This manga has lost all sense of direction

Namikaze Haru

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Im a big fan of this manga, its the reason i love Wednesdays lol but kishi is really starting to troll us real hard.

1st of all. who is the actual antagonist? madara? obito? juubi?

i cannot see these people as antagonists. why?

antagonists usually have a goal to which they wish to fulfil, a goal that they are willing to bet their life on achieving that goal. both madara and obito have both forsaken a goal which has been their motive since madara's defection from konoha (leading to the creation of akatsuki and the declaration of the 4th war) in like 5 chapters.

both wished to become the jinchuuriki of the juubi and use its power to cast infinite tsukuyomi but who can see that happening now?

Obito

lets start with obito, ima say this, he has lost all his charisma ever since his mask was destroyed. i mean his motive for starting his downfall to evil was the death of a little girl who friend-zoned him and didn't recognise his feelings for her whatever. but even so, he was a formidable enemy and all his feats are impressive.

i mean chapter 594 when naruto trys to attack the mazou, obito incepts and declares his intent that he will not let him touch it.




but then in chapter 628 he abandons all this to settle things with kakashi



now you may say, "well duh of course hes gona settle things with kakashi". but heres my point. i predict the next time we see obito, hes problably gona be dead or will have fell victim to talk no jutsu and will have changed sides. but if its so easy for him to just abandon his goal, then why is he one of the main antagonists.

Madara

this guy went from badass to useless so quick its funny. its seems to me that his only goal is butt licking hashirama even though he was the one who started the whole infinite tsukuyomi project. i have never seen a main antagonist sit on the sideline so much. even obito was fighting before he left with kakashi while madara was just standing there throwing lame ass insults like "your useless" and "your about to be obliterated" and then upon seeing their survival, being like WDF.

now u can say 'yh but he owned the five kages' but that makes it worse. that means its not that he can't stomp them, he can but just isn't. no matter how weak you think your opponent is, as an antagonist, you are meant to destroy all who stand against you. and naruto an co are not even weak.

now the kages and sasuke arrive he then abandons everything, all motive whatsoever just to fight hashirama. he dosen't even acknowledge the other kages existence even after seeing minato make a juubi tbb disappear (that alone tells you the strength of the kages), im sorry but madara fails as an antagonist.

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the juubi is just a chakra monster that knows nothing but destruction so therefore cannot be seen as antagonist.

sasuke who for most of part 2 wants revenge and naruto wanting to save him from revenge is then wasted when the man who started him on his path to vengeance is also the the man who saves him (itachi saved him, not the kages, he wouldn't have gone to the kages if not for itachi)

sakura who has been completely useless since the sasori fight gets a sudden power boost.

im really hoping kishi pulls out something to make this manga special again and that we get a real antagonist before the end of the series. which bring me to orochimaru's absence. he is definitely up to something.
 

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No it has not lost !!

Can't you people wait for some other week ???

People logic : Dislike one chapter , insult the manga or quit it .

:devil:
 

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Perhaps it just needs one direction.
 

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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt and kishi turn to right direction
 

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The thing about the Mazo, he did protect it long enough for it to regenerate it into the Ten Tails, he didn't abandon it for Kakashi !
 

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I stopped reading when you claimed obito is evil because he was friend zoned by rin, because I don't want to read bullshit.
 

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juubi is the final vilain :shy:
 

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No it has not lost !!

Can't you people wait for some other week ???

People logic : Dislike one chapter , insult the manga or quit it .

:devil:
hmm.
Suppose, naruto dies in the next chapter, what would u do ?
 

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No it has not lost !!

Can't you people wait for some other week ???

People logic : Dislike one chapter , insult the manga or quit it .

:devil:

im not talking bout the latest chapter im talking about the series's main antagonists

The thing about the Mazo, he did protect it long enough for it to regenerate it into the Ten Tails, he didn't abandon it for Kakashi !

no your missing my point, look at his resolve and intent when he stopped naruto and look at him when he is talking to kakashi, its like he is trying to rediscover himself.

I agree with this. Hopefully it starts to sort itself out soon though.

i hope

I stopped reading when you claimed obito is evil because he was friend zoned by rin, because I don't want to read bullshit.

then read on and think before you refer to it as bullshit
 

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orochimaru will do something and kabuto will maybe be back. Madara aint finished yet nor is Obito ;)
Zetsu still has a place probably for something to happen with the other characters
someone will probably become jinchuriki for the juubi
 

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Hear me man I was going to think the same as you but dont say these things.I wanted to quit the manga because of the latest chapters and i felt like it still is awesome and as you said the juubi wishes destruction perhaps in it's final form he will be conscious and it will have a higher goal as for madara i am right with you till somewhere he really is only worrying about his fight with hashirama but he still is badass and dont tell me that if you would be able to fight with the one who is stronger than you and is your arc nemessis but now you have much more power to defeat him wouldn't you worry about that i think at this point madara is stronger than hashirama mark my words and obito just want's that goal so the story is hot at it climax so keep reading it may amaze you!!!!!:scorps:
 

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No it has not lost !!

Can't you people wait for some other week ???

People logic : Dislike one chapter , insult the manga or quit it .

