is irrelevant because if Orochimaru could beat sasuke why isn't he resisting him now?? Naruto beat pain jiraiya did not. Truth is sasuke and naruto have far surpassed Orochimaru and Jiraiya, because as I see it Orochimaru couldn't beat susanoo, we saw that with itachi, do you really think he can beat sasuke with EMS??? NOPE. Naruto could easily kill jiraiya with km. What you're saying about them not having the experience, seems like a crap excuse for the previous sannin's weakness, because the new sannin's ability & strength far exceeds the lasts sannin's experience.=D

You are just denying manga facts by looking at the small details, as to how, and why Naruto was able to beat Pain, ad why Sasuke beat Oro. That is sad in my eyes, but if Jiraya has all the toads and sannin mode, he easily fights on terms with KM Naruto. We saw how sannin mode has better reflexes than beast mode, as Naruto used it against 3rd raikage. That is manga fact. We also haven't seen Naruto summon Ma and Pa yet. They only summoned themselves. Jiraya summoned them. Of course it is impossible to decide, which of Naruto and Jiraya is stronger, cause how can we know, which summons will obey who? Etc. So it's a pathetic comparison.

Oro lost to Susanoo? Are you utterly brain dead? Do you not remember any details of that either? He was stabbed by totsuka, which Sasuke does not have. No sword (besides totsuka) can kill Orochimaru. The man can't f*cking be killed. Try to get that into your head, then please do tell me how Sasuke kils him.. Tell me which sealing technique he will use. Also who would run out of chakra first? Surely Sasuke.

And of course their experience is important. How far do you think Naruto would make it into Amegekure on an infiltration mission to kill Pain? Yeah he wouldn't.. All he can do is wait in his own base. Besides as I said, Naruto never beat Pain. In the end Nagato chose to believe in Naruto... And the circumstances gave Naruto huge advantage against his paths, yet he lost as he gave up and let the nine tailed out.. It's common facts, don't denie it. It's a disgrace-

 

[YOUNGGUNNO]

You are just denying manga facts by looking at the small details, as to how, and why Naruto was able to beat Pain, ad why Sasuke beat Oro. That is sad in my eyes, but if Jiraya has all the toads and sannin mode, he easily fights on terms with KM Naruto. We saw how sannin mode has better reflexes than beast mode, as Naruto used it against 3rd raikage. That is manga fact. We also haven't seen Naruto summon Ma and Pa yet. They only summoned themselves. Jiraya summoned them. Of course it is impossible to decide, which of Naruto and Jiraya is stronger, cause how can we know, which summons will obey who? Etc. So it's a pathetic comparison.

Oro lost to Susanoo? Are you utterly brain dead? Do you not remember any details of that either? He was stabbed by totsuka, which Sasuke does not have. No sword (besides totsuka) can kill Orochimaru. The man can't f*cking be killed. Try to get that into your head, then please do tell me how Sasuke kils him.. Tell me which sealing technique he will use. Also who would run out of chakra first? Surely Sasuke.

And of course their experience is important. How far do you think Naruto would make it into Amegekure on an infiltration mission to kill Pain? Yeah he wouldn't.. All he can do is wait in his own base. Besides as I said, Naruto never beat Pain. In the end Nagato chose to believe in Naruto... And the circumstances gave Naruto huge advantage against his paths, yet he lost as he gave up and let the nine tailed out.. It's common facts, don't denie it. It's a disgrace-

You're insane. First of all it's sage mode, and jiraiya was in sage mode and still lost, even lord fugasaku stated that naruto had surpassed jiraiya in sage jutsu that's how he was able to overcome pain because pain also said to Konan that even if he wanted to kill naruto, he wouldn't be able to do so since naruto defeated all six pains. So that means even if jiraiya went sage mode he wouldn't even touch kcm naruto, and what you're saying is "manga fact" is bullshit, km mode has better reflects the only reason he used sage mode was because he had exhausted the kyuubi chakra. Orochimaru can be defeated, Orochimaru said himself that although his soul may be immortal, his body isn't that's why he wanted sasuke so all sasuke has to do is destroy his body with the amaterasu leaving him without a body for his soul. Never did it say that the only way to kill Orochimaru is to seal, you're making that up, however it did say that after his body starts to decay he needs a new one to replace it... And naruto doesn't have to infiltrate the hidden rain village when he can destroy it =D

