Sasuke Retrieval Team vs Sand Siblings

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even though shino wasn't part of it he had a draw with kankuro. Shikamaru had kinda a draw with temari. Naruto won against gaara. then you have choji, kiba, and neji this goes to sasuke retrieval team
Are you confusing the Chunin Exams Arc with the Sasuke Retrieval Arc? All the afforementioned characters in those two arcs had changed dramatically power wise so you can't compare them.

The Sand Siblings saved the Sasuke Retreival Squad whereas that same squad was going to lose to the sound five. It is obvious that the Sand Siblings are stronger as they were portrayed to be such.
 

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How does he plan on doing that when a slower Temari already effortlessly dodged his shadows? There is no Shino in the Sasuke Retreival Arc. Your scenario 1 didn't account for Gaara. Fail post, I expected better than you but whatever, we all make mistakes.

The wind bullet that Bunta tanked was a pressure based attack. Temari's kiri kiri mae is a slicing wind attack which can one shot Bunta. Not to mention the fact that the scan you posted wasn't even as strong as KKM nor was it done by a full power Shukaku.

@Naruto9001, what is the starting distance, knowledge and location in both scenarios? I'm not going to say anything until you post the required information for me to answer.

Overall, I think SRA Gaara is strong enough to almost solo so adding his two siblings make this a certain victory.

Kankuro and Temari would get overwhelmed on their own though. 5 VS 2 is against their odds. Neji can beat Kankuro while the rest of them would overwhelm Temari.

@EnderWiggin, sure but Temari can one shot Shikamaru whereas Temari can either dodge his shadows or run away to a far distance where he simply won't be able to reach her. In any case, if in the event anyone falls under shadow possession, another sibling could attack Shikamaru thus forcing him to release the jutsu.

@ bold,
can't temari dodge and attack at the same time?,cudnt she just jump out of the way and wave her fan?


even though shino wasn't part of it he had a draw with kankuro. Shikamaru had kinda a draw with temari. Naruto won against gaara. then you have choji, kiba, and neji this goes to sasuke retrieval team

choji nearly died against the weakest sound 4 member jirobo
kankuro raped sakon and ukon,neji nearly died against kidomaru,
temari oneshotted tatuya,who nearly killed shikamaru

gaara held his own against kimimaro without any use of his bijuu and pushed him to cs2,naruto in kn0 cloak got raped easily by base kimi.

Cs2 sasuke was equal to kn1 naruto,cs2 kimi is far above cs2 sasuke,gaara faced him in cs2 while in base,and even managed to catch him.

SRA sand siblings were far above the SRS. You cant even compare
 

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If Naruto lives long enough to reach 1 tail Kyuubi, then Sasuke retrieval wins possibly. Otherwise Team sand takes this, they crushed the sound 5.
 

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Just double checked and released Shino wasn't involved my bad, Team 1 take it high diff, Gaara was good at this point and going Shukaku would be out of charcter and Naruto can summon bunta to help his team and can create a thousand clones to help defeat team 2 and in scenario 2 without Gaara the sand sibs lose mid-high diff.
 
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he can easily make a pit wide enough to do that,or he could just have some sand crush bunta's feet from below.

No,those sand globes are stronger than steel,as they are from his gourd sand,when those things hit bunta,they will make holes in him. Bunta has nowhere to run,he cant jump,cuz they fall fro above,and cover a wide area,and are formed nigh instantly,bunta would not know whats happeneing until he gets hit,however,even if he evades,his focus would be on the sand hail,bot below where gaara can use sand coffin on his feet,

The wind bullet that Bunta tanked was a pressure based attack. Temari's kiri kiri mae is a slicing wind attack which can one shot Bunta. Not to mention the fact that the scan you posted wasn't even as strong as KKM nor was it done by a full power Shukaku.

@genii96: No way Gaara is sinking a Bijuu sized toad 200m deep down without a desert. He needed some time to create enough sand and then bury Kimi, even if they give him time to create more i severely doubt Bunta would get defeated like that. Using Shukaku to reach a stalemate against Naruto would be the only way to get rid off team 1 strongest opponent imo.
All i know is that sand globes didn't exist until the war arc, we shouldn't mix the characters abilities at different points.

@Icelerate: Still, the amount of destruction caused by an incomplete Shukaku is something to be reckoned with. Bunta can always jump and attack with his Suiton.

I agree that the Sand Siblings would win, but not like that. This isn't Gaara and Temari vs Gamabunta, the rest of the team won't stand there and just watch.
 
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@genii96: No way Gaara is sinking a Bijuu sized toad 200m deep down without a desert. He needed some time to create enough sand and then bury Kimi, even if they give him time to create more i severely doubt Bunta would get defeated like that. Using Shukaku to reach a stalemate against Naruto would be the only way to get rid off team 1 strongest opponent imo.
All i know is that sand globes didn't exist until the war arc, we shouldn't mix the characters abilities at different points.

@Icelerate: Still, the amount of destruction caused by an incomplete Shukaku is something to be reckoned with. Bunta can always jump and attack with his Suiton.

I agree that the Sand Siblings would win, but not like that. This isn't Gaara and Temari vs Gamabunta, the rest of the team won't stand there and just watch.

my bad,when i posted that, i thought this was the part 2 sasuke squad.

However gaara showed a similar ability,but rather,he made rain(sand drizzle or rain of sandIIRC) insted of hail,also he can control the rain of sand n such a way that there are no blindspots.

It didnt take long to make the sand against kimi,also naruto cant even summon bnta by himself without a chakra cloak.

Also dont forget that gaara in SRA is several times above CE gaara,and therefore his transformatin would be much more powerful eg a 1tk part 2 naruto would be above a 1tk part 1 naruto.