:devil:

^this right here is the only correct answer.....
 

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juubi is the final vilain :shy:

lol good point, you could be right it, looks like i was wrong about the juubi, it will be between the juubi and orochimaru for final villain, orochimaru's absence is really suspicious
 

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orochimaru will do something and kabuto will maybe be back. Madara aint finished yet nor is Obito ;)
Zetsu still has a place probably for something to happen with the other characters
someone will probably become jinchuriki for the juubi

hopefully but its seems they dun seem to care about infinite tsukuyomi anymore. otherwise madara would not let anyone near the juubi

Hear me man I was going to think the same as you but dont say these things.I wanted to quit the manga because of the latest chapters and i felt like it still is awesome and as you said the juubi wishes destruction perhaps in it's final form he will be conscious and it will have a higher goal as for madara i am right with you till somewhere he really is only worrying about his fight with hashirama but he still is badass and dont tell me that if you would be able to fight with the one who is stronger than you and is your arc nemessis but now you have much more power to defeat him wouldn't you worry about that i think at this point madara is stronger than hashirama mark my words and obito just want's that goal so the story is hot at it climax so keep reading it may amaze you!!!!!:scorps:

yh but hashirama and the other kages are restricting the juubi and all madara cares about is hashirama? what about Infinite Tsukuyomi? wasn't that madara's goal?
 

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What the F*CK is Orochimaru doing? Can't wait for the next chapter :D
 

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This manga lost it's meaning the minute they tied Naruto to the 1st Hokage then stepped on the remains when they made him a descendant of the 4th.

The original message was hardwork outweighs natural talent. Now we find out our "hardworking" hero has some of the best lineage in the show and when added together he does have the best lineage. He's Senju, Namikaze and Uzumaki; the only comparable lineage would be someone who is Uchiha, Hyuuga and Sarutobi or something.
 

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I disagree about Madara. He does have a goal. That goal is to end reality and rule the world through genjutsu, after becoming the 10 tails Jinchuruki. Crushing the "Will of Fire" and Hashirama and finally ending his friendship is just a personal obsession. Even evil supervillains have personality flaws. Madara's is that he is a perfectionist bordering on OCD. It's more than wanting to defeat Hashirama, OP. He wants to crush the very founding idealism that represents people like Hashirama and remove it from the real world entirely.

While Obito is running away from reality and failing to own up to his personal failures, Madara is just intent on crapping all over the world. It's basically Project Buttmad. Why is he inactive? Naruto and Sasuke are fodder I'll repeat that for effect, next to Edo Madara basically everyone is absolutely fodder. Possibly even Hashirama. Madara is not attacking because he doesn't deem anyone on the battlefield of worthy of his attention except Hashi. He is honoring Hashi's promise to not fight because of the respect/obsession he has for Hashirama.

As for Orochimaru, agreed he is up to something. Everyone is saying he's headed to Tsunade. I totally disagree. I think he's going to get Kabuto out of the mind prison and will show up to snatch Sasuke or Madara's body in the end.
 

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I disagree about Madara. He does have a goal. That goal is to end reality and rule the world through genjutsu, after becoming the 10 tails Jinchuruki. Crushing the "Will of Fire" and Hashirama and finally ending his friendship is just a personal obsession. Even evil supervillains have personality flaws. Madara's is that he is a perfectionist bordering on OCD. It's more than wanting to defeat Hashirama, OP. He wants to crush the very founding idealism that represents people like Hashirama and remove it from the real world entirely.

While Obito is running away from reality and failing to own up to his personal failures, Madara is just intent on crapping all over the world. It's basically Project Buttmad. Why is he inactive? Naruto and Sasuke are fodder I'll repeat that for effect, next to Edo Madara basically everyone is absolutely fodder. Possibly even Hashirama. Madara is not attacking because he doesn't deem anyone on the battlefield of worthy of his attention except Hashi. He is honoring Hashi's promise to not fight because of the respect/obsession he has for Hashirama.

As for Orochimaru, agreed he is up to something. Everyone is saying he's headed to Tsunade. I totally disagree. I think he's going to get Kabuto out of the mind prison and will show up to snatch Sasuke or Madara's body in the end.

but that fodder is now handling the juubi while madara sits n waits for his fight with hashirama, dosen't he need the juubi for his genjutsu world
 

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Ugh, Kishi is just making most of it up as he goes. Sakura is perfect example. If he didn't do that, he had shown us her training with Tsunade waay back, then it would prove, that Kishi was planning this moment, but he hasn't.

But this is far from the only example... This said, the manga still has a brilliant plot, and part one was so brilliant and well made, that it accumulated a huge fan base, and people aren't gonna stop now.. Kishi once did it very very good, so he can do it again, maybe =D

Of course, if you compare to other big manga's, Naruto has less sense of direction than them. It seems so much more planned in other manga's - like Death Note or One Piece, they are just so well planned and built up. Same can be said for Fairy tail IMO. Bleach on the other hand has done it worse than Naruto on this matter IMO.

It's not that big a deal though, the potential built up in part 1 is huge, and it is still going, despite it isn't being used to its full potential.
 
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