 

[thegame]

You're insane. First of all it's sage mode, and jiraiya was in sage mode and still lost, even lord fugasaku stated that naruto had surpassed jiraiya in sage jutsu that's how he was able to overcome pain because pain also said to Konan that even if he wanted to kill naruto, he wouldn't be able to do so since naruto defeated all six pains. So that means even if jiraiya went sage mode he wouldn't even touch kcm naruto, and what you're saying is "manga fact" is bullshit, km mode has better reflects the only reason he used sage mode was because he had exhausted the kyuubi chakra. Orochimaru can be defeated, Orochimaru said himself that although his soul may be immortal, his body isn't that's why he wanted sasuke so all sasuke has to do is destroy his body with the amaterasu leaving him without a body for his soul. Never did it say that the only way to kill Orochimaru is to seal, you're making that up, however it did say that after his body starts to decay he needs a new one to replace it... And naruto doesn't have to infiltrate the hidden rain village when he can destroy it =D

Yes, Naruto was better at utilising sage mode, however, if Naruto and Jiraya are to fight, who can use Ma and Pa will be the winner, as both of them needs them to enter sage mode. My point was, it's not possible to compare them because of that, and my other point was, if Jiraya has the toads and sage mode, he can cope with Naruto in beast mode. Of course a TBB would obliterate him, but there are methods for escaping it, and it takes time to create it, so using a clone can easily be done. Beside of that Naruto just got speed, but J-man can counter that with reflexes from SM. When Naruto runs out of Kurama's chakra, he is absolutely scratch, only chunin level, and nowhere near SM Jiraya, that is a fact too.Most of what you are saying isn't even true. Naruto had KCM vs 3rd raikage, but SM was more useful. He even said it himself.


And Oro wouldn't die from amaterasu........ Even sasuke was hit by it, and he used Oro's technique to escape it, the body shedding technique. So again you utterly fail, anyway discussion is becoming a disgrace, I guess you are not very keen on details, and didn't read the manga for very long.. Anyway, Oro needs a new body every 4 years, yes, but so what? You gonna compare them in a fight right when he needs a new body? Just like last time? xD stupidity is all over that reply and this thread...

And no Naruto cannot destroy a village... Learn to scale manga dimensions. A simple bunch of walls was enough to slow down a TBB from the Juubi, which is 1000 times Kurama's TBB. If Kurama's hits a village, the major part of the impact will be stopped by the first few buildings..

 

[uzamaki2223]

She kept them alive until now--that's more than just "passing" to me.

Agreed... She kept them alive for a Whole 2 mins...

1st off I would like to say, I utterly disagree that they are anything near the legendary sannins. Perhaps some of them posses stronger jutsu, but the amount of jutsu, knowledge, experience, etc. cannot compare to the legendary sannin.

1. Oro just lost to Sasuke, cause he was very ill.. Sasuke even told Suigetsu, that he could not defeat a healthy Orochimaru. And regarding Bee, well that victory was kinda lame. Besides, Sasuke would lose to Bee without him going Bijuu form. We saw it happen. Sasuke needed life saving healing from both Karin and Jugo.

2. Naruto only beat Pain, because he knew the ability of every path, and because deva path had just used his ability to obliterate Konoha. Jiraya actually could stand better against Pain without knowledge than Naruto can. Naruto wouldn't last many minutes. Besides, Naruto actually lost, it was lucky his seal had a safe mechanism where Minato stopped the nine tailed form being released. Naruto had already given up at that point.

3. Sakura hasn't displayed any ability Tsunade isn't capable of. Despite that, Tsunade has also Katsuyu, and she has shown much better medical ninjutsu as well as better combat experience and chakra control. Her leader instinct is also light years ahead of Sakura's...