Dont let the iitial shukaku fight fool you,when he attacked his dad,his dad thought it was shukaku(mini clone),and the last time he faced gaar/shukaku ws when gaara was abt 6 years old.

sta gaaraz's shukaku mode would be on a different level than CE gaara's own,especially as he has common sense now,and can even supress the shukaku showing greater control and thus use the mini clone move much better

you saw what his sand tsunam could do in base,imagine one when he goes mini shukaku. He'd probably solo everyone there.

I agree that he may not be able to bury bunta at that stage,however,he can hit bunta's feet with a sand coffin,thus rendering him useless anyway
 

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my bad,when i posted that, i thought this was the part 2 sasuke squad.

However gaara showed a similar ability,but rather,he made rain(sand drizzle or rain of sandIIRC) insted of hail,also he can control the rain of sand n such a way that there are no blindspots.

It didnt take long to make the sand against kimi,also naruto cant even summon bnta by himself without a chakra cloak.

Also dont forget that gaara in SRA is several times above CE gaara,and therefore his transformatin would be much more powerful eg a 1tk part 2 naruto would be above a 1tk part 1 naruto.

Dont let the iitial shukaku fight fool you,when he attacked his dad,his dad thought it was shukaku(mini clone),and the last time he faced gaar/shukaku ws when gaara was abt 6 years old.

sta gaaraz's shukaku mode would be on a different level than CE gaara's own,especially as he has common sense now,and can even supress the shukaku showing greater control and thus use the mini clone move much better

you saw what his sand tsunam could do in base,imagine one when he goes mini shukaku. He'd probably solo everyone there.

I agree that he may not be able to bury bunta at that stage,however,he can hit bunta's feet with a sand coffin,thus rendering him useless anyway

I believe you're referering to Suna Shigure > and , which turned out to be a feint (not an aerial attack) in order to catch Kimi.

True, but it still takes time and he will need much more sand to fight Bunta. He created several clones capable of using some of Kurama's chakra > , and minutes later he even used 1-tail against Sasuke. At this point he already had acess to some of the fox's power (when the situation demanded).

His control over the sand improved a lot, but Shukaku's power remained the same. Also, their trasformations are a lot different, especially Gaara when compared to the other Jinchuurikis. For instance, he never manifested V1 or V2 chackra cloak

He isn't a perfect Jinchuuriki, therefore Shukaku would take over him, whether he has common sense or not.

Ultimately, mini Shukaku never showed to make use of sand tsunamis when battling. Not even a full Shukaku used any sand.

He would need enough sand and to catch him first, assuming Bunta isn't durable enough. He would still have his huge sword though. Its just that there's a significant difference in raw power.
 

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I believe you're referering to Suna Shigure > and , which turned out to be a feint (not an aerial attack) in order to catch Kimi.

True, but it still takes time and he will need much more sand to fight Bunta. He created several clones capable of using some of Kurama's chakra > , and minutes later he even used 1-tail against Sasuke. At this point he already had acess to some of the fox's power (when the situation demanded).

His control over the sand improved a lot, but Shukaku's power remained the same. Also, their trasformations are a lot different, especially Gaara when compared to the other Jinchuurikis. For instance, he never manifested V1 or V2 chackra cloak

He isn't a perfect Jinchuuriki, therefore Shukaku would take over him, whether he has common sense or not.

Ultimately, mini Shukaku never showed to make use of sand tsunamis when battling. Not even a full Shukaku used any sand.

He would need enough sand and to catch him first, assuming Bunta isn't durable enough. He would still have his huge sword though. Its just that there's a significant difference in raw power.

it wasn actually a double purpose,it served as both a feint and gaara used it to catch him ,after kimi fell for it,he continued the jutsus and used it to wrap around kimi

you can see the suna shigure dropping on kimi.

He dosent have to completely engulf bunta in sand,that wouuld be kinda impossible for this gaara,however,due to bunta's size,he can easily use a sneak attack on bunta's feet,a sand burial to bunta's feet would render him immobile and in so much pain he wont be able to continue,seeing an attack from below would be very difficult,especially as gaara can do it right underneath him.

True,naruto can use kn0 by himself,however,kn1 is only accesible when kurama gives it to him,naruto never could use any transformation by himself aside from kn0,the others are when he became enraged,allowing kurama's chakra to leak,or when kurama gave it to him.

Gaara's transformations puzzled me,as he never used any sand from withi his body where shukaku was,but rather used his gourd sand to transform,thn later used normal sand to make the mini clone,this leads me to doubt whether his transformations were actual true shukaku transformations,or just a substitute type,since he wasnt a perfect jin,and as such,cudnt really make a succesful full transformation. I believe he just used some of the shukaku's chakra and fused it with sand to make transformations. This would explain why he was much weaker than his 6yr old self when he faced his dad(he lost control,meaning shukaku itself came out)



his dad is comparing CURRENT gaara's attacks to the 6yr old gaara's outa control shukaku.

,compare that to his 12yr old self being unable to use a single sand tech. Or maybe kishi just purposely dwarfed shukaku's power so that bunta and naruto would win.

However,although shukaku would eventually take over,gaara can use the half shukaku form,or one of the lowe transformtions,the power of the shukaku might be constant,but his jin is not,the transformatiuon jins both jin and bijuu powers together,which is why a jin is usually stronger than the bijuu when he gets to contrl it.

The bijuu transformations enhance the jin's powers,thus SRA gaara's sand control would also be enhanced several times too.gaara would be able to control the lower transformations for a while,when he cant anymore,he can then stop it,but by then,he would have made a lot of sand.
 
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