So all in all, your thread is completely invalid and based on stupid "facts", that do not take the circumstances into account. It's actually a disgrace to read it, although I must say, Naruto and Sasuke have grown since then, as they both acquired new amazing powers such as Kurama and Susanoo, however, still they haven't lived or done enough to be known as the legendary sannins yet. Perhaps after the war, people would give them a certain name, which would fit them. Being it legendary or something else is unimportant. Just stop disgracing the legendary sannins!!!

1. I agree but i think we're talking about right now, not when the other Sannin were alive...

2. True if Naruto wudda fought Pain when Jiraiya fought him, he wudda been slaughtered but Naruto clearly passed him in sage mode because the old toad said that he was a perfect sage, something Jiraiya could do with all his experience and strength. And please stop blaming Naruto for Pain using his tech earlier. if he couldn't fight after that then he shudda left... Plus, i like Jiraiya, but who has he beaten??

3. I actually agree with this...

They were only given the name Legendary Sannin by Hanzo cuz they lasted longer than everybody else in that particular battle. The same Hanzo that got dragged by Nagato a couple years later... But then again he did learn how to do water style from Jiraiya so i guess he should get credit for dat too huh... But they didn't earn the name because they did some great thing and because they were stronger than an Uchiha, Uzumaki, and random mednin #2. They were given that name cuz Hanzo respected them.

But you're basing your facts on abilities that Jiraiya and Orochimaru did not posses.

Jiraiya does not posses the Nine-Tails chakara, so pinning him against Naruto when he is in BM mode is stupid. On fair grounds Jiraiya still has stronger abilities (both physically and mentally).

Orochimaru doesn't posses the Sharingan, so pinning him against Sasuke when he has his EMS activated is stupid as well. Again, on fair grounds, Orochimaru is stronger and Sasuke mentions that himself.

What you are basing your material on has no solid ground. Of course those two are stronger than Jiraiya and Orochimaru at the moment because they possess strength normal ninja do not.

You need facts to back up your statements my good sir.

Jiraiya had SM like Naruto and Naruto was better than him with that but of course u not gonna disprove ur own point.

Sasuke doesn't have the ability to take other people's bodies.... So??? Oro couldn't beat Itachi either but that's unfair too i guess... What i wanna kno is how can u say that Jiraiya and Oro are stronger than Sasuke and Naruto physically and mentally??? Mayb mentally but physically??? Did they have a bench press contest that i missed??? I kno people wanna put the old Sannin on a pedestal but give these dudes respect where its due. Their predecessors are just better than them... Sorry...

People need to remember that the only reason the Legendary Sannin were "legendary" is because the three of them were the only ones left standing after the battle.

This essentially means that if history repeats itself the remaining members of the Konoha 11 will be slaughtered just like Team Hiruzen's platoon. The Konoha rookies all just charged in as a group remember?

Thank you sir... Not because they helped seal the Juubi the first time along side the so6p...

You are just denying manga facts by looking at the small details, as to how, and why Naruto was able to beat Pain, ad why Sasuke beat Oro. That is sad in my eyes, but if Jiraya has all the toads and sannin mode, he easily fights on terms with KM Naruto. We saw how sannin mode has better reflexes than beast mode, as Naruto used it against 3rd raikage. That is manga fact. We also haven't seen Naruto summon Ma and Pa yet. They only summoned themselves. Jiraya summoned them. Of course it is impossible to decide, which of Naruto and Jiraya is stronger, cause how can we know, which summons will obey who? Etc. So it's a pathetic comparison.

Oro lost to Susanoo? Are you utterly brain dead? Do you not remember any details of that either? He was stabbed by totsuka, which Sasuke does not have. No sword (besides totsuka) can kill Orochimaru. The man can't f*cking be killed. Try to get that into your head, then please do tell me how Sasuke kils him.. Tell me which sealing technique he will use. Also who would run out of chakra first? Surely Sasuke.

And of course their experience is important. How far do you think Naruto would make it into Amegekure on an infiltration mission to kill Pain? Yeah he wouldn't.. All he can do is wait in his own base. Besides as I said, Naruto never beat Pain. In the end Nagato chose to believe in Naruto... And the circumstances gave Naruto huge advantage against his paths, yet he lost as he gave up and let the nine tailed out.. It's common facts, don't denie it. It's a disgrace-

Ok i really don't kno where to start with this one... Why was Oro scared of Itachi If he cant die?? He had no idea that Itachi had the sword that Oro had been looking for the totsuka... Where in the manga did it say that Oro's chakra reserves ran deeper than Sasuke's??? Sasuke doesn't burn chakra to the extent that Kakashi does and that evident in the manga.. Sasuke spammed MS tech against Raikage, Tsucikage (spelling), Mizukage, Danzo, and Kakashi all in the same day... Clearly Oro has more chakra right??

Ur absolutely right that naruto @ 16 i believe w/ less fighting and info gathering experience wudda been fodder for Pain but we talkin about a around 16 year old boy vs a 50+ year old man in experience. what was Jiraiya doing at 16??? I bet it wasn't protecting the Village vs Pain, or fighting the Juubi, or Akatsuki, or Edo Kages... I ask again what has Jiraiya done?? Please pull his resume for me n tell me what he accomplished??? N again I like Jiraiya but compared to what Naruto and Sasuke's been doin, the old Sannin wouldn't make the Konoha 11... What would Jiraiya or Oro or Tsunade do against the Bijuu or Pain or Madara or hell Tobi??? Nuthin at all...

 

[YOUNGGUNNO]

Yes, Naruto was better at utilising sage mode, however, if Naruto and Jiraya are to fight, who can use Ma and Pa will be the winner, as both of them needs them to enter sage mode. My point was, it's not possible to compare them because of that, and my other point was, if Jiraya has the toads and sage mode, he can cope with Naruto in beast mode. Of course a TBB would obliterate him, but there are methods for escaping it, and it takes time to create it, so using a clone can easily be done. Beside of that Naruto just got speed, but J-man can counter that with reflexes from SM. When Naruto runs out of Kurama's chakra, he is absolutely scratch, only chunin level, and nowhere near SM Jiraya, that is a fact too.Most of what you are saying isn't even true. Naruto had KCM vs 3rd raikage, but SM was more useful. He even said it himself.


And Oro wouldn't die from amaterasu........ Even sasuke was hit by it, and he used Oro's technique to escape it, the body shedding technique. So again you utterly fail, anyway discussion is becoming a disgrace, I guess you are not very keen on details, and didn't read the manga for very long.. Anyway, Oro needs a new body every 4 years, yes, but so what? You gonna compare them in a fight right when he needs a new body? Just like last time? xD stupidity is all over that reply and this thread...

And no Naruto cannot destroy a village... Learn to scale manga dimensions. A simple bunch of walls was enough to slow down a TBB from the Juubi, which is 1000 times Kurama's TBB. If Kurama's hits a village, the major part of the impact will be stopped by the first few buildings..

dude you need to look at it again, the only reason he used sm was because he was out of kyuubi chakra... Naruto doesn't need those frogs to win, he has a tailed beast, But you're saying that jiraiya can beat naruto in kcm you're crazy. Naruto doesn't even have to use tbb when he can turn into the kyuubi!!

And if what you're saying about oro is true, why is he obeying sasuke like a dog obeys his master, because sasuke could easily defeat him again, seems to me like you're the stupid one, because oro needs a new body not every 4 years, but when his body starts to decay and rot away, the Amaterasu is stronger when sasuke uses it because of the EMS. To kill sasuke now he would have to get past his tsukiyomi which he couldn't even do with itachi, but really that's all sasuke has to do is put him in a genjutsu and then use whatever move he likes on Orochimaru and yes naruto can destroy their village because the hidden rain doesn't have many earth style user one tailed beast bomb and the village is done =D

 

[aindafeliz]

I do think that is one of the main themes of this manga. I mean hasn't it been hinted since part 1? I won't get into the argument or whether or not they have already surpassed them, but I will say that they will at some point, whether we see it at the end of the manga or not, surpassing them is inevitable.

And this theme is not only limited to Team 7 I don't think. For instance take Ino-Shika-Cho....in the recent chapters, Shikamaru & Ino have continued from where their dads left off, possibly hinting that they have surpassed their fathers, and that Team 10 will become the new legendary Ino-Shika-Cho. As for Team 8, I can't think of anyone they've been foreshadowed to surpass, maybe Hinata will eventually surpass Neji. (R.I.P T_T ) And Lee will eventually surpass Gai..... you see what I'm trying to argue?

 

[thegame]

Agreed... She kept them alive for a Whole 2 mins...



1. I agree but i think we're talking about right now, not when the other Sannin were alive...

2. True if Naruto wudda fought Pain when Jiraiya fought him, he wudda been slaughtered but Naruto clearly passed him in sage mode because the old toad said that he was a perfect sage, something Jiraiya could do with all his experience and strength. And please stop blaming Naruto for Pain using his tech earlier. if he couldn't fight after that then he shudda left... Plus, i like Jiraiya, but who has he beaten??

3. I actually agree with this...

They were only given the name Legendary Sannin by Hanzo cuz they lasted longer than everybody else in that particular battle. The same Hanzo that got dragged by Nagato a couple years later... But then again he did learn how to do water style from Jiraiya so i guess he should get credit for dat too huh... But they didn't earn the name because they did some great thing and because they were stronger than an Uchiha, Uzumaki, and random mednin #2. They were given that name cuz Hanzo respected them.

2. You are right about Pain using his technique earlier, but that just means, Naruto alone did not beat Pain. A lot of shinobi helped, as they forced Pain to use that jutsu. Besides, Naruto did lose that fight. He had already given up. He opened the gate to the 9 tailed. He would have died that instant, if it was not for the safe guard in the seal. It was pure luck, that he had it. He even had his chakra restored. Surely if any shinobi in a close combat, had some kinda safe shield mechanism to heal him and restore his chakra, when he was about to die, it would mean a huge deal, but it's not part of Naruto's powers, as it was a one time event.
Also this thread is trying to say that Naruto has surpassed Jiraya. Well surely with beast mode he has, but yet if Naruto isn't allowed to use the toads, I am trying to argue, that Jiraya can still win. This of course gives an untrue image of Narutos strength, as the toads are part of his power as well, but how else can we compare them?

Ok i really don't kno where to start with this one... Why was Oro scared of Itachi If he cant die?? He had no idea that Itachi had the sword that Oro had been looking for the totsuka... Where in the manga did it say that Oro's chakra reserves ran deeper than Sasuke's??? Sasuke doesn't burn chakra to the extent that Kakashi does and that evident in the manga.. Sasuke spammed MS tech against Raikage, Tsucikage (spelling), Mizukage, Danzo, and Kakashi all in the same day... Clearly Oro has more chakra right??

I don't think he was scared of Itachi, he just admitted, that Itachi was too strong for him. In other words, if Oro tried to take Itachis body, he couldn't and he would probably die. Besides, he would need to place a cursed seal on Itachi as well, if it should work sufficiently, and Itachi was too strong for Oro to do that.
Well, if you look at any of the fights Orochimaru was implemented in, he has never been on the verge of chakra exhaustion. Perhaps against Naruto 4 tailed, but even there, he only had to leave the battle, because his time was up, and he couldn't use his arms any longer.
Besides, the body shedding technique used by Sasuke made him run out of chakra. It clearly took a lot of chakra. How many times did we see Oro perform this jutsu, even with illness and no usable arms? Many. So it's safe to assume his chakra reserves are larger than Sasukes. Besides he is old and extremely talented, it's only assumable that a former hokage candidate trained by the 3rd is an expert at molding chakra and reserving it to keep waste at a minimum.

Ur absolutely right that naruto @ 16 i believe w/ less fighting and info gathering experience wudda been fodder for Pain but we talkin about a around 16 year old boy vs a 50+ year old man in experience. what was Jiraiya doing at 16??? I bet it wasn't protecting the Village vs Pain, or fighting the Juubi, or Akatsuki, or Edo Kages... I ask again what has Jiraiya done?? Please pull his resume for me n tell me what he accomplished??? N again I like Jiraiya but compared to what Naruto and Sasuke's been doin, the old Sannin wouldn't make the Konoha 11... What would Jiraiya or Oro or Tsunade do against the Bijuu or Pain or Madara or hell Tobi??? Nuthin at all...

Surely if you compare Jiraya same age as Naruto, it can be assumed that Naruto has accomplished more at that age, however, this is not the topic of this thread. Besides, I believe it was about that age Naruto started his sage mode training anyway.. So he wasn't just "useless".
So what have Jiraya accomplished? He trained the 2 destined children, Nagato and Naruto. Naruto would never have become the destined child, if it was not for his hatred towards Nagato, and his ability to leave it be, and to believe in his masters words (Jirayas!!). Basically, if Jiraya had never shown up and taught Naruto, Naruto would never have gotten Sage mode, he would never have become the destined child, and he would never have completed control over Kurama.
Also Jiraya takes a large part of why Tsunade became hokage. Of course most would say it was Naruto, but if it was not for Jiraya, the situation had never happened. Jiraya knew that Naruto could have that effect on Tsunade, because he resembles Nawaki.
And just to fill another one in, Jiraya did train Minato, one of the best prodigies in shinobi history.
Should be enough?
But Jiraya is, basically, the reason for Narutos way of thinking, which is why he became the destined child. He is also one of the most important characters in the story, sadly his death was necessary for Naruto to evolve and learn hatred, so he could become the destined child, by overcoming the hatred.

dude you need to look at it again, the only reason he used sm was because he was out of kyuubi chakra... Naruto doesn't need those frogs to win, he has a tailed beast, But you're saying that jiraiya can beat naruto in kcm you're crazy. Naruto doesn't even have to use tbb when he can turn into the kyuubi!!

I don't know why you are denying manga facts. Go read it again, I wont argue with this, it's completely stupid, when you just denie pure manga facts. I am not even gonna find it for you....
The big toads are same size as Kurama, so yeah, Jiraya can handle Kurama :| We saw Minato doing this against Kurama with his yin half as well. Now it's Kurama with ½ of that power, so the giant toads can cope for some time. Mean while Jiraya can pull mass jutsu's along with Ma and Pa, one being an inescapable sound genjutsu, which he has time to perform due to the giant toads keeping Kurama busy. What can Naruto do? Besides, it's pointless telling you this. I already recognized you as a fanboy, you are just overlooking important facts, and taking the outcomes, not what made the outcomes as they are. That is just silly...

And if what you're saying about oro is true, why is he obeying sasuke like a dog obeys his master, because sasuke could easily defeat him again, seems to me like you're the stupid one, because oro needs a new body not every 4 years, but when his body starts to decay and rot away, the Amaterasu is stronger when sasuke uses it because of the EMS. To kill sasuke now he would have to get past his tsukiyomi which he couldn't even do with itachi, but really that's all sasuke has to do is put him in a genjutsu and then use whatever move he likes on Orochimaru and yes naruto can destroy their village because the hidden rain doesn't have many earth style user one tailed beast bomb and the village is done =D

You are again denying manga facts and making things up as they are in your mind. May I ask again, how long did you read this manga? And how many times have you read through it? Oro isn't obeying anyone like a dog how silly you are pathetic fan kid. Where is Oro now? Wonder what he is doing aren't you? Well we will see, however, even Oro has respect for shinobi, and since Sasuke revived him, he at least owes him something.
And Sasuke's amaterasu is stronger with EMS? Can you show me evidence of that please. I am quivering with expectations for that evidence..... And also do please show me Sasuke using a tsukuyomi, that could defeat an enemy.... And also when did Itachi use tsukuyomi on Oro? Never....... It was another genjutsu, in fact the same that Sasuke used to defeat Oro, when Oro was ill..... So it had nothing to do with MS...... And your argument about why it cannot destroy the village is stupid too. It's utterly meaningless... Wtf am I even discussing with out. This is pathetic.

Besides Oro cannot defeat the Juubi either, so reviving the kage's to do it is just as good for him as for anyone. Besides Oro has been saying he might have had a change of heart after seeing Kabuto. Are you even reading the chapters, or are you just bad at english and looking at the images? If you read the last 10 chapters, you could answer all your idiotic replies about Oro in this reply... It's actually so stupid I can't even believe I am answering, but the next idiotic answer I probably wont reply to. Give me some good arguments, just once!!!! And this discussion can continue